What does my solar return for 2009 mean

[Effie]

Originally Posted by bluemascara

jupiter on the midheaven or a sun aspect, even a hard one,to the midheaven give popularity and put you in front of the public. A strong eleventh house with positive aspects would make one popular with his peers i think.

Hi, if Neptune is involved in this Jupiter-Midheaven conjunction does it mean negative popularity and defamation? My solar return for 2009 has Jupiter conjuncting Neptune, Midheaven, Chiron, Part of Fortune all in Aquarius within 1 or 2 degress -hence, very close conjunction. And Uranus conjuncts Venus and Mars. Does that mean that I will be involved in an accident and Jupiter will act as a "protector" being so prominent, or does that mean negative fame and defamation of character because Neptune is involved and that I should be extra careful? Did I mention the moon-pluto conjunction?

Bottom Line: I am very worried for this SR!

Thanks!

[cassanra]

I have something similar but the moon is up there too Yikes
I have first the solar north node conjunct MC, them the moon 23, Chiron 26, Neptune 26, then Jupiter 27. Jupiter is within minutes of 11th house. All of this trines the sun in the second....I have no idea what this means! And I have natal chiron at 27 degree Aquarius!! I suspect this stellium will be showing up in a bunch of solar charts. My birthday is in June. I go to my progressed chart and I see the progressed moon trine natal jupiter....does this correlate?
Lets break this down....
maybe we can look at first how these planets connect to the natal planets?
We also want to look at the natal relationships of these planet.
So (sense you have not posted your chart ) I have Natal Chiron square natal jupiter (this is bad) but I have natal chiron trine natal neptune (this is good) and I have natal moon and natal jupiter in sextile (this is good)...this is all taking place in solar 10th BUT the solar 10th covers my solar 12 okay. hmmmmm
something from my 12th such secrets, things hidden to me, hospitalizations..will be in the public, affect reputation and a private wound will be expanded but it will be something I dream about or well dissolve boundaries and my emotions or my mother or women will be connected to this. And it will have a positive effect on my ego?
So you have to look at the natal relationships and the houses that used to occupy where the stellium is...in both cases of
venus and mars are together again for me (without Uranus thank goodness) and they are in the solar 12th no less (will I have a secret affair or will a couple I know end up in the hospital and venus and mars are together in my natal chart so this will be significant for this aspect. This conjunction is found in natal first...I don't know!
I think you have to break it down....
Can you post your chart

[katydid]

My Daughters 17th birthday is May 21st. The Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune will fall in her 2nd house of her solar return, and they will all be in the same degree, almost an exact 3 way conjunction. Wow.

[katydid]

Originally Posted by Effie

Hi, if Neptune is involved in this Jupiter-Midheaven conjunction does it mean negative popularity and defamation? My solar return for 2009 has Jupiter conjuncting Neptune, Midheaven, Chiron, Part of Fortune all in Aquarius within 1 or 2 degress -hence, very close conjunction. And Uranus conjuncts Venus and Mars. Does that mean that I will be involved in an accident and Jupiter will act as a "protector" being so prominent, or does that mean negative fame and defamation of character because Neptune is involved and that I should be extra careful? Did I mention the moon-pluto conjunction?

Bottom Line: I am very worried for this SR!

Thanks!

I think Jupiter/Neptune is a pretty positive conjunction , even in Aquarius.
Chiron will certainly take it to the next level, but in my heart it feels like an overall positive and higher vibratory experience.

Do you also have Pluto conjunct your moon right now? Because I do, exact as we speak.

[Effie]

Originally Posted by cassanra

I have something similar but the moon is up there too Yikes
I have first the solar north node conjunct MC, them the moon 23, Chiron 26, Neptune 26, then Jupiter 27. Jupiter is within minutes of 11th house. All of this trines the sun in the second....I have no idea what this means! And I have natal chiron at 27 degree Aquarius!! I suspect this stellium will be showing up in a bunch of solar charts. My birthday is in June. I go to my progressed chart and I see the progressed moon trine natal jupiter....does this correlate?
Lets break this down....
maybe we can look at first how these planets connect to the natal planets?
We also want to look at the natal relationships of these planet.
So (sense you have not posted your chart ) I have Natal Chiron square natal jupiter (this is bad) but I have natal chiron trine natal neptune (this is good) and I have natal moon and natal jupiter in sextile (this is good)...this is all taking place in solar 10th BUT the solar 10th covers my solar 12 okay. hmmmmm
something from my 12th such secrets, things hidden to me, hospitalizations..will be in the public, affect reputation and a private wound will be expanded but it will be something I dream about or well dissolve boundaries and my emotions or my mother or women will be connected to this. And it will have a positive effect on my ego?
So you have to look at the natal relationships and the houses that used to occupy where the stellium is...in both cases of
venus and mars are together again for me (without Uranus thank goodness) and they are in the solar 12th no less (will I have a secret affair or will a couple I know end up in the hospital and venus and mars are together in my natal chart so this will be significant for this aspect. This conjunction is found in natal first...I don't know!
I think you have to break it down....
Can you post your chart

