Karmic relationship with parent?

[Tarion]

Hi! I was wondering if anyone has noticed strong karmic aspects with their parents? Apperently this is quite common, as true soulmates often live through different types of relationships, not only as lovers. I have only my parents charts to compare with, but what I find is quite interesting (I think):

My ruling planet, venus in my first house, in taurus 28°24 is exactly conjunct my mothers south node at taurus 28°37. In addition my north node is in leo at 28°28! Our nodes are in exact squares, although I'm not sure what this implies.. Add my leo mars 25°58 and my scorpion uranus at 25°06 and her scorpion moon at 27°59 and you get quite interesting synastry!

I have a very good relationship with my mother, although I sometimes feel that she is somewhat "draining", that I have outgrown her, which I guess can be the feeling of my venus on her south node. That our composite south node also is conjunct my sun with one degree orb might also contribute to this.

Since I belive in reincarnation, I definetly think that my mother and I have been together in another life, perhaps as lovers. But I have a feeling that it wasn't an easy or happy ending romance, since I was born with such a strong focus and hard aspects involving relationships (T-square with venus opposite 7th house uranus, both square mars and north node) and the square between mine and her nordal axis. She, on the other hand, has no such issues.. born with venus trine mars for example, and moon conjunct north node, indicating favorable karmic influence.

Any thoughts on this? I think I have to try to work through my relationship issues in this lifetime in order to "get to" my north node, but this isn't all that easy. At least it would be interesting to know what might be the cause of it if we have been together in another life, but I guess that may be a bit difficult!

[Arian Maverick]

First of all, welcome to the forums!

Although I have access to both of my parents' birth certificates, I have not yet been able to gather their exact birth times due to the exclusion of this vital information from our records. Yet despite this obvious setback, I am beginning to suspect that my mother may be my twin flame.

In astrological terms, my mother has has a Libra/Scorpio stellium consisting of her natal Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Neptune, while I have an Aries stellium consisting of these same planets excluding Mars and Neptune. Our natal Mercuries are literally minutes away from forming an exact an opposition--mine is located at 16 Aries 35'52" and hers is located at 16 Libra 37'49". My brother also shares strong Mercurial connections with us, as his natal Mercury is only minutes away from forming an exact conjunction with mine at 16 Aries 8'43."

This is a very interesting thread!

Arian Maverick

[EvilPixyScorp]

Yes, I think me & mom have a Karmic link, for better or worse.

I always thought in some life, I was *her* Mother, or
older sister. It's lead to some codependency, her treating
me as a "best bud" rather than disciplinarian.


Her Scorp Venus, conjunct my S.N.
My Saturn conj. her ASC, again, I feel like I have
to teach her lots about not being so trusting/dreamy.

My Cap Jupiter, conjunct her N.N.
I did introduce her to the love of her life last year,
which caused a *huge* expansion in her self-expression,
confidence.

OT- My sister's Venus ALSO conj. my S.N.
I was always jealous how it seemed she favored sis, maybe
they are the karmic sisters?
Maybe I "drain" them subconsciously, like your mother does to you?

How about Dad?
His Merc is critical- 29 Sag. & conj. my ASC.
Yes his sudden, abrupt & unstable mentality has
effected me deeply. Overpowering craziness, I can't be around
his too long...it makes me aggitated.
His Venus conj. my Uranus in 12H
His Sun conj. my Mars, and his Lilith opp. my Mars.
That worries me a bit, Lilith representing taboos/dark lies,
in Cancer(home values) no less!
He was verbally abusive, and codependent.

[Tarion]

Thanks for the welcome Arian!

EvilPixyScorp, I think it's very interesting that both your mother and your sisters venus's are conjunct your south node! And what you are writing with regards to your mother I think resonnates well with the following (taken from http://www.astroresources.com/oct99.htm#quotes):

"The Moon's node are an imperative consideration in analyzing our soul's intent for this lifetime. When another person's planets aspect our nodal axis, and especially in the situation of the conjunction and opposition, that person is in some way involved with the *work* we intended to do this lifetime. Conjunctions to the South Node represent unfinished business between two souls. The conjunctions to the North Node indicate that the person has a key role to play in the fulfillment of our destiny this lifetime. The planet involved and the sign and house of the conjunction provide clues as to what type of role that is."

I think a conjunction of one family member's venus to another family member's south node suggest past life experience involving rather powerful love. If the aspects involved are hard (as in me and my mothers case) I think it might be that these two souls in some way got separated (by death, other commitments etc) or their love was not possible in the last life. Perhaps they then meet again to love each other and finish what they started, and then move on.

I must admit that when I was younger and realised all the things involved in a healthy romantic relationship (like my parents), I got extremly angry with my dad! Childish of course and I can imagine a case for Mr. Freud himself, but later I've always wondered why on earth I reacted so strongly (these feelings are long gone, of course!). My soul realising that it is not that kind of a relationship we are supposed to have now and letting go? Or something else, who knows.. :roll:

[Elianah]

For me, my mother's ASC iis 1° of exact conjunction to my ASC in separating aspect and her Mercury is 2° of applying conjunction to my ASC. Since we are 1° different in the ASC, we share the same Vertex and MC within 1°. This brings her 9th house Jupiter/Moon conjunction to conjunct my MC as well as hers.

