Christian Bale Works His Mars

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Wow. I'm kinda surprised no one here has said anything about Christian Bale's recent famous (and, as it turns out, somewhat justified) on-set rant about an errant crewmember.

The astrology: Sun in Aquarius (The Sun = Ego, theoretically debilitated in Aquarius) square Mars in Taurus (Mars = Aggression, theoretically debilitated in Taurus).

The shtick:

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com...in-taurus.html

[hermetic]

he played in the movie American Psycho also, and ever since he seemed to me like there is some really angry and scary side of him, you can sort of see it on his face, and these news are not at all surprising coming from him.

astrologicaly, depending on birth time he could have Moon in Aries, opposed to Uranus, in T-square with Mercury, that would also cause quite the outbursts in emotional response I think.

[allie_b]

There's nothing that crew member could have done to justify that kind of rage attack against him.

Bale is out of control, with some real mental health issues.

His astrological aspects are tense for sure. But that rage rant belongs in the crazy category.

Didn't his mother and sister press charges against him last year? The guy has some real problems, history of violent attacks.

[archergirl]

Oooh, I DO love that Mr. Bale! Naughty, naughty boy, tsk tsk. Such a temper!


Mrowr!
AG

[allie_b]

The kind of guy you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.

[Steeler]

I thought for sure he was a scorpio because of his looks,
but I was so wrong! He has NOTHING in scorpio!
And the weirdest thing is, that his strongest planet is Uranus, not Mars.
Mars is not even in the top 5. Interesting bloke though.

[allie_b]

If he has Mars square his Sun (both in fixed signs) as Matthew mentioned--that IS a strong Mars in my book.

[aquarius7000]

Some more Astrology: the guy has a tight Uranus-Moon opposition, so sudden emotional outbursts shouldn't be surprising. Also, his Taurean Mars is in about a 5° square to Jupiter so he can overdo his anger a bit. Maybe some nasty transit got his goat esp bad that day.

aquarius7000

[allie_b]

I have the same tight natal opposition, with Aries Moon, granted Uranus is in the 12th (but conjunct my Asc.). And no way--I've never, ever gone off on someone like that.

"Overdo his anger", interesting way to put it. I'm not attacking you. I just don't believe that his rageful rant was anything even close to being a normal expression. What kind of society would we live in if everyone did this?

As mentioned previously, last year I believe, both his mom and sister had him arrested, I believe it was for assault. At the time I didn't take sides, because his family could be falsely accusing him, etc.. But now, after that rant? There's no doubt that he's a violent bleep. It goes beyond having a bad day.

Originally Posted by aquarius7000

Some more Astrology: the guy has a tight Uranus-Moon opposition, so sudden emotional outbursts shouldn't be surprising. Also, his Taurean Mars is in about a 5° square to Jupiter so he can overdo his anger a bit. Maybe some nasty transit got his goat esp bad that day.

aquarius7000

[gaer]

Originally Posted by Matthew The Astrologer

Wow. I'm kinda surprised no one here has said anything about Christian Bale's recent famous (and, as it turns out, somewhat justified) on-set rant about an errant crewmember.

The astrology: Sun in Aquarius (The Sun = Ego, theoretically debilitated in Aquarius) square Mars in Taurus (Mars = Aggression, theoretically debilitated in Taurus).

The shtick:

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com...in-taurus.html

The comments added between Bale's (yours?) made me laugh!

Isn't this a perfect example of how wrong we can go just by looking at one planet in one sign?

[freedomlover]

I wonder where his Progressed Mars is - maybe in Gemini by now? angry outbursts in communication?

[allie_b]

Whether Bale has a fixed Taurus moon or a fiery Aries one...we'll probably never know. What we do know is: The man is out of his mind.

Re: Moon signs and the capacity for rages (or "going nutso"):

My soon to be ex husband has raged many, many times (like Bale) for three straight hours at times!! He happens to have a Virgo moon (with no challenging aspects). Hmm...the common denominator seems to be: LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH!