Hi Cassanra, thanks for your reply.

Here's my natal:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

Obviously, I have the Mars-Venus, and MC in my case, conjunction in my natal too, like you, and in my progressed.

Here's my Solar Return Chart for 2009:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

And here's the Natal and SR Charts combined. If you click on the 'View the additional tables (PDF)' on the top left, you can also see the table of the natal with SR aspects. SR ascendant is also conjucting MC! What the heck? You will see me on the red carpet in the Oscars next year? Or I will have an accident? Usually Jupiter is so prominent in SR when there is an accident and Jupiter acts as a "protector" in the general misfortune of the individual for this year.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

If Neptune wasn't involved in this frency of MC conjunctions (even my part of fortune is involved!) and Mars didn't conjunct Uranus, and Moon didn't conjunct Pluto (major life transformation), I wouldn't worry. On the contrary, I would say that most probably this will be a major year for professional advancement. But, this is the obvious, superficial explanation that most people give simply because we are taught that Jupiter means "good luck."

Any insight would be greatly appreciated it! This Neptune right on the MC really worries me that it will bring professional failure and disillusionments...What the heck? Superiors will gossip about me and defamate my character?

Many thanks.

[Effie]

Originally Posted by Effie

Hi Cassanra, thanks for your reply.

Here's my natal:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

Obviously, I have the Mars-Venus, and MC in my case, conjunction in my natal too, like you, and in my progressed.

Here's my Solar Return Chart for 2009:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

And here's the Natal and SR Charts combined. If you click on the 'View the additional tables (PDF)' on the top left, you can also see the table of the natal with SR aspects. SR ascendant is also conjucting MC! What the heck? You will see me on the red carpet in the Oscars next year? Or I will have an accident? Usually Jupiter is so prominent in SR when there is an accident and Jupiter acts as a "protector" in the general misfortune of the individual for this year.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?c...9&node=-Yn&ast=

If Neptune wasn't involved in this frency of MC conjunctions (even my part of fortune is involved!) and Mars didn't conjunct Uranus, and Moon didn't conjunct Pluto (major life transformation), I wouldn't worry. On the contrary, I would say that most probably this will be a major year for professional advancement. But, this is the obvious, superficial explanation that most people give simply because we are taught that Jupiter means "good luck."

Any insight would be greatly appreciated it! This Neptune right on the MC really worries me that it will bring professional failure and disillusionments...What the heck? Superiors will gossip about me and defamate my character?

Many thanks.

Sorry, did I stress enough that Chiron (the wounded healer) conjuncts Neptune, Part of Fortune, Jupiter, MC???? Someone please tell me if this denotes an accident...

Thanks.

[Effie]

Originally Posted by katydid

I think Jupiter/Neptune is a pretty positive conjunction , even in Aquarius.
Chiron will certainly take it to the next level, but in my heart it feels like an overall positive and higher vibratory experience.

Do you also have Pluto conjunct your moon right now? Because I do, exact as we speak.

Hi, thanks for your response. Yes, Moon is conjuncting Pluto both in the SR chart and in the progressed chart. Also the SR Ascendant conjuncts natal venus, mars, and MC while SR venus, mars and uranus conjunct natal DC. Natal Vertex conjuncts SR Jupiter, and natal Jupiter conjuncts SR Pluto....I don't know what to make out of this SR this year. What the heck should I get prepared for? I know that I have already started being extra careful because of the Mars-Uranus conjunction, but, I mean, what the heck? I cannot drive myself crazy for the rest of the year and never feel relaxed!

