Difficult Relationship with children

[Shining Ray]

Can you tell from the chart if you will have a difficult relationship with your children. I know naturally we all will have some conflicts, but does anything specifically show for real relationship problems with a child or children.

I nearly forgot my own input. Lucky for the reminder. 5th house planets naturally, because this house rules children in the natal chart. If planets in the 5th house are challenged can these mean some stress with children.

Venus in 5th says good relationship with children but in my case I have Venus in 5th square Pluto it makes other good aspects. Do the benefics (Venus, Jupiter) generally describe a good relationship. I know synastry needs to be analysed.

What about Saturn in 5th how do you feel this is interpreted, is all about responsibility and maybe the parent feeling burdened by children or frustrated.

Uranus at time can indicate being separated from children, is there a powerful need for freedom of expression and space which leads to separation from children in a few cases.

Britney Spears has Moon in Aquarius 5th do you think this involves the separation from her children. I can't remember the aspects to her Moon. Step-children can be indicated at times by a 5th house Uranus.

Is there anywhere else you look to in the chart concerning relationships with children?

[lodals]

What an interesting thread! Being an astrolgy novice I can't answer your question but thanks for bringing it up! I hadn't even thought of looking at my chart for this but it certainly rings true for me. I have Aries on my 5th house cusp and Jupiter posited there. Jupiter squares my Mars/Uranus among other things and I have been separated from all three of my children at one time or another because of work committments!

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Shining Ray

Can you tell from the chart if you will have a difficult relationship with your children. I know naturally we all will have some conflicts, but does anything specifically show for real relationship problems with a child or children.

I nearly forgot my own input. Lucky for the reminder. 5th house planets naturally, because this house rules children in the natal chart. If planets in the 5th house are challenged can these mean some stress with children.

Venus in 5th says good relationship with children but in my case I have Venus in 5th square Pluto it makes other good aspects. Do the benefics (Venus, Jupiter) generally describe a good relationship. I know synastry needs to be analysed.

What about Saturn in 5th how do you feel this is interpreted, is all about responsibility and maybe the parent feeling burdened by children or frustrated.

Uranus at time can indicate being separated from children, is there a powerful need for freedom of expression and space which leads to separation from children in a few cases.

Britney Spears has Moon in Aquarius 5th do you think this involves the separation from her children. I can't remember the aspects to her Moon. Step-children can be indicated at times by a 5th house Uranus.

Is there anywhere else you look to in the chart concerning relationships with children?

This is an interesting question, Shining Ray.

The answers may vary I think, so this could be an interesting discussion.

I would say that Venus in the 5th can be an indication of a smooth and loving relationship with one's children. It could also be an indication of creative/artistic children.

Jupiter can describe lucky children, or a good and open relationship with them.

As I understand it Uranus in the 5th is more likely to describe rebellious, brilliant or unusual children.

Saturn in the 5th could be an indication of conservative and hard-working children, but I believe the most likely interpretaion is that the native will experience their children as a burden, or a responsibility. This will not be about the children, but more to do with how the native experiences them.

Moon in 5th is a tricky one. Fluctuating circumstances perhaps. My son has moon in 5th, and has had the mother of his child take the child from him twice in the past year - but he has tr. Uranus passing through the 5th, so it's not so much about the moon as it is about the upsetting effects of the Uranus transit. Definitely a loving parents to their children if moon is well aspected. The types of parents they become can be determined by both moon sign and aspects to the moon. My brother has moon conj Pluto in Leo in 5th. When his kids were small he'd talk and talk and talk about them - all fatherly pride (Leo) but boring to others!!

I had a very difficult r/ship with one of my children whilst he was growing up. Uranus in 5th for me. He was `unusual' to say the least - and rebellious.

Pluto in 5th can describe a karmic situation with one's children, so this may not always be easy. Often people with Pluto in 5th don't actually understand their children, or a child of theirs - there is a lesson in here for the parent.

[Astrologer4U]

Good thread indeed...



I have Pluto and Uranus in the 5th house but they are not conjunct.


The important aspects to Pluto... Pluto is square Saturn, Trine Venus, sextile Neptune, Oppose Chiron



Uranus is trine AC, trine MC, trine Saturn, Oppose Mars, Square Mercury, Square Sun.