Originally Posted by Froggy

bale and i both rock the cap venus/taurus mars combo. i think he's smokin hot but he scares the **** outta me.

i'd call it on the aries moon, cause my dad has that, and he can go nutso. but of course i can't call it on one placements since i have the venus/mars and i'm calm. i vote all those, plus the sun square mars/sun square jupiter/moon opposite uranus.

[Astrologer4U]

Originally Posted by hermetic

he played in the movie American Psycho also, and ever since he seemed to me like there is some really angry and scary side of him, you can sort of see it on his face, and these news are not at all surprising coming from him.

astrologicaly, depending on birth time he could have Moon in Aries, opposed to Uranus, in T-square with Mercury, that would also cause quite the outbursts in emotional response I think.

He was in the news for physically putting his hands on one of his relatives for insulting his wife.

I have Mars in Taurus, Generally Mars in Tarus are slow to anger but once they are angry, they are worse than a Sun in Taurus who has had it up to their noses. When it comes to a fight, Mars in Taurus can go all day and all night. I remember when I was the age 15 I had a fight with this girl, I thought the fight would last into the next day. I wasn't going to give up and no one was trying to break up the fight so I just kept going, charging at her like a mad bull. Eventually she gave up and literally ran away to retreat back into her friends house where she had come from. The thing is Taurus people period, they do not want to fight but it is like once someone puts hands on them or their loved ones, that is it and there is no room for discussion. The girl called herself going to show her friends that she could be me up but I wound up beating her up and I didn't even think I could do it, sun in Cap.

The way that girl came out acting like she was going to kill me, but then in the end she ran from me because she saw I was not going to give up, she may have been a mars in Leo.

[aquarius7000]

i'd call it on the aries moon, cause my dad has that, and he can go nutso. but of course i can't call it on one placements since i have the venus/mars and i'm calm. i vote all those, plus the sun square mars/sun square jupiter/moon opposite uranus.

Actually, the Aries Moon would seem to add up more in this case considering the rest of those aspects. That Ura-Moon opp. must make him rather jumpy and impulsive, not being able to control himself in the heat of the moment. Plus Mars keeps getting fuelled by Jupiter, and challenges his Sun in turn in a square. Maybe a deeper dive into his chart would show more. Btw, for convenience sake, his stats are: 30 Jan 1974 in Haverfordwest, Wales/GB, TOB is unknown.

AQ7

[allie_b]

As mentioned previously, I have that Moon in Aries with Uranus in opposition to it, and it does not play out in my life the way you describe (jumpy, impulsive, unable to control myself). I can't imagine ever "Bale" ing like that on anyone. I don't care what they did to me. There is no excuse for that--ever.

Bale's Uranus is square his Venus (Libra/Cap) so if he has Moon in Aries as part of a T-square, that would make more sense to me (as Venus is self-expression).

I've only seen rageful people like this (thankfully not often) with people who have T-squares combined with fixed planets (Bale has Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, all Fixed).

As you know my nearly (not soon enough) ex husband has raged like Bale. He too, has a T-square (with Mars as the apex with squares to Mercury and Saturn). He has problems with bottling up anger and then exploding verbally, like Bale. Not sure if it's reflected in the T-square but those are the only hard aspects in his chart.

Strangely, I just noticed that Bale's Venus is 29 Capricorn and my ex's Mars is 29 Cap--both apexes of their T-squares! That's got to mean something, as it's an anaretic degree and all.

Originally Posted by aquarius7000

Actually, the Aries Moon would seem to add up more in this case considering the rest of those aspects. That Ura-Moon opp. must make him rather jumpy and impulsive, not being able to control himself in the heat of the moment. Plus Mars keeps getting fuelled by Jupiter, and challenges his Sun in turn in a square. Maybe a deeper dive into his chart would show more. Btw, for convenience sake, his stats are: 30 Jan 1974 in Haverfordwest, Wales/GB, TOB is unknown.

