Help with chart interp.

[Niplan]

So, if in the chart, Mercury forms an exact trine to pluto, crossing the 8th house, of occult, and the pluto in house 4 another mystical house, would obviously show someone who is prone to occultism.

Now, also, Venus forms a sextile to neptune in house, 6. (that means something but not here i think)

But venus is sextiled to neptune, sextiles coax and are things in the back of your mind, so venus is further removed, and becomes moreso broken into its primitive status, of lust and love, the ideal of passion since neptune glamorizes.

Mercury being conjunct to venus, would show someone who thinks about love/lust/desire.

Now since neptune has enchanced venus, it would stand to reason that its more lust and sexual then previously, since those are the ideals of venus.

venus being conjunct with the sun, and already affected by mercury would represent that person would show and want to be an object of lust and desire?


and since mercury forms a trine to pluto, that would mean someone whos prone to secrets, but since its trined, and mercury is affected by pluto, and its an exact trine, that would mean someone who is prone to sexual taboos, or fetishes, secrests of sex?

but that aspect is too far removed from the sun to affect what you show to the world. and being plutos trine to mercury would mean that you would keep the secret to your self anyways, because you are a keeper of secrets in a way?

now saturn and mars are exactly conjunct in house 5, sagitarius. this conjunction forms a square to mercury. almost eactly 89* would that stand to reason, that ... i have no clue...

but am i at least on the right track? Thanks for the help.

[astrologer50]

It be most helpful to ‘post’ their charts (rather than data), for others to comment on as we are all visual. For help on how to do this, go here http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

Astrological data are highly sensitive. Therefore ask you to take the protection of your personal data of third persons very seriously. If you wish to post your chart orthe chart of a person known to you, you must have their permission to do so or better still anonymize the name and all birth/personal data. If this is not the case, please refrain from posting this chart.

Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Saturn conj mars is a frustration aspect of doing ones duty in a cautious and constructive manner.
Neptune and venus aspects are not particularly lustful but over idealised, disillusioning, romantic, rose tinted glasses.
Mercury conj venus is someone who can articulate in sociable pleasant way, not someone who thinks about love/lust/desire.
Venus conj sun is quite special and suggests a rather gentle person inside and would not as you suggest seem to have Sex on the brain (I have this aspect along with mercury conj venus ) it would stand to reason that its more lust and sexual then previously, since those are the ideals of venus.

I also have mercury trine pluto

Mercury sextile or trine Pluto
You are very acute, analytical and individualistic. You always demonstrate great power of concentration and also a deep comprehension of abstract or philosophical subjects. It is probable that you exert a strong influence on others because of the sureness of your judgments and the ability to argue your case. Since childhood you have known what you wanted to study and you directed all your energies towards your professional accomplishments. In all likelihood, you are interested in studying human nature and are inclined towards psychology, psychiatry or medicine.

The trine aspect is the more dynamic of the two harmonious aspects. Those with the sextile can call upon these traits when needed, and those with the trine between the Mercury and Pluto have incorporated the traits of the aspect into their personalities, expressing them naturally and consistently.
Alternate interpretation: Your mind is deep and penetrating and you are interested in anything secret, mysterious, or hidden, including the deeper aspects of the human psyche. You possess an aptitude for private investigation, psychology and research work. You are also drawn to esoteric or occult studies.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/m...toaspects.html

If you intend to learn about astrology, you will need to begin with a natal chart, it need not necessarily be your own, but many choose to begin this way, in an effort to better understand their own life journey, and purpose. Astrological natal charts are as individual as a persons ‘fingerprints’ depending on where (latitude & longitude) and time of birth.It is important to get your *time of your birth* as this is the most important information.

Here are my personal recommend beginners links to focus upon Natal charts:-
I hope that you come here and want to learn about astrology and join in with exchanges. There ever expanding Education forum here and lots more to explore. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12556 http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com#continue
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natalastrology.html

House systems
Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_house_system#Equal_House
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
For further research try here...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3280&highlight=placidus+equal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=638&highlight=house+system


It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

considering you are 26 years old, who is this data concerning please? We really need to see the chart, as we are all visual.

[wilsontc]

Niplan,

You asked:

Originally Posted by Niplan

am i at least on the right track?

I couldn't create the chart, since I don't know where "Western, Maryland" is, but I think you are on the right track in your chart interpretation.

Tracking,

Tim

[Niplan]

i'm not 26.. here is a picture of the chart

i also realized i made a booboo, i had jupiter in 28 capricorn, not 28 aquarius.. now my chart looks even more bizzar.. sun, jupiter venus and mercury all within 15* and cusping two signs.

i think my brain is going to explode, I always make some simple error that messes it up.

however now i feel even more unique

can you also point me to the page that has info on why my IC was shifted, and why the houses are crossing signs? thanks.. i don't even know what thats called otherwise id find it myself. thank you!

