Unaspected Sun?

[lissyloulou]

Unaspected Sun

My Sun is in Libra and possibly in the 2nd house (I do not have exact time of birth)

My Sun does not make any major aspects to other planets. It does not trine, conj, oppose or sextile any planets. It does however trine the MC. It also makes lesser aspects to Venus, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, Chiron and the Ac. In these instances I am talking semi-square, bi=quintile, inconjunct and semi-sextile.

Would this mean my Sun is unaspected or do the minor aspects count also? I am a little confused in this area.

Thank you.

[wilsontc]

lissy,

You asked:

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

Unaspected Sun...My Sun does not make any major aspects to other planets. It does not trine, conj, oppose or sextile any planets...Would this mean my Sun is unaspected or do the minor aspects count also?

Yes, this means your is unaspected since it makes no major aspects to your planets.

Agreeing,

Tim

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

lissy,

You asked:


Yes, this means your is unaspected since it makes no major aspects to your planets.

Agreeing,

Tim

Wow that was quick, thank you Tim.

I did look into this briefly but now I'm going to see if I can find out some more now you have confirmed what I was supposing.

[amzolt]

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

Would this mean my Sun is unaspected or do the minor aspects count also?

The "minor" aspects definitely count. I would not say your Sun is unaspected.

Many astrologers don't use what are called "minor" aspects. But, just because they don't use them doesn't really make them minor.

Check out this article on the 36 Cyclic Aspects and you'll see that all the aspects are important...

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by amzolt

The "minor" aspects definitely count. I would not say your Sun is unaspected.

Many astrologers don't use what are called "minor" aspects. But, just because they don't use them doesn't really make them minor.

Check out this article on the 36 Cyclic Aspects and you'll see that all the aspects are important...

Wow that takes some reading, thank you. I've gone through it twice and I've now got a picture of the wheel and these aspects waxing in the first 180deg and waning as you come back through the last 180deg.

I need to spend some time reading each entry for the 36 different aspects and to try and absorb this more. I will no doubt be back with questions.

[amzolt]

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

I've gone through it twice and I've now got a picture of the wheel and these aspects
I will no doubt be back with questions.

Wow! You seem very dedicated! Bravo!!

[Awakened_Pisces]

They should count. Quintiles in particular, seem to refer to the talent capabilities of the person incarnated into this life. Plus, with a trine to the MH. That has to most definately count for something.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Confusedpisces

They should count. Quintiles in particular, seem to refer to the talent capabilities of the person incarnated into this life. Plus, with a trine to the MH. That has to most definately count for something.

No-one is denying that the minor aspects `count' - quintiles, semisextiles, semisquares - they all count.

It's just that in relation to unaspected planets, they do not come into consideration.

I know of 2 women - one aged 40, the other 32 - who each have unaspected suns, even though they form one or two minor aspects. Without major aspects, their suns struggle for clear expression, and both these women tend towards bossiness, even an overly controlling manner with others. What gives the game away is that neither are particularly aware of how others perceive them, even when they are told. Both seem quite content with their expression of the sun, and both seem very Leo-like when around others, in that they assume their role will be one of leadership.

Queen Elizabeth of England has an unaspected sun early in Taurus, even though it is conjunct her MC. Her focus for all that sun energy is her `career' - which is something she did not consciously choose. In some ways she benefits from having an unaspected sun, as a forceful and unique expression of the sun is appropriate for a monarch of her generation.

[amzolt]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

No-one is denying that the minor aspects `count' - quintiles, semisextiles, semisquares - they all count.

It's just that in relation to unaspected planets, they do not come into consideration.

If they "count", why call a planet with one of these aspects "unaspected"? And, why do you think they should not "come into consideration"?

Just one example of a "minor" aspect that is tremendously strong: think Sesquiquadrate...

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

Unaspected Sun

My Sun is in Libra and possibly in the 2nd house (I do not have exact time of birth)

My Sun does not make any major aspects to other planets. It does not trine, conj, oppose or sextile any planets. It does however trine the MC. It also makes lesser aspects to Venus, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, Chiron and the Ac. In these instances I am talking semi-square, bi=quintile, inconjunct and semi-sextile.

Would this mean my Sun is unaspected or do the minor aspects count also? I am a little confused in this area.

Thank you.

In this instance I feel your sun is not unaspected cos the inconjunct (in my eyes) is a major aspect and Trine to MC gives and easy empathy expression of the sun's energies...

[gaer]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

In this instance I feel your sun is not unaspected cos the inconjunct (in my eyes) is a major aspect and Trine to MC gives and easy empathy expression of the sun's energies...

But the birth time is not known, so aspects to things like the MC can't be calculated without more information.