AQ7

[archergirl]

My daughter has a tight Uranus/Moon opposition (Moon in Leo) and she is showing signs of having a spectacular temper with a huge lacing of 'drama'. Quite amusing, really, because as a Libra with Pisces rising, she is usually the picture of harmonious accommodation.

Having an Aries moon myself, I can vouch for the temperament attached to it...and I have fairly 'easy' aspects to it, apart from a Saturn conjunction! When I was younger (in my early twenties) I was quite the fighter (1st house Mars)...but it takes me an awful long time to get riled enough to fight. Once I do, though, it's volcanic. Luckily it happens only rarely.

I think Bale's biggest problem is that he takes himself and his 'art' far too seriously.

AG

[allie_b]

The stereotype of an Aries Moon is that something can rile you, but it's gone as quickly as it arrives--and in my case, it's so true--nothing riles me for long, especially not enough to have a rage attack on someone.

And I think the Uranus aspect makes me have attention deficit disorder. It helps angry feelings dissipate quickly. And I can easily forgive and forget because I can't even remember what riled me up in the first place. It's fortunate.

So perhaps what you're attributing (volcanic anger) to your Moon is actually your Mars in the 1st house, or Saturn conjuncting your Moon. Just a thought.

As I can only express my unique experience of Uranus opposite Moon in Aries, of course maybe others are different but---I have never Baled on anyone.

I've been on the receiving end of volcanic anger but never myself expressed upset in such a way as Bale. IMHO I think Bale's biggest problem is his lack of mental health.

Originally Posted by archergirl

Having an Aries moon myself, I can vouch for the temperament attached to it...and I have fairly 'easy' aspects to it, apart from a Saturn conjunction! When I was younger (in my early twenties) I was quite the fighter (1st house Mars)...but it takes me an awful long time to get riled enough to fight. Once I do, though, it's volcanic. Luckily it happens only rarely.

I think Bale's biggest problem is that he takes himself and his 'art' far too seriously.

AG

[archergirl]

My 1st house Mars is in Pisces, so it's not a particularly 'temperamental' Mars. In fact, with this placement, I'd rather *not* fight...but I do love martial arts!

I think it's the Uranus aspects that make for explosiveness...I am, for example, 'irritable' (Uranus square Mercury), but hardly explosive, unless really, really riled. It takes a LOT of pushing for me to lose it, but then I don't back down (Mars exact sextile to Saturn, I think).

My daughter has more of this 'Uranian' energy. She is remarkably affable but every once in awhile just throws a 'wobbly' and has a spectacular temper tantrum: stomping, screaming, etc. Completely out of place with the rest of her very warm and loving personality. That's the opposition talking.

Having said that, my son has Mars in Taurus, conjunct his Sun. He is very quiet most of the time, but apropo to the Taurus Mars, he doesn't get mad easily, but once he does, he stays mad, for a loooong time. It doesn't help having a Scorpio rising, either.

I feel a bit sorry for Bale. Having been 'unhealthy' in the mental realms, I have real sympathy for him and his seemingly uncontrollable rages...and even more sympathy for the people around him.

And here we go. Bless him. http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/2009...ovies_eo/98799

AG

[allie_b]

No, Uranus does not make for explosiveness as I have Uranus opposite my Moon in Aries and I am *not* explosive, have never Baled. Nor do I throw temper tantrums, (nor stomping or screaming) not even as a child. I have a pretty even temperment, as mentioned previously.

Uranus is not related to explosiveness, traditionally.

I don't feel bad for perpetrators like Bale but for their victims, like the crew guy.

He apologized because he got caught.

Originally Posted by archergirl

My 1st house Mars is in Pisces, so it's not a particularly 'temperamental' Mars. In fact, with this placement, I'd rather *not* fight...but I do love martial arts!

I think it's the Uranus aspects that make for explosiveness...I am, for example, 'irritable' (Uranus square Mercury), but hardly explosive, unless really, really riled. It takes a LOT of pushing for me to lose it, but then I don't back down (Mars exact sextile to Saturn, I think).