Thanks.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Effie

What the heck should I get prepared for? I know that I have already started being extra careful because of the Mars-Uranus conjunction, but, I mean, what the heck? I cannot drive myself crazy for the rest of the year and never feel relaxed!

Wise words, Effie. I often think that the best `preparation' is to check out your solar R chart, absorb it, freak out a bit, then put it aside and live your life. Then when something happens, go back to it for answers. Perhaps I'm a cynic......

As I see your SR chart, the whole lot is being run by Saturn in the 4th house in Virgo - it's the handle of what essentially is a bucket-shaped chart, and so the whole planetary energy of this chart will be channeled through Saturn. This looks as though there will be work to be done around home.

[Effie]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

Wise words, Effie. I often think that the best `preparation' is to check out your solar R chart, absorb it, freak out a bit, then put it aside and live your life. Then when something happens, go back to it for answers. Perhaps I'm a cynic......

As I see your SR chart, the whole lot is being run by Saturn in the 4th house in Virgo - it's the handle of what essentially is a bucket-shaped chart, and so the whole planetary energy of this chart will be channeled through Saturn. This looks as though there will be work to be done around home.

Oh man, now you made my day even better: the 4 house is also the house of endings and death of parents, and with all these planets conjuncting the MC, hence opposing the IC (mother), now I will start being worried even more about my parents, especially my mother. I really wish you see it as work related to a job or studies, and not as an "ending" of any sort....

Many times I hate astrology, or I hate myself that I studied it; ignorance is bliss!

Raven, thanks for your response.

Be well.

[astrologer50]

Have you read the 'welcome sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc and also has links to forum Solar returns

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=79

http://cafeastrology.com/interpretingsolarreturns.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12694


My way of helping newbies is for them to do more research and learning rather than just ‘drop the answer in your lap’ and not necessarily to provide professional readings and forecast future events.
Having a Sagittarius MC is the sign of the teacher and I do indeed teach astrology. This forum is a wonderful community of all mixed levels. So instead of dropping the answer in your lap I may provide links and dangle carrots in the hope that if you are sincerely interested enough you will do the research and enlighten yourself….

[cassanra]

That is a good observation of R4vens on the bucket shape. I tend to forget to look at the overall chart view and this is an important step.
With the MC connected to the AC this probably will be a memorable year for you.
Jupiter is prominent (highest in the chart) and this can be negative if it makes a lot of unfavorable aspects in your natal and solar chart and you would want to see repeat aspects. Thus in your natal chart jupiter does square a few things ie mercury, pluto, uranus and chiron the only one it aspects in your solar is chiron which means this year that natal potential will be released.
What does this mean?
First, go back to the solar chart basics
What is rising on the ascendant?
Your natal 10th is rising and this does put emphasis on this axis...your reputation, authority figures, your career etc.
Second the ruler of the ascendant...where is that? it is in the 12th...things happening behind the scenes....could be gossip, could be things hidden to you, could be communication, could be brothers and sisters?all things 3rd house..
Next look for the placement of the sun...where is that? 11th..the collective, friends, hopes and dreams...ego focus will be there
Look for where the natal moon and solar moon are placed? solar in the solar 7th, natal moon in 12th...we have two hits on 12th house issues..something happening behind the scenes..something you are not entirely aware of...solar 12th goes where your natal 9th house is ...these two are connected somehow...legal or education plus 12th house...emotional/confinement? education/legal?
Also look for natal or solar planets quite close (within a couple of degrees) of the house cusps...the 1st and 10th are the strongest cusps.
Your natal venus and mars are quite close to the AC so this energy will affect your outlook...partnerships..and we see that theme again with moon with pluto in the 7th inferring a transformation. Jupiter ruler partner ships or the 7th so again this is a third indication that there will be somesort of public expansion of partnerships.
Of note..your vertex and north node are in hard aspect indicating some fated meeting with significant other. I like to see that in the venus return too to corroborate that theme.
Since your 10th and 4th house axis is emphasized we can focus on them.
The only thing I don't really like is the repeat theme of saturn to mars.
But this could imply a loss of a friendship if you look at rulership..mars is energy or action and saturn is restriction or responsibility thus they may have to leave or some such.
I do not see your health impaired as the sun is not under attack though the moon is somewhat under the gun. YOu would see both the moon and sun with mars, uranus, etc aspecting...
I do not see death as there is not an eighth house emphasis in any way.
More changes in your career or public image or some such.
Go to your progressions and see what is the focus there and then what I have been doing to be honest is watching my lunars each month to get some idea how certain aspects may play out.
I can not look to far ahead but I seem to get some sort of warning at least a few weeks in advance, enought to prepare myself a little. sometimes
I hope this helps.....
Keep it as simple as you can to begin with ..use traditional meanings...this has helped me ie moon=women, emotions, change, mother....