Can anyone guess at what kind of issues I have concerning children? I will give you some hints that may point you into the right direction. I have one child of my own and I also have a family daycare where I take care of other peoples children.

[Watersign]

I have no planets but virgo and leo in fifth. The rulers of virgo and leo are in the seventh house. Does that mean my child is my husband?

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Watersign

I have no planets but virgo and leo in fifth. The rulers of virgo and leo are in the seventh house. Does that mean my child is my husband?

Hah!!! Brilliant!

In the first instance, I'd say yes! He's your trial run, and if you can cope with him, then a child would be a doddle.

[Watersign]

So that could apply? How interesting. He is a delightful child even though he is 41. He buys toys every week and watches cartoons avidly. I had to accept that he is a child to learn to appreciate him.

[Leon]

The ruler of my fifth house is Rx Jupiter, and it's in the twelfth house. Venus along with Uranus is in the fifth house too.

Jupiter is in opposition to Saturn and Neptune.

Would these placements suggest one who doesn't care to have children? Back when I was a child I remember telling myself I'm not ever going to have kids, and the thought is still here. I plan not to intentionally make any.

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Leon

Would these placements suggest one who doesn't care to have children? Back when I was a child I remember telling myself I'm not ever going to have kids, and the thought is still here. I plan not to intentionally make any.

It can certainly signify one who doesn't want to have any, but you just may find one turning up anyway.......... I'm thinking of the Uranus in the 5th, which just could create something you don't expect in that department.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

It can certainly signify one who doesn't want to have any, but you just may find one turning up anyway.......... I'm thinking of the Uranus in the 5th, which just could create something you don't expect in that department.

Ah yes, Uranus a need for freedom. Children hold people down. The planet also gives unexpected surprises.

The fifth house of lovers and children is ruled by the twelfth house of enemies. Are we looking at being stuck "raising" an "accident" with someone who I wasn't serious about?

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by Leon

Ah yes, Uranus a need for freedom. Children hold people down. The planet also gives unexpected surprises.

The fifth house of lovers and children is ruled by the twelfth house of enemies. Are we looking at being stuck "raising" an "accident" with someone who I wasn't serious about?

For your sake, Leon, I hope not!! But it happens!!!

(FWIW, my grandson was a mistake/accident which occurred when my son had a liaison - can't be called a r/ship - with a much younger woman. That child is what my son needed - to ground him on the planet and to give him a reason to stay here. He's the best thing that happened to my family, at least. Not all `accidents' are accidents, if you get my drift.)

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by Watersign

I have no planets but virgo and leo in fifth. The rulers of virgo and leo are in the seventh house. Does that mean my child is my husband?

Can your post your chart?

[Watersign]

It should be below.

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by Leon

The ruler of my fifth house is Rx Jupiter, and it's in the twelfth house. Venus along with Uranus is in the fifth house too.

Jupiter is in opposition to Saturn and Neptune.

Would these placements suggest one who doesn't care to have children? Back when I was a child I remember telling myself I'm not ever going to have kids, and the thought is still here. I plan not to intentionally make any.

If Jupiter is making connections to the planet ruling your 5th, particularly an opposition, I think you would be subject to a change of mind. Saturn opposing the planet ruling your 5th just say's to me that, you battle between maturity and immaturity when it comes to rationalized thoughts on having children. The maturer you get, the more you will probably change your mind about having kids.


On a side not, Leo, clear some of your messages from your box, your message box is full and will not allow you to recieve any new messages.


Astrologer4U

[R4VEN]

A very simple - and this time, serious - look at your chart, Watersign, tells me that with Leo ruling the 5th house, there is `life' in your 5th house. This could pertain tto any creative effort you may pursue - including children.

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by Watersign

It should be below.

If we work from your 5th house, we end up in your 6th house of service and health ending at Uranus. I can definately see how your husband would be your child, almost in a nurse and patient kind of way. How long have you been married? I ask because if your husband is ending up in your 6th, Pluto is also an influence of that house and it is out of balance with Uranus.


Astrologer4U

[Watersign]

Thanks for checking my chart out. I have post traumatic stress from my childhood so I have real trouble coping with kids because they remind me of the helpless kid that I was. Also sudden noises frighten the hell out of me so I really don't think kids are a good idea for me. Thanks for telling me there's life in my fifth house. I look at my chart and see a lot of hard aspects with the exception of my seventh house and perhaps my tenth house. I really am struggling to understand what my natal chart is trying to tell me. I would really be grateful for any input or illumination .

