Illness Question

[FleetingDasein]

Background: I haven't been feeling too good lately. Very tired, sleepy,
without energy. Sharp lower abdomen pains. I already scheduled an appointment with my ob/gyn.

The ascendant is once again early, but not that early. Some people say early if it's from 00 to 02 degrees. It is at 03. Chart should be readable, nonetheless.

Significators:
I am Mars, the possible illness is also Mars in the 4th house. The end of the matter/ the womb. But it is in an angular house, strong vitality and speedy recovery.

Is the moon void of course? I'm not good at observing these things. The moon is in Sagittarius, the exaltation sign of the greater benefics. Regardless of VOC, it shows promise.

Looking at the chart, the Moon receives a square from Saturn. This usually means the question will result in damage or loss. I wasn't going to post this on the forums because it was one of those questions that I think are very painful to have answered by other people, since it deals with illness. The aspect just made me worry. I'd rather know than not know.

Moon squares Venus in the 6th, could these be indicative of it being a female-related illness? Moon squares Uranus, it might be an emergency. It also conjunct Pluto, maybe it will require surgery.

Mars is conjunct Jupiter, the greater benefic. That's good at least.

Bottomline is, there is no applying aspects between the moon and mars. So it's a no.

[FleetingDasein]

Chart expired; I uploaded it somewhere else:

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

The ascendant is once again early, but not that early. Some people say early if it's from 00 to 02 degrees. It is at 03. Chart should be readable, nonetheless.

The early/late ascendant doesn't make it any more or less readable, it's just a consideration that gives insight into what's going on. Personally, the only radical checker I look at is Ascendant/hour lord agreement, but I don't take the time to look at it in charts posted on the forum.

Anyway, this ascendant is not early. The consideration only applies to the first three degrees of a sign, those being 0, 1, and 2.

I am Mars, the possible illness is also Mars in the 4th house. The end of the matter/ the womb. But it is in an angular house, strong vitality and speedy recovery.

Actually, in this instance I would forsake Mars for the illness and say that since the illness and your health are ruled by the Mars, that yes, you are indeed sick. However, the Moon is the general significator for the sick so I would stick with her when looking at yourself and the recovery process.

Also, the Fourth house does not relate to the womb, that's the Seventh house. The Fourth house is significant of the breasts and chest.

Is the moon void of course? I'm not good at observing these things. The moon is in Sagittarius, the exaltation sign of the greater benefics. Regardless of VOC, it shows promise.

Luna in Sagittarius is considered much less impeded, and it does immediately apply an aspect when it changes Signs. How do you think that applies to this situation?

Looking at the chart, the Moon receives a square from Saturn. This usually means the question will result in damage or loss.

Since it's a separating aspect and neither planet receives the other, it's probably representative of the problem. I will say one thing about it, Saturn usually is a blockage, a retention, or a hardening. So, now it's probably best to look at the parts of the body relating to the planets and Signs and see what you can get from it.

Moon squares Venus in the 6th...

That's a sextile.

In my mind, the best way to do this is to measure Mars up next to the Moon and account for any stars around the important parts of the chart and to see if the illness is serious.

[FleetingDasein]

Thank you for your reply, Kai. Always so helpful

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

The early/late ascendant doesn't make it any more or less readable, it's just a consideration that gives insight into what's going on. Personally, the only radical checker I look at is Ascendant/hour lord agreement, but I don't take the time to look at it in charts posted on the forum.

Anyway, this ascendant is not early. The consideration only applies to the first three degrees of a sign, those being 0, 1, and 2.

I agree, I just think it's always worth the mention because I have found that in most charts with an early ascendant there's still something left to be "seen". Either way, it does not apply to this chart since the ascedant is at 3 degrees.

Actually, in this instance I would forsake Mars for the illness and say that since the illness and your health are ruled by the Mars, that yes, you are indeed sick. However, the Moon is the general significator for the sick so I would stick with her when looking at yourself and the recovery process.