As for the Sun being inconjunct another planet, how do we know that it is?

[katydid]

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

Unaspected Sun

My Sun is in Libra and possibly in the 2nd house (I do not have exact time of birth)

My Sun does not make any major aspects to other planets. It does not trine, conj, oppose or sextile any planets. It does however trine the MC. It also makes lesser aspects to Venus, Mars, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, Chiron and the Ac. In these instances I am talking semi-square, bi=quintile, inconjunct and semi-sextile.

Would this mean my Sun is unaspected or do the minor aspects count also? I am a little confused in this area.

Thank you.

I have read everyones replies and I can see the point that both sides make. Yes, by definition, your Sun could be construed as 'unaspected.' However it does make minor aspects to 6 planets, plus Chiron, and perhaps the angles as well. So, imo, it will not have the same difficulties in connecting that a true unaspected Sun mght have. I have seen unaspected planets with only 1 or 2 minor aspects, and they have a real hard time expressing their energies. I would need to see the chrt to know more about how your Sun behaves however.

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

No-one is denying that the minor aspects `count' - quintiles, semisextiles, semisquares - they all count.

It's just that in relation to unaspected planets, they do not come into consideration.

I know of 2 women - one aged 40, the other 32 - who each have unaspected suns, even though they form one or two minor aspects. Without major aspects, their suns struggle for clear expression, and both these women tend towards bossiness, even an overly controlling manner with others. What gives the game away is that neither are particularly aware of how others perceive them, even when they are told. Both seem quite content with their expression of the sun, and both seem very Leo-like when around others, in that they assume their role will be one of leadership.

Queen Elizabeth of England has an unaspected sun early in Taurus, even though it is conjunct her MC. Her focus for all that sun energy is her `career' - which is something she did not consciously choose. In some ways she benefits from having an unaspected sun, as a forceful and unique expression of the sun is appropriate for a monarch of her generation.

I would most certainly say this doesn't apply to me. I'm probably one of the least bossy people you are likely to meet. Unless as like you mention above, I also have this trait but don't realise it. But I'm pretty sure I'm not.

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by amzolt

If they "count", why call a planet with one of these aspects "unaspected"? And, why do you think they should not "come into consideration"?

Just one example of a "minor" aspect that is tremendously strong: think Sesquiquadrate...

I need to find out more about these minor aspects. As I really don't know anything about them. I've read your piece again amzolt which is really interesting, but some of the names are different I believe. There is no semi-square mentioned there or the inconjunct. They must be known under different names?

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by gaer

But the birth time is not known, so aspects to things like the MC can't be calculated without more information.

As for the Sun being inconjunct another planet, how do we know that it is?

Hi gaer, regarding the birth time, it is something I have attempted to uncover all my life. I was adopted after my mother died from complications from childbirth.
I managed to track a neighbour down who knew my birth family well and she recalled that I was born in the early hours of the morning at home because they'd all gone to bed and she was called in to help my mother and this was all before it got light. That was the nearest I could find out. From this I took my details to a professional astrologer who recitified my chart. I believe there was only a choice of two ascendants, Leo or Virgo and Virgo is very much more me. She also ascertained that the circumstances surrounding my birth would put Pluto/Uranus conj the Asc all exact with birth time 4:25am. I am very happy with my Virgo ascendant, but Pluto/Uranus conj asc does not really seem me. I am not a controlling volatile person which that aspect would suggest. So the Virgo asc part of me is never quite satisfied. The lady I consulted was still pretty convinced though and said it was backed up by a Jupiter transit at the time of my second daughter's birth. Not sure exactly what that was, but I do have it written down somewhere.

So Sun Trine MC, I suppose that could still be possible if you adjusted the time slightly?

[lissyloulou]

Originally Posted by katydid

I have read everyones replies and I can see the point that both sides make. Yes, by definition, your Sun could be construed as 'unaspected.' However it does make minor aspects to 6 planets, plus Chiron, and perhaps the angles as well. So, imo, it will not have the same difficulties in connecting that a true unaspected Sun mght have. I have seen unaspected planets with only 1 or 2 minor aspects, and they have a real hard time expressing their energies. I would need to see the chrt to know more about how your Sun behaves however.

Katy I will try to post a chart later on when I have finished work.

[amzolt]

Originally Posted by lissyloulou

I need to find out more about these minor aspects. As I really don't know anything about them. I've read your piece again amzolt which is really interesting, but some of the names are different I believe. There is no semi-square mentioned there or the inconjunct. They must be known under different names?

Semisquare = Octile and Inconjunct = Quincunx

Also, TriOctile = Sesquiquadrate

[lissyloulou]

I have attached my chart for a closer look at the Sun. Thank you.