[Leon]

Originally Posted by R4VEN

For your sake, Leon, I hope not!! But it happens!!!

(FWIW, my grandson was a mistake/accident which occurred when my son had a liaison - can't be called a r/ship - with a much younger woman. That child is what my son needed - to ground him on the planet and to give him a reason to stay here. He's the best thing that happened to my family, at least. Not all `accidents' are accidents, if you get my drift.)

Venus in the 5th house. Would this suggest that having that "accident" along with hanging around a permanent lover wouldn't be as bad as I thought it would be, and I might even get pleasure from it?

[Watersign]

[quote=Astrologer4U]If we work from your 5th house, we end up in your 6th house of service and health ending at Uranus. I can definately see how your husband would be your child, almost in a nurse and patient kind of way. How long have you been married? I ask because if your husband is ending up in your 6th, Pluto is also an influence of that house and it is out of balance with Uranus.

Please let me know how we end up in the sixth? I do apologize for being such a newbie. I've been married since 1991 but it has been a platonic marriage. Here's his chart if it helps.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?g...;nhor=3;nho2=3

Also my health causes me grief everyday. I look to the sixth house a lot to try and understand how to fix this.

Thanks for any wisdom you may choose to share.

[R4VEN]

[quote=Watersign]

Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

If we work from your 5th house, we end up in your 6th house of service and health ending at Uranus. I can definately see how your husband would be your child, almost in a nurse and patient kind of way. How long have you been married? I ask because if your husband is ending up in your 6th, Pluto is also an influence of that house and it is out of balance with Uranus.

Please let me know how we end up in the sixth? I do apologize for being such a newbie. I've been married since 1991 but it has been a platonic marriage. Here's his chart if it helps.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?g...;nhor=3;nho2=3

Also my health causes me grief everyday. I look to the sixth house a lot to try and understand how to fix this.

Thanks for any wisdom you may choose to share.

There's a lot of stress in your chart, and I don't wish to overwhelm you with details, but you have what appears to be:

• a mutable Cross involving Moon in Pisces, Pluto in Libra, Venus in Capricorn, and Saturn in Cancer. Just the Pluto squ Saturn is very tough, and points to difficulties in early life which flow over into adulthood.
• a T-square involving your Uranus opposition to Mars and Chiron all squaring your Cap MC. This T-square is currently being `activated' by tr Pluto's conjunction to your Venus.
• You also have interceptions of Libra-Aries in 6th and 12th houses, so the affairs of these houses are forever being highlighted for your attention.

On a happier note, no-one is ever given a life which they are not capable of dealing with - no-one. Having said that, many believe they can't handle what has happened to them, but astrology teaches me that everything eventually passes.
Also, having a child-like husband is a blessing in disguise. Often we have children in order to heal something in our own childhood. Given that is not going to be easy for you, you have instead chosen a child-like man. Hoepfully you can learn - through him - to play again, and to feel safe.

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by Watersign

Please let me know how we end up in the sixth? I do apologize for being such a newbie. I've been married since 1991 but it has been a platonic marriage. Here's his chart if it helps.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?g...;nhor=3;nho2=3

Also my health causes me grief everyday. I look to the sixth house a lot to try and understand how to fix this.

Thanks for any wisdom you may choose to share.

Quick breakdown of "your" relationhips ending up in the 6th house of service and health...


We can start with either Sun or Mercury in your 7th house of partnerships and we will get the same results...

I will just start with Sun and you can do the same thing later with Mercury, you will see that you will get the same results...

Sun is in the 7th house, and the 7th house is Scorpio. The planet ruling Scorpio is Pluto and it is in Libra, in your 6th house. The planet ruling Libra is Venus and Venus is up in the 9th house in Capricorn, the planet ruling Capricorn is Saturn. Saturn is in Cancer the 3rd house. The planet ruling Cancer is Moon, and Moon is in in Pisces. The planet ruling Pisces is Neptune, and Neptune is in the 8th house in Sagittarius. The planet ruling Sagitarius is Jupiter and it is in the 10th house in Aquarius. The planet ruling Aquarius is Uranus, and it is back over in your 6th house where it ends. So we started out from you 7th house of partnerships and ended up at your 6th house of service and health...


