Event chart for giving up an addiction

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by waybread

Neptune Rising, I would sure look to Saturn, either natally or in transit or progressed planets in aspect to it.

Neptune rules addictions, Saturn rules doing what is Good For You, or doing what you know you should do, even if it is just a bearcat to achieve. He is Dr. Reality-Check.

Mm this is interesting, thanks very much Waybread!

I have natally Saturn doing an inconjunct transit to natal 4th house Chiron. Transiting Chiron is also doing a sextile to natal Chiron. And transiting Uranus is of course opposite tr Saturn, so somehow there is a yod there pointing to transiting Saturn. Perhaps this is not so much highlighting my addiction as tr Saturn is in the 9th (thoughs about travel and emigrating).

Transiting Jupiter will make a sextile to my 12th house/Ascendant natal Neptune, perhaps this will help? It will also conjunct natal Mercury/Venus which rules my 6th house. Ah ha, I may have found the clue... My Mercury/Venus conjunction sits in my 2nd house, so my health relates to my self esteem, and these sextile natal 12th Neptune. I'm really hoping this Jupiter transit will help with this and not expand it too much.

NR

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by Joseph Ledzion

But also, the 12th and 6th houses are shown to be very much involved in the process of healing, and having the Sun and Jupiter in the 12th (which is possible at this time) is probably the most positive indication you could have, with Pisces Rising. That would create safety in the house of addictions.

Personally, another thing to consider is the upcoming Venus Retrograde. Right now we are in the shadow of her station Direct in April.

Also, when we dream about smoking, often it has to do with feeling luxurious, in terms of ego.

Thanks very much Joseph!

Would the Venus retrograde be a bad time to give up, as changing my mind might happen once direct again?

That is so true about the ego and smoking! Its something to look forward to, a little frequent treat, even though it usually tastes awful, smells awful, the power of pleasing the ego overcomes that.

So maybe when Venus is retrograde, these luxurious times might not seem so appealing, so a good time to give up.

Thanks for the advice

I wish I had the chart for the last time I gave up!
NR

[waybread]

Another thing, in addition to some kind of Saturn transit, (to Neptune, to the ruler of your 12 or 6th, in the 1st, &c.) that you might consider is: "What do you want in your life that smoking harms, more than you want smoking?"

People could have all kinds of answers to this one. I smoked like most everybody else I knew when I was a university student, but I quit because I have always loved hiking in the Great Outdoors, and smoking was just cutting my wind. For someone else, it might be not teaching their child that smoking is OK because Mummy does it, or not exposing the child to second-hand smoke. Or just not wanting an addiction.

I agree with Joseph that Saturn is incredibly important, also because Saturn rules old age. Many young adults can smoke with few ill effects, but these really catch up with them when they are older. Smoking exacerbates most other types of health problems.

If you can get a handle on what in your life is more important than smoking, then maybe look at its planetary ruler/s, and use their powerful transits to strengthen your involvement with those things, for example, your athletic pursuits (Mars), your children's (5th house, sun) wellness, or your own health (Virgo, 1st or 6th house), &c, &c.

May the Force be with you, quitters!

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

I agree with JosephLedzion - if you feel the urge to quit - then quit. If it is truly your intuition leading you, then it will be in tandem with compatible astrological placements anyway.

One other thought: One of the biggest factors in quitting an addiction is understanding what is fueling it - in your unique case. Smoking addiction can have any number of root causes driving it. If you know what the psychological factor is, you know more what you are going to have to change to remedy the situation.

Have you considered doing a horary as to why you smoke? ( Had to get the psychological factor in there, Kai) I did ask that horary question when the idea came to me. So, if you would want to use that, I asked: Why does she smoke? at 11:15pm on 2-04-09 in Summersville, WV, USA. -- or you could ask it again yourself. That would probably be a separate thread, though.)

Ah thanks FL
Yes thats what I did last time, though I think I used a full moon to help a bit but I had true intention then. I know what sort of situation led me to start again (a short relationship), I think I should look at why that effected me so. I guess I haven't really taken the time to look at this properly. Probably avoided it by smoking! Thank you so much for the advice, its something I'm going to do now things seem to be settling down.

I did a horary asking the question, why do I smoke, its quite revealing! Myself and the 12th ruler are Mercury, and Saturn rules the 5th and sits in the 12th!

NR

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Yes thats what I did last time, though I think I used a full moon to help a bit but I had true intention then

:S I completely forgot about Moon phase. Thanks.

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

:S I completely forgot about Moon phase. Thanks.

So did I until then!
Thank you Kai, you've been a great mundane chartist help!
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by waybread

Another thing, in addition to some kind of Saturn transit, (to Neptune, to the ruler of your 12 or 6th, in the 1st, &c.) that you might consider is: "What do you want in your life that smoking harms, more than you want smoking?"

If you can get a handle on what in your life is more important than smoking, then maybe look at its planetary ruler/s, and use their powerful transits to strengthen your involvement with those things, for example, your athletic pursuits (Mars), your children's (5th house, sun) wellness, or your own health (Virgo, 1st or 6th house), &c, &c.