[Effie]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Have you read the 'welcome sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc and also has links to forum Solar returns

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=79

http://cafeastrology.com/interpretingsolarreturns.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12694


My way of helping newbies is for them to do more research and learning rather than just ‘drop the answer in your lap’ and not necessarily to provide professional readings and forecast future events.
Having a Sagittarius MC is the sign of the teacher and I do indeed teach astrology. This forum is a wonderful community of all mixed levels. So instead of dropping the answer in your lap I may provide links and dangle carrots in the hope that if you are sincerely interested enough you will do the research and enlighten yourself….

Listem Astrologer50 or whatever, please stop sending me private emails to tell me what to do, and stop replying to my posts with your distorted perceptions: I m NOT "a newbie" in astrology by any means -I am only a "newbie" to horary astrology.

I just happened to post this thread by mistake in this newbie's list because I saw the explanations about the Jupiter-MC conjunction, and the moderator righteously created a new thread out of my post. I should have posted from the beginning my inquiry under the Solar Return Forum to avoid all this confusion. I have been studying astrology for 20 years now, I am not proclaiming to be an "authority" in anything (unlike some of you, that you need to stress it and shout it to "the newbies" in threads like this one obviously), so when I post, I am entitled to my confusion as a senior student of astrology, and I have every right to ask my questions and request feedback from those who may be more knowledgeable than me in some areas. THIS doe NOT make me a newbie to astrology by any means because astrology is a constant study! So, when I ask a question, I am entitled to some straight forward answers to my honest inquiries and confusion at the time, as I am NOT a God and I do not hold all the answers, and this is not a game and I am not 5 years old "to make me go study to find my answers!"

So, I would appreciate if you stopped harassing me and telling me what to do in private and in forums all the time. Thanks.

[Effie]

Originally Posted by cassanra

That is a good observation of R4vens on the bucket shape. I tend to forget to look at the overall chart view and this is an important step.
With the MC connected to the AC this probably will be a memorable year for you.
Jupiter is prominent (highest in the chart) and this can be negative if it makes a lot of unfavorable aspects in your natal and solar chart and you would want to see repeat aspects. Thus in your natal chart jupiter does square a few things ie mercury, pluto, uranus and chiron the only one it aspects in your solar is chiron which means this year that natal potential will be released.
What does this mean?
First, go back to the solar chart basics
What is rising on the ascendant?
Your natal 10th is rising and this does put emphasis on this axis...your reputation, authority figures, your career etc.
Second the ruler of the ascendant...where is that? it is in the 12th...things happening behind the scenes....could be gossip, could be things hidden to you, could be communication, could be brothers and sisters?all things 3rd house..
Next look for the placement of the sun...where is that? 11th..the collective, friends, hopes and dreams...ego focus will be there
Look for where the natal moon and solar moon are placed? solar in the solar 7th, natal moon in 12th...we have two hits on 12th house issues..something happening behind the scenes..something you are not entirely aware of...solar 12th goes where your natal 9th house is ...these two are connected somehow...legal or education plus 12th house...emotional/confinement? education/legal?
Also look for natal or solar planets quite close (within a couple of degrees) of the house cusps...the 1st and 10th are the strongest cusps.
Your natal venus and mars are quite close to the AC so this energy will affect your outlook...partnerships..and we see that theme again with moon with pluto in the 7th inferring a transformation. Jupiter ruler partner ships or the 7th so again this is a third indication that there will be somesort of public expansion of partnerships.
Of note..your vertex and north node are in hard aspect indicating some fated meeting with significant other. I like to see that in the venus return too to corroborate that theme.
Since your 10th and 4th house axis is emphasized we can focus on them.
The only thing I don't really like is the repeat theme of saturn to mars.
But this could imply a loss of a friendship if you look at rulership..mars is energy or action and saturn is restriction or responsibility thus they may have to leave or some such.
I do not see your health impaired as the sun is not under attack though the moon is somewhat under the gun. YOu would see both the moon and sun with mars, uranus, etc aspecting...
I do not see death as there is not an eighth house emphasis in any way.
More changes in your career or public image or some such.
Go to your progressions and see what is the focus there and then what I have been doing to be honest is watching my lunars each month to get some idea how certain aspects may play out.
I can not look to far ahead but I seem to get some sort of warning at least a few weeks in advance, enought to prepare myself a little. sometimes
I hope this helps.....
Keep it as simple as you can to begin with ..use traditional meanings...this has helped me ie moon=women, emotions, change, mother....