[astrologer50]

Welcome,

So your 23years old with early Leo Ascendant and either studying or teaching yourself astrology using the default house system on astro of Placidus then....

This looks like your first attempt at interpreting your own chart and for some reason want to focus on your love life? or relationships perhaps? It's really not quite clear from your post, what you are asking or how you want others to respond....

Now IF your time of birth is correct using solar arcs your IC (home roots) moved 1' for each year of your birth which suggests age 21 there was a major transformation of your home roots, prob you moved out and started afresh.

Amongst other things, astrology is a wonderful tool for understanding yourself and others better.....enabling us to make better choices in life as we become aware of how our behaviour influences what happens to us through the law of cause and effect. Astrology does not reliably predict the future.......But it can provide an excellent insight into the psychological make-up of people, enabling us to accurately predict their behaviour and it's resultant effects

If you intend to learn about astrology, you will need to begin with a natal chart, it need not necessarily be your own, but many choose to begin this way, in an effort to better understand their own life journey, and purpose. Astrological natal charts are as individual as a persons ‘fingerprints’ depending on where (latitude & longitude) and time of birth.It is important to get your *time of your birth* as this is the most important information.

Here are my personal recommend beginners links to focus upon Natal charts:-
I hope that you come here and want to learn about astrology and join in with exchanges. There ever expanding Education forum here and lots more to explore. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12556 http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com#continue
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natalastrology.html

When you have a clear question you would like to discuss or people to comment on, pls respond

[Niplan]

Sorry I am just confused, Ive been studying occult "things" and decided to move onto astrology, I've only been deeply studying astrology for a month or so, but i've had the seeds sewn in my brain for at least a decade. (father bought an astrology book and I stole it and studied out of just that one book for a long time and it wasn't a great book either)

I'm not trying to focus on the "love life" i was trying to interperate the cluster of planets next to my sun, but I was doing it wrong since i miss placed Jupiter.

Yes I am trying to teach my self astrology but at this point I have so much info, I'm not sure what to do with it, and I'm afraid to inteperate things on the chart, because I can't really figure out what becomes what, and what energies are formed when planets interact.

I've figured out the basics, I think. But I feel like im missing something important, and I'm unable to figure out what it is.

Im not trying to be a pain, or trying to get free interp. I really am trying to learn this, I want to learn it, its like an obession full of secrets I can't unlock. Thank you for all the help so far.

What i understand is that
X = planet, Y = Position, Z = Anything that touches it, X comes defined, but y alters X, and Z Refines X after Y has touched it..

Do we interperate the chart in heiarchy? Planets first since they are physical manifestations, Signs second because they are were the planet lives, and then the aspects because they give the energy to the planet to drive stop, undermind or destroy the energy of that planet.

[wilsontc]

Niplan,

Originally Posted by Niplan

can you also point me to the page that has info on why my IC was shifted, and why the houses are crossing signs? thanks.. i don't even know what thats called otherwise id find it myself. thank you!

You have used the default Placidus system on astro.com which has unequal-sized houses. So some houses are bigger than others. The result is your IC isn't at the bottom of your chart as you look at it, but a little to the left. In addition, because of the unequal size of the charts, some signs in the zodiac are not shown on your house cusps and some signs are listed twice. For example, your 1rst house cusp and your 2nd house cusp are :Leo:, and you have no house cusp in . This results in "duplicated signs" and "intercepted houses": your 1rst and 2nd house have "duplicated signs" and your 12th and 6th houses are "intercepted" because the entire sign of and are contained in the house.

Explaining the basics,

Tim

[wilsontc]

Niplan,

Originally Posted by Niplan

can you also point me to the page that has info on why my IC was shifted, and why the houses are crossing signs? thanks.. i don't even know what thats called otherwise id find it myself. thank you!

You have used the default Placidus system on astro.com which has unequal-sized houses. So some houses are bigger than others. The result is your IC isn't at the bottom of your chart as you look at it, but a little to the left. In addition, because of the unequal size of the charts, some signs in the zodiac are not shown on your house cusps and some signs are listed twice. For example, your 1rst house cusp and your 2nd house cusp are :Leo:, and you have no house cusp in . This results in "duplicated signs" and "intercepted houses": your 1rst and 2nd house have "duplicated signs" and your 12th and 6th houses are "intercepted" because the entire sign of and are contained in these houses.

Explaining the basics,

Tim

[astrologer50]

Three most important things in natal chart (in my opinion) are Sun, Moon and Asc sign. Planets is signs modifies that planets energies, houses are where you express those energies and how that planet is 'aspected' as explained earlier are 'facets' of your personality.....

Unfortunately, there is no substitute for study and research. astrology to me is a combintion of science and art, so enjoy the journey of self discovery.

With Equal house you don't get intercepted signs or duplicated houses

[Kwabena]

Wow Niplan - Your Sun sign opposing your Rising sign...How does it feel to have such a placement, where your Sun sign is in opposition to your Rising sign?