I see that the Moon found is in a succedent house, then that would imply a not so fast recovery.

Also, the Fourth house does not relate to the womb, that's the Seventh house. The Fourth house is significant of the breasts and chest.

I don't remember where I read that it signified the womb. I've had problems with my ovaries when I was younger, and they have been hurting lately. I digged some stuff online and here is what I found:

In Medical Astrology, by association of the natural order of the signs, the fourth house governs the breasts, breastbone, stomach, alimentary canal, lower ribs, womb, pancreas.

4th House. Father. Parents (both). Household & domestic concerns. The house one lives in. The end of the matter. Land. Things underground. Digging. Wells. Mining. Fields. Mineral rights. Farms. Real Estate. Things mislaid. Buildings. Financial investments. Graves. Estates. The womb. Secure places

Luna in Sagittarius is considered much less impeded, and it does immediately apply an aspect when it changes Signs. How do you think that applies to this situation?

When the Moon changes sign, it goes into detriment (in Capricorn) and the unhealthy cadent 3rd house. When I saw pluto I thought maybe this would signify a surgical procedure, then moon will square venus denotes treatment.

Saturn usually is a blockage, a retention, or a hardening. So, now it's probably best to look at the parts of the body relating to the planets and Signs and see what you can get from it.

I wonder what could it be.

Saturn rules the skin, hair, teeth, bones, the body's defenses, spleen but in Virgo which rules the abdomen, digestive system, etc. I don't know if it's relevant but I need to have my wisdom teeth pulled out. But that wasn't what I was thinking of when I asked the question since it is simple yet painful procedure.

Moon rules the stomach, digestive system, female organs, lymphatic system and Sagittarius relates to the hips, thighs, liver... and things that expand such as tumours and swellings.

I'm thinking the illness is found around the abdomen. Regarding the question, I asked "Do I have a serious illness?". Shouldn't the fact that it seems I'm sick also imply it is serious? I'm very worried. My appointment is scheduled for the 17th of March.

[natasa812]

Originally Posted by FleetingDasein

I wonder what could it be.

Saturn rules the skin, hair, teeth, bones, the body's defenses, spleen but in Virgo which rules the abdomen, digestive system, etc. I don't know if it's relevant but I need to have my wisdom teeth pulled out. But that wasn't what I was thinking of when I asked the question since it is simple yet painful procedure.

Moon rules the stomach, digestive system, female organs, lymphatic system and Sagittarius relates to the hips, thighs, liver... and things that expand such as tumours and swellings.

My appointment is scheduled for the 17th of March.

Here is something about Saturn since another member asked a similar question:

I found some articles about Saturn, here is the link and the paragraph, but I don`t know should we aply this in horary astrology or we should look at your natal:

http://www.astrologysource.com/bodysample.html
3. Saturn, the Great Malefic: its location according to sign and house represents the weakest point of the body, where toxins will accumulate, and if afflicted most certainly shows where a chronic disorder is located. Its nature is cold, constricting, weakening the metabolic powers, and allows toxins to settle and do their damage.

SATURN: The great afflictor, stasis, coldness, sluggish action, hypo function, retention and deposition of toxins. The Saturn location represents where most of your toxic organ(s) (foci) are to exist. When in hard aspect to the Sun, your metabolic fires are dampened and need to be raised by correct diet, exercise, proper climate to live in, vitamins, etc. When in hard aspect to the Moon, it indicates coldness, lymphatic stasis, puffiness, etc.

And another one link:
http://www.astrologer-drsudhirshah.com/mediastro.html

I wish I could tell more, but I am still learnin horary...
Wish you the best for the 17th...
Natasa

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

The source you gave conflicts with more traditional sources which state.

Originally Posted by SkyScript

In Medical Matters:
The breast or lung area. Its association with death makes this a poor placement in decumbiture charts.