Dear Cassanra, thank you so much for taking the time to look at my charts! I really appreciate your feedback -it is very helpful to listen from another person who knows astrology too that I should not worry about an accident or health related issues.

When I first saw this chart, the Mars-Uranus conjunction stuck me so hard, as it is a classic aspect of an accident, that I started being really worried. So, I started looking for other aspects that may point to "an accident" and, of course, he who seeks finds: SR ascendant conjucting natal venus= some sort of effect on the physical body; SR moon conjuncts SR pluto (and this is in my progressed too)= major life transformation; prominent jupiter in the SR chart= maybe the planet needs to be prominent to act as a protector...and so forth. So, I panicked, and now I feel better that another person is telling me that I shouldn't worry since you can read astrology too.

My initial suspicion about the Neptune right on the MC may be correct after all since you also pointed out about the 12 house impact (gossip, hidden enemies) and the prominent 10 (authority figures, etc). I guess I have to be extra careful....

What you point out about being an important year of meeting someone special, I wish you are right because I have been alone for so long and I really would like to commit (well Juno conjuncts Pluto and Moon in the progressed chart for a long time now, and the more I do not commit, the more frustrated I become).

Thanks again for your feedback, I appreciate it!

Be well.

[cassanra]

I am by no means an expert. I noted on my lunar chart for next month ie April 7th that is...that venus mars and uranus are in the 10th and are a repeat aspect for me in the natal....I too am alarmed and my natal 3rd house of travel, short trips is rising...merc like you. And I am traveling to a seminar this month so ...I will let you know!
What I am saying is ...I would continue to read and research and also it would not hurt to be careful
but if we look at the house rulerships in natal and solar we see in solar venus mars and uranus ruler 5/11 and 9th and this could mean unexpected travel to see a friend or an unexpected divorce of a couple (when you see mars and venus together this often means a coupling or relationship.) Or you unexpectedly meeting someone...remember that Uranus forms a trine in your natal to venus and mars thus it will end up positive even if it starts negative. Or it could be an unexpected argument with a friend
Hope this helps

[katydid]

Originally Posted by Effie

Hi, thanks for your response. Yes, Moon is conjuncting Pluto both in the SR chart and in the progressed chart. Also the SR Ascendant conjuncts natal venus, mars, and MC while SR venus, mars and uranus conjunct natal DC. Natal Vertex conjuncts SR Jupiter, and natal Jupiter conjuncts SR Pluto....I don't know what to make out of this SR this year. What the heck should I get prepared for? I know that I have already started being extra careful because of the Mars-Uranus conjunction, but, I mean, what the heck? I cannot drive myself crazy for the rest of the year and never feel relaxed!

Thanks.

SR Asc conjunct natal Venus/Mars.MC=
You meet your own expectations this year, and you put it out there that you would like to meet someone new, and now.

SR venus/mars/uranus conjunct DC= Sudden new opportunities abound in the relationship arena

SR Jupiter conjunct Vertex= You get the chance to show who you really are to beneficial people or to a mentor OR a slighty older, wealthier soul recognizes your potential

SR Pluto conjunct Jupiter= You fully understand your own qualities for leadership- there is an emotional adjustment to be made for new, improved circumstances.:60:

Pluto/Moon= inner transformation and emotional rebirth by shedding old outworn desires and needs and reorganizing owns priorities significantly

[Effie]

Thank you Ladies for your responses. I appreciate it!

I think I will take Raven's advice, and I will just forget about the SR because I will drive myself crazy (not to mention I am spending all this time try to figure out what will happen when I should have been spending this time on things that need to be done here and now). Well, moon is on the cusp of the 8 house, so I guess I have to be extra careful this year. If I leave this world, I will look after you all from up there....

Best wishes,
Effie.