My father's ASC is within 2 minutes of being exactly conjunct with my Sun. His NN is conjunct with my Vesta-Venus. His Saturn is within 1 minute of being exactly trined my Sun, his Moon sits between my Moon-Saturn conjunction and his Mercury/Vertex conjunction is within 1° separating conjunction of my Saturn, and his Chiron is in a 1° separating conjunction with my SN.

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[sam]

My mother's Jupiter is conjunct my Mars, and my Mars is conjunct her Jupiter. My grandmother's Jupiter is conjunct my mother's Mars as well. I dunno what that all means, but it's pretty weird.

[EvilPixyScorp]

Tarion~

Gracias on that link!

I too was shocked when I saw BOTH of them had
their Venus conj. my SN, what are the odds of that?
But than again, they are both Libras born a few days apart, and
Venus follows the Sun closely.
It's not a wide orb either, 1 degrees or less.

You think since they touch my South Node,
representing the past, I'd feel more comfortable with them instead of constant fighting.
I honestly feel I was VERY masculine in my last life,
even a sexist, treated women badly, etc...
and my tension with them(and all females)/South Node Venus connection
shows just how strong I reacted to feminine energy.

[mooninthe12th]

my daughter and I share eery synastry. My sun is in capricorn and her sun is in her 10th house. Her sun is in Taurus and my sun falls in my second house. Her moon is in pisces. My moon falls in my 12th house. My moon is in sagitarius and her moon falls in her 9th house. My venus is in aquarius and her venus is in her 11th house.

[Lapis]

The primary people we have 'karmic'/intense/painful/difficult/life changing/learning and growing interactions with are our blood family! Like it or not.....

Secondly are our relationships with lovers or the opposite sex. These 2 main groups of people are the ways and means for us to really learn all the hard and painful karmic things in our lives. We tolerate shite from our blood family we'd NEVER sit still for from ANY other person! Not because they're 'right' but because of the karmic energies and learnings trying to get worked out (or not) between everyone in that blood-family group.

The natal comparisons I've done between my chart and other blood family members always leaves me in a numbed and dizzy mental state! The connections and interplay and opposites just amaze me. The intricate timing it took for everyone to incarnate at exactly the time they each did to create this larger group family 'chart' or energy interplay........... wow!

[Arian Maverick]

I'm amazed at the synastry connects between the natal charts of my immediate family, especially those involving the planet Mercury:

Beth: 16 Aries 30'49"
Shawn: 16 Aries 8'43"
Mom: 16 Libra 37'49"

The odds must be astronomical--pun intended!

Arian Maverick

[Francesca]

Although I have not yet compared these charts, we have three "double birthdays" in our family: Daughter born on father's BD,grandson born on grandmother's BD, two sisters born on the same BD. It must mean something karmic, don't you think?

[Arian Maverick]

Ah yes, this phenomenon has occured in my family as well; I was born on my maternal uncle's birthday and my eldest cousin was born on my paternal aunt's birthday!

Arian Maverick

[Missa]

Interesting subject. I lost my father this spring, and I have lately started to look at our charts to find if there are any karmic connections. We have always had this weird "connection" since I was a little kid, and sometimes I've felt he is the only person who can understand me. My parents divorced when I was quite young, so the relationship with my father got somewhat more distant after that, but the "connection" was never really gone.I have Sun opposition Moon (orb 0°13) and Saturn in 4th house as a singleton (the only aspect it makes is the opposition to Midheaven) so I guess it was expected.

Anyway - I have Pluto, South Node and IC in Scorpio conjunct his Moon and Saturn in Scorpio. I also have my Saturn in Scorpio conjunct his Mars in Scorpio. I assume that especially the South Node-Saturn conjunction is quite significant because the orb is pretty small (1 degree). I also have Vertex in Aquarius conjunct his Venus and Sun (and apparently Pholus too), and Jupiter in Aquarius conjunct his Venus, Sun and Mercury.

Does anyone have any idea if there is some karmic past or what this could mean? I'd appreciate any help with the subject.

[archergirl]

With so many conjunctions it is highly likely you and your father have known each other in several past lives. The South Node/Saturn-Moon aspects certainly speak of shared past lifetimes, possibly with one of you having a debt to pay to the other or a past relationship of heavy mutual responsibility. It may be that he was possibly your *mother* in a past life (Moon aspect), hence the strong feeling of connection. I am sorry for your loss, and have every sympathy. My grandmother is dying, and she and I have a very connected chart, with our respective Saturns and Jupiters conjunct, her Mercury conj my Sun and my Sun conj her Venus. Needless to say it's a very close and loving (sometimes contentious) relationship, rock solid, and I will miss her dreadfully when she passes on.

[Cassie Priam]

There are several ways to get karmic info about parents and family.

In your natal chart look at the 4/10 axis, that is the parent axis. You can also look at the IC. And H3 is going to give you sib karma. You are also going to be looking at sun and moon placement. (Sun is Dad, Moon is Mom. But actually I have found it is more about the kind of relationship than gender.)

You can also do a synastry chart if you have your parent's birth time. Double whammies between inner and outer planets are the most indicative of past life interaction and soul mate type connections.

[pisceskitty]

Me: Born March 11th 1973@ 8:26 pm, New York, Ny
My son: Born June 18th 1998 @ 2:49 pm, Fort hood, TX.

I would love some insight on my relationship with my little...well tall beloved! ha, ha. My son has often felt more like an older brother than my child.