I especially ask this because I personally am not very familiar with how Leo complements Aquarius, and vice versa.

KWABENA

[wilsontc]

Niplan,

You said:

Originally Posted by Niplan

I've figured out the basics, I think. But I feel like im missing something important, and I'm unable to figure out what it is...
What i understand is that
X = planet, Y = Position, Z = Anything that touches it, X comes defined, but y alters X, and Z Refines X after Y has touched it..

Do we interperate the chart in heiarchy? Planets first since they are physical manifestations, Signs second because they are were the planet lives, and then the aspects because they give the energy to the planet to drive stop, undermind or destroy the energy of that planet.

I find this all much easier if you use the "astro-sentence" (see Step 5 in the link below this post for more about the "astro-sentence" of SIGN modifies PLANET focused on house. This "astro-sentence" makes it clear how the signs, planets, and houses fit together in an astrological chart. I have also found it MUCH easier to at first limit interpretation to 12 "keywords" (also in Step 5) which are used for the signs, planets, and houses. After the "astro-sentence" is complete, then you can use alternate "keywords" (see link at bottom of Step 5) to expand your "sentence". Then you are ready to translate the "astro-sentence" into a regular sentence.

Step by step,

Tim

[Niplan]

Originally Posted by Kwabena

Wow Niplan - Your Sun sign opposing your Rising sign...How does it feel to have such a placement, where your Sun sign is in opposition to your Rising sign?

I especially ask this because I personally am not very familiar with how Leo complements Aquarius, and vice versa.

KWABENA

thanks for all the help everyone!

I couldn't tell you how it feels, I just feel like me, Constantly looking for something to satisfy my self.
Ill find a hobby and get bored with it quickly as well as women, and places.
but most times i just leave things as well enough alone, the grass isn't greener anywhere else, then where you can make it your self.

I get Great jumps of premonition often, or ill think of something and ill find the awnser in an unexpected place a day or so later.

It often seems like im walking in a myst between worlds, and inside my mind is a vast chasm of nothing and empty space where i can do anything and constantly change everything.

alot of times i feel dissociated with the people around me, and in the places im in, however i can instantly get into someones head, or assume their motivations and be proven right weeks or days later.

but thats just the first things that poped into my mind when i read that question, i often feel like i ask people questions, and hope that prompts them to ask something in return so that way i may have the chance to improve on their opinion or learn more about them.

Psychology I can sometimes see as a weapon to be used. its actualy in my opinion the best weapon one can have, for even if your enemy has a real weapon, if your inside their head you are stronger then them. Often ill puff out my chest and suck in my gut when i feel bad about how i look and it makes me feel better. If im told i can't do something, because im not qualified or not trained i get mad and work 5 times as hard to do that task to show them wrong.

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I think my missing link is the house system I read a bit on the temple house system and it poked my interest.

[Kwabena]

Hey Niplan:

Being that I am a Sag who trines Leo and sextiles Aquarius, you would know that could relate to many of your views very well. That goes without saying I myself have a Moon-Leo in the 11th House (natural ruler Aquarius) and Jupiter-Aquarius in the 5th House (natural ruler Leo), so I have my "experience with the opposites" as well. Yes it is true that the Moon opposes Jupiter and that has its hardships, but I look on the bright side (Sun-Sag), and acknowledge what Jupiter-Aquarius in the 5th gives me. No matter what my relationship status with women and friends (11H), nothing makes me happier than what I do and bring to the lives of children around the world (5H). In all actuality, the actions speak for the words.

As to the remainder of your post, that was a very good description of someone with said placements. It seemed that you started out with the 'Aquarian' in you, then finished with the Leo in you. I especially liked the following parts:

I just feel like me, Constantly looking for something to satisfy my self.
Ill find a hobby and get bored with it quickly as well as women, and places.

I consider myself to be one of the most 'mutable' people I know. Not that I get bored quickly, but I certainly move on to other things faster than I recognize. As much as I love and respect, I wish I knew more free-spirited and independence-seeking ladies. Most of the women I know are far too social and conforming. I like the rebellious ones who like to think for themselves, and enjoy the pursuit of knowledge. In reality, anything outside of engaging in something new will cause me to walk away.

and...

Often ill puff out my chest and suck in my gut when i feel bad about how i look and it makes me feel better. If im told i can't do something, because im not qualified or not trained i get mad and work 5 times as hard to do that task to show them wrong.

As a Moon-Leo native, I could not have said it better. I am not pleased when I am told I can not do something, and put forth all the effort I have not to get it done, but to prove to the person I am capable of doing it. Afterward, I do not expect that person to say anything else to me along the lines of being incapable to do something. Now true, I am not always 100% successful with this, but much of the time I get the benefit of the doubt.

Great post, Niplan!

KWABENA