fall and detriment

[Serendipity]

If you have a significator that's in fall or detriment of the other significator wouldnt that mean the one person doesn't like the other one? Or does it mean that the other party is not good for you?

[archergirl]

That's a good (if simple) way to look at it. Reception by detriment or fall indicates that there is antipathy...that is, if there is an aspect (and for 'true' reception to occur, there needs to be an aspect either applying or separating) and one planet receives the other by detriment/fall, the receiving planet may intend harm; at the least, as you say, it won't do you much good. If there is no aspect, only this 'negative reception', the planets sort of eyeball one another with little interest, or dislike, but there is no interaction.

AG

[Serendipity]

Thanks AG.
ok, let me make sure I am getting this correct. Let's say for example the Moon is in Virgo. The Moon is not too fond of Jupiter or Venus, they may dislike them or are apathetic towards them. May even intend to do them harm? right?
Can we say that if there's no aspect that's how they are viewed, perhaps if there's an aspect that may reflect the harm intended? Or am I reading into it too much?

[archergirl]

I think that's a reasonable assumption. It all depends on the context, of course, and what type of aspect (trine, square, etc); but applying, antipathetic-reception aspects generally speak of struggles and difficulties of some sort, whether they be tangible ones (intending overt harm) or simply that the two parties are not on the same page.

Think of the difference between an applying square between the Moon in Libra and Venus in Cancer (reception by domicile); and an applying square between the Moon in Libra and Mars in Capricorn (reception by detriment). In the first square, the two parties may find that they have enough common ground (domicile) to resolve the conflict (square), albeit with some compromise; in the second, it seems unlikely that any common ground would be found at all, let alone a compromise or a peaceable resolution. Now put this into the context of, say, a lawsuit, and you can see what a difference this can make to the outcome. This would hold true with any aspect that was applying; what would change was the nature of the interaction. 'Negative' reception when the aspect is a trine is very different from when it is an opposition.

In cases where there is no aspect, only the receptiveness, we can view this as "idea" rather than action.

Hope this clears it up a bit.

AG

[Serendipity]

that cleared a lot of things up....thanks

[Serendipity]

Sorry, one more question on this. Forget about the reception between significators but just planets in fall or detriment by themselves. IE- Venus in Aries, Mercury in Pisces .... If your planet is in fall or detriment does it mean you are not in a good position to do anything, in otherwords powerless to make a change in the situation youre asking about? That's kind of how I'm viewing it....I'll give an example. A relationship question and Mars is the querent and Venus the quesited. Venus is in the domicile of Mars. Let's say there's a applying sextile between them. Venus really likes Mars but she's in detriment and retrograde. She's powerless to effect change so Mars has the upper hand. We have to rely on Mars to take action. ..... if there were no aspect between them we may have to rely on the Moon to translate light and then something might be possible. Right?

[archergirl]

Essentially correct, yes. A planet with no dignity has no power, or is somehow rendered unable to manifest whatever-it-is that the planet wants to do. It implies vulnerability, or nastiness...depending on the context. Someone who is powerless is more dangerous, because they often try to gain power by harming other people. In a love question this isn't necessarily the case, of course, but a planet in detriment or fall is more likely to steer things the wrong way, or make bad decisions.

AG