When the Moon changes sign, it goes into detriment (in Capricorn) and the unhealthy cadent 3rd house. When I saw pluto I thought maybe this would signify a surgical procedure, then moon will square venus denotes treatment.

Right, what would you say about your significator having to leave its sign and how it relates to you? Consider this in two parts one being the normal considerations of what happens when the Moon changes Signs and the other being the difference in dignity between the two Signs.

Also, I want you to take another look at the Moon's immediate aspect after she leaves her current Sign, you may find some relief in it.

Saturn rules the skin, hair, teeth, bones, the body's defenses, spleen but in Virgo which rules the abdomen, digestive system, etc. I don't know if it's relevant but I need to have my wisdom teeth pulled out. But that wasn't what I was thinking of when I asked the question since it is simple yet painful procedure.

Moon rules the stomach, digestive system, female organs, lymphatic system and Sagittarius relates to the hips, thighs, liver... and things that expand such as tumours and swellings.

Look over the parts I bolded in the above and see if you can see what I'm getting at. Also be sure to add in Mars and irritation, inflamation, and pain. I'll give you a hint, have you had your appendix or that Saturn-ruled organ bolded above out?

Regarding the question, I asked "Do I have a serious illness?". Shouldn't the fact that it seems I'm sick also imply it is serious? I'm very worried. My appointment is scheduled for the 17th of March.

Not necessarily. I think those are two different considerations since there are three different possible outcomes. The first being you could have a serioius illness, the second being you could be well, and the third as a compromise between the two which would be you being sick or afflicted, but it not being serious or as serious as you're fearing.

Besides, the lord of the Eighth looks rather benign to me.

[FleetingDasein]

Originally Posted by natasa812

Here is something about Saturn since another member asked a similar question:

I found some articles about Saturn, here is the link and the paragraph, but I don`t know should we aply this in horary astrology or we should look at your natal:

http://www.astrologysource.com/bodysample.html
3. Saturn, the Great Malefic: its location according to sign and house represents the weakest point of the body, where toxins will accumulate, and if afflicted most certainly shows where a chronic disorder is located. Its nature is cold, constricting, weakening the metabolic powers, and allows toxins to settle and do their damage.

And another one link:
http://www.astrologer-drsudhirshah.com/mediastro.html

I wish I could tell more, but I am still learnin horary...
Wish you the best for the 17th...
Natasa

Thank you for your wishes, Natasa. I'm looking at the links right now.

I'm still learning horary too, sometimes it can be very complicated.

My natal Saturn is in Sagittarius. I know I shouldn't be relating my natal to the horary but I couldn't help but noticing that my weak point (according to Medical Astrology) is the same as the position of the moon (my illness) in the horary. Hips, thighs, tumours, swelling...

To be honest, I don't know much about Medical Astrology. I have never considered my chart in that light. But it's very interesting to read about it.

[FleetingDasein]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

Look over the parts I bolded in the above and see if you can see what I'm getting at. Also be sure to add in Mars and irritation, inflamation, and pain. I'll give you a hint, have you had your appendix or that Saturn-ruled organ bolded above out?

Not necessarily. I think those are two different considerations since there are three different possible outcomes. The first being you could have a serioius illness, the second being you could be well, and the third as a compromise between the two which would be you being sick or afflicted, but it not being serious or as serious as you're fearing.

Besides, the lord of the Eighth looks rather benign to me.

I just laughed. I love your hints.

I haven't had my appendix removed. Although in the country I'm in right now I doubt I'll be taken seriously --and the chances of getting it removed before it gets to the point of it bursting are slim to none. They wait for you to be screaming in pain to do anything.

I guess I will have to wait and see. I can tell you my appetite has dimished, and I feel very tired all the time but the pain comes and goes. It's bearable. I'm very familiar with abdominal pain. I once had a ovarian cyst burst and boy was that painful!

How would the timing work out? I think the moon moves one degree every two hours. It's in a succedent house, so a matter of weeks until it changes signs?