My daughter has more of this 'Uranian' energy. She is remarkably affable but every once in awhile just throws a 'wobbly' and has a spectacular temper tantrum: stomping, screaming, etc. Completely out of place with the rest of her very warm and loving personality. That's the opposition talking.

Having said that, my son has Mars in Taurus, conjunct his Sun. He is very quiet most of the time, but apropo to the Taurus Mars, he doesn't get mad easily, but once he does, he stays mad, for a loooong time. It doesn't help having a Scorpio rising, either.

I feel a bit sorry for Bale. Having been 'unhealthy' in the mental realms, I have real sympathy for him and his seemingly uncontrollable rages...and even more sympathy for the people around him.

AG

[archergirl]

Uranus is not related to explosiveness, traditionally.

It's related to sudden, unexpected and erratic actions; combined with an opposition, I would say that this aspect IS associated with explosions, because of the instability of a) Uranus and b) an opposition.

You might have other mitigating things in your chart to mellow the erratic tendencies of this aspect; my daughter, as I've mentioned, has this aspect, and I would describe her tantrums as explosive, because they appear out of nowhere.

I suspect your distaste for Bale's temper has everything to do with your own personal experiences, and less to do with the astrology of it. Me, I can sympathise with it, having been there myself. He apologised, probably right afterward, because he felt like a prat. Not because he got caught. If you read the article.

AG

[allie_b]

We can agree to disagree.

I would attribute volcanic anger and explosiveness to Pluto, if I had to single out one planet.

I believe that Bale's rant was inexcusable. And he seems to agree with me.

Originally Posted by archergirl

It's related to sudden, unexpected and erratic actions; combined with an opposition, I would say that this aspect IS associated with explosions, because of the instability of a) Uranus and b) an opposition.

You might have other mitigating things in your chart to mellow the erratic tendencies of this aspect; my daughter, as I've mentioned, has this aspect, and I would describe her tantrums as explosive, because they appear out of nowhere.

I suspect your distaste for Bale's temper has everything to do with your own personal experiences, and less to do with the astrology of it. Me, I can sympathise with it, having been there myself. He apologised, probably right afterward, because he felt like a prat. Not because he got caught. If you read the article.

AG

[Voxx]

Originally Posted by Matthew The Astrologer

Wow. I'm kinda surprised no one here has said anything about Christian Bale's recent famous (and, as it turns out, somewhat justified) on-set rant about an errant crewmember.

Greetings,

I tried to post this last week on the board, but here's my whole Astrological take on Christian Bale's infamous blowout!

Btw, I studied his chart quite extensively, and it wasn't his Mars at fault, but Venus in Aries entering his 6th House, which was to blame. Check it out at voxx(dot)org:

LVX,
Voxx

[MTTY05]

My non-astrological viewpoint is that he really needs help. Anyone who goes on a long angry rant like that seriously needs to seek professional help.

[winterseye]

Well sorry for being so basic here, but just looking at his pluto house position gives you an idea of how intense he could be, particularly when it comes to work.


... from astro.com

Pluto in the Fifth House 5th hs
You like to play for very high stakes, and whether you win or lose, it is the experience of putting everything on the line that appeals to you. You must learn not to take everything so seriously, however, because your attitude makes it impossible for you to have fun. Also you and others around you get so stirred up that fights, arguments and disputes break out in situations that should have been just good times.
Whatever you do for fun, you get wrapped up in it completely.



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Pluto in the Sixth House 6th hs
You approach work with great intensity, and you prefer tasks that involve you completely. You like to shut out everything else and simply be involved in what you are doing.
Also you prefer to work by yourself, and you do not care to have people interfering with the way you do things. You should be careful of your health, for otherwise you will have a number of serious health crises in your life.
Pluto in this position can be a sign that you might work in some area involving investigation, research, psychology or secret projects.