Looking at your husbands chart, I see why you say that you and he are platonic. In your chart it shows that he is like a child for you and you probably take care of him a lot more than he takes care of you. In his chart it shows that his children are his friends so friendship is very important to him in terms of parenting and being parented. Did you two meet in college or a foreign land because you both have Venus in the 9th house of philosphy, travel, the higher mind and education. Something else I see that is interesting, You and he both have Pluto and Uranus in the 6th house of service and health. Does he have some health issues as well? Or is he just a workaholic? In any case, it looks like you are supposed to be his mother because he has Moon,which rules Cancer, the sign of the mother, in his 7th house of partnerships. On a side note, does he seem to sleep entirely to much?

As far as your health is concerned, I could see why would have issues with health because while your husbands Uranus and Pluto work as a little stellium, your pluto and Uranus are on two different ends of the spectrum. Pluto rules bladder, genitals, cervix, urinary tract, and prostate gland. Uranus rules the akles, circulatory system, Achilles heal, calves and shins. Libra rules the lower back, kidneys and adrenal glands. You and your husband both have the aspects pointing to health issues concerning all I just named. You are probably experiencing some inbalance or mixture of the health issues I mentioned. Your husband has one extra planet though and that is Jupiter in the 6th. Jupiter rules liver, hips, thighs, pelvs and the femur.


I don't have time right now to try and trouble shoot what your health issue is and to help you understand a way on how to get your health issues healed but I will post it tomorrow. I hope this all helped, I am really tired so I gotta go, talk later.



Astrologer4U

[Munchkin]

Originally Posted by Shining Ray

Is there anywhere else you look to in the chart concerning relationships with children?

I kinda of look at this issue differently so I may not be right but this is how I look at it, pardon my ramblings:

I do believe the 5th house shows your attitude towards children but I think other houses show problems based on themes of Child Psychology. Parenting is all about discipline (or learning societal rules), nurturing, communication, and education/creativity (which is govern by the 5th, looking to the 5th shows how the parent will show creativity to the child). I would look to all four houses that involve these basic themes to understand how the person parent vs. what is happening in the child's chart in relation to these houses (synastry). Communication, body language, and how you project yourself to others is a 3rd house/Mercury matter. Third house is also about early education and the young child, if parent is having problems getting through to a child I would look to this house and aspects. Children pick up on body language and are highly visual. If parent is coming off as nervous for instance they are going to read it especially younger children and act out accordingly. Nurturing is a Moon and Ceres 4th house matter (if you want to use asteroids) but moon should suffice, what kind of home is being made for the child; is it warm or detached. Look what planets are here and the cusp sign. I personally believe some problems with children getting along with parents can be environmentally based so a 4th house matter. The 4th house does not only rule your parent's home and the home you grew up in but also the home you provide for your future family (environmentally and psychologically).

Discipline/rules/ethics/structure -- Jupiter/Saturn/10th/9th. This is the most important because how you nurture your child to understand this World we live in can either cause confusion or the child genuinely "understands it". Most issues with Saturn can be painful since most children hate responsibility, limits and rules; but I think this area is where most parents and children have problems. As a parent they should look at how they deal with Saturn themes and then access how they pass these themes to their children based on synastry. But with all Saturn lessons most likely it will subside with time.

This may tell the person some things as to why a parent is having conflicts between a child. Maybe looking at transits is best too, since child development is growth and transits are usually growth indicators, for children transits can be interesting with the personal/fast moving planets. Because children's emotions tend to change rapidly due to environmental influence like parents and peers. Some astrologers rather not look at child transits so it depends on the person.

If you are looking at the 5th house I am wondering if the malefic planets (Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto) in this house don't start taking effect until the child is a little older? Having a Moon, Sun, Venus, and Mars may show the most problems during early childhood that slowly dissolves or become bearable. These are personal planets. But when you have outer planets in this house and there is problems I see a life-long parental/child situation that never truly dissolves, the problem still exist but parent/child may try to ignore it or get around it. Just an idea I'm thinking about.

*EDITED* Hey Shining Ray, I realized my post kept saying "you" instead of being general. I didn't mean for it to be like that, sorry if it came off like I was mentioning you directly, I meant it to be general in scope relating to general ideas. Sorry about that. I edited it a little to make it sound better.

[Shining Ray]

Yes I can see the outer planets bringing a whole different dimension when it comes to relationships with children. I don't have a difficult relationship with my little boy, he is only 3 years old. Time will tell as the years pass, I do want to always maintain a good relationship with him growing up.

In traditional books I have read the aspects to the Sun being the natural ruler of the 5th house, can also describe children but not sure how true this is. My partner has a Leo Moon and kids naturally love him, he is on the same level as them, coz he is a big kid himself (joking) but with his own daughter he is separated and only gets to see her twice a fortnight. I do think this will affect the strong bond between them. From the birth chart I have for him, the time given by his mother - shows he has Chiron and Mars in 5th (not conjunct). Mars in Taurus 5th is t.squared with Moon in Leo & Jupiter in Aquarius. Chiron in 5th is opposed Uranus in 11th.

[Watersign]

Thank you so much for the wisdom you are sharing with me. When I have time tonight I'm going to really study what you've shared with me. I am very, very grateful.

[Watersign]

Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

Quick breakdown of "your" relationhips ending up in the 6th house of service and health...


We can start with either Sun or Mercury in your 7th house of partnerships and we will get the same results...

I will just start with Sun and you can do the same thing later with Mercury, you will see that you will get the same results...

Sun is in the 7th house, and the 7th house is Scorpio. The planet ruling Scorpio is Pluto and it is in Libra, in your 6th house. The planet ruling Libra is Venus and Venus is up in the 9th house in Capricorn, the planet ruling Capricorn is Saturn. Saturn is in Cancer the 3rd house. The planet ruling Cancer is Moon, and Moon is in in Pisces. The planet ruling Pisces is Neptune, and Neptune is in the 8th house in Sagittarius. The planet ruling Sagitarius is Jupiter and it is in the 10th house in Aquarius. The planet ruling Aquarius is Uranus, and it is back over in your 6th house where it ends. So we started out from you 7th house of partnerships and ended up at your 6th house of service and health...


Looking at your husbands chart, I see why you say that you and he are platonic. In your chart it shows that he is like a child for you and you probably take care of him a lot more than he takes care of you. In his chart it shows that his children are his friends so friendship is very important to him in terms of parenting and being parented. Did you two meet in college or a foreign land because you both have Venus in the 9th house of philosphy, travel, the higher mind and education. Something else I see that is interesting, You and he both have Pluto and Uranus in the 6th house of service and health. Does he have some health issues as well? Or is he just a workaholic? In any case, it looks like you are supposed to be his mother because he has Moon,which rules Cancer, the sign of the mother, in his 7th house of partnerships. On a side note, does he seem to sleep entirely to much?

As far as your health is concerned, I could see why would have issues with health because while your husbands Uranus and Pluto work as a little stellium, your pluto and Uranus are on two different ends of the spectrum. Pluto rules bladder, genitals, cervix, urinary tract, and prostate gland. Uranus rules the akles, circulatory system, Achilles heal, calves and shins. Libra rules the lower back, kidneys and adrenal glands. You and your husband both have the aspects pointing to health issues concerning all I just named. You are probably experiencing some inbalance or mixture of the health issues I mentioned. Your husband has one extra planet though and that is Jupiter in the 6th. Jupiter rules liver, hips, thighs, pelvs and the femur.


I don't have time right now to try and trouble shoot what your health issue is and to help you understand a way on how to get your health issues healed but I will post it tomorrow. I hope this all helped, I am really tired so I gotta go, talk later.



Astrologer4U

This is amazing. Thank you so much for this. My husband has good health except a runny nose. I have problems with sinuses, let's say pluto/scorpio area, the back, joints, sinuses, circulation's a problem along with hypoglycemia. Basically every day it's always something annoying but not life threatening. I exercise and watch what I eat and I take my vitamins.

Thanks for showing me how you got to the sixth house. I didn't know it worked like that. Though our marriage is odd, he is a delightful person and he has given me a big break in a life that is has been as stressful as my chart looks.

I am trying to sell a movie script but I wish I could have a little bit of luck so it wouldn't seem so daunting and impossible. Is there anything in my chart that could give a little encouragement so I don't feel like I'm wasting my time? This question is really dear to my heart and I feel primarily distressed and defeated by my inability to sell my writing. When I look at the pluto square saturn that's what I see and feel.