This really helped me last time, thinking of the things I value, health, jogging, feeling healthy, tasting food properly, smelling like anything other than an ashtray, the list is endless!

Excellent, I'll try and use this Jupiter transit to my Mer/Ven conjunction at 11 Aqua-6th/5th/7th/9th/10th house rulers to help me. Hopefully Jupiter might be able to teach me something.

Thanks again so much!
NR

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

As for the Moon though, working with a full moon is silly. You want a waning one.

[freedomlover]

As for the Moon though, working with a full moon is silly. You want a waning one.

Yeah, I thought of telling you that after I posted last night. I read somewhere that the couple of days right before a New Moon - the "dark of the moon" is a great time for "banishing" things from your life you no longer want. I've had a lot of issues drop off of me during this time of the moon cycle, particularly if I had set my intention during the New Moon in the same sign appx. 30 days prior. (If that made sense)

[Neptune Rising]

Ah of course, what was I thinking! Thanks alot Kaiousi and Freedomlover, waning Moon is an excellent idea.
I just checked for the next time its in the dark phase, and the next day I have a Lunar Return on the new Moon. The LR asc is conjunct my own natal Ascendant. I have a Mercury return a day before. That must be auspicious, hopefully! The closing of some sort of phase.

Thanks again so very much, I'm hopeful
NR

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by rogue_red

P.S I too want to quit smoking

Good luck rogue, I hope you do it!!

NR

[rogue_red]

Thanks neptune

I have chosen a time and date. Could somebody have a look and tell me is it good?

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I have put neptune in 8th with pluto in 6th hoping pluto will destroy neptune for my health
Only problem is stupid mercury. As ruler of the 12th hes sitting pretty in 7th but he is ruled by saturn which is weak in virgo in 3rd but merc and saturn have mutual reception and saturn is in merc house and sign. Does this weaken saturn?
Stoopid planets doing stoopid things grrr
Please help me

Rogue red

[waybread]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

As for the Moon though, working with a full moon is silly. You want a waning one.

Well, not exactly silly. It depends upon the stage of a project. A new project would benefit from a new moon. Conclusion of an ongoing project would benefit from a waning moon, notably in the 4th quarter.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Waybread, I meant given the context of the situation. Full Moon with quitting smoking was silly, not for everything.

Red...
The mutual reception between Saturn and Mercury is going to make Mercury the same strength as Luna. This is bad. This probably means that your smoking attempt will be thwarted due to stress (Saturn lord of the Eighth). Luna's last aspect will be an opposition to an equally powerful Mercury, stress and clash.

[rogue_red]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

Waybread, I meant given the context of the situation. Full Moon with quitting smoking was silly, not for everything.

Red...
The mutual reception between Saturn and Mercury is going to make Mercury the same strength as Luna. This is bad. This probably means that your smoking attempt will be thwarted due to stress (Saturn lord of the Eighth). Luna's last aspect will be an opposition to an equally powerful Mercury, stress and clash.

Ok so can i utilise the mutual reception between saturn and merc by placing merc as the first house lord?

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Maybe. I guess that would make the addiction the Sun (which could be good) or Venus (which would be good too).

[serafin5]

Great thread!!! So how did everybody do? Did everybody quit smoking?

Curious,
S5

[Anachiel]

Neptune, perhaps instead of looking to create an election time to drop the addiction you should instead focus on finding a proper time to be a success (at whatever you want to do).

The Art of electional astrology is not so much the intention as it is the focus. Focusing on someting you want to leave is like looking backwards and trying to walk forwards. Instead, look forward at what you want and leave the other behind.

In this case, you would (usually) strongly fortify the ASC and ensure help from the benefics. But, you already know that it is not the planets that drive you to smoke....

[Neptune Rising]

Hi all!
Sorry I forgot all about this thread! A few years ago, I did try stopping smoking (roll ups) a few times but didnt succeed. I was working in an office and I guess it was part of my habit and way of getting out of the office - getting up from my desk and going outside for a smoke. At the end of 2009, I got laid off suddenly. A month later I gave up smoking, it was a spur of the moment decision, well sort of considering I'd tried all those times previously. I didn't use any charts, or any patches or other aids. I just had enough of smoking. I wish I could remember the day I gave up, but it was in January or February 2010.

I think I was partly spurred on my my Jupiter return. Maybe also Saturn transit to my 10th house also adding structure. It was time to get my life together. I stopped working in offices and worked towards teaching yoga, what I'd dreamt of for years. I also haven't smoked since, and no cravings either, except the first few weeks after giving up. But my determination to change my life was so strong, it helped keep me going. Ironically, at that time, I also had all the time in the world as I wasn't working - one may think that's the worst time to give up, but as I know best, that is just an excuse. What also partly helped is me breaking the pattern that I was stuck in - working, taking a smoke break.

Thanks all for your kind help with the charts!

[astrokat]

I'm glad to hear you were successful in your quit!

I went back to look at the transits of my natal chart on my quit date (02 NOV 09) and Pluto had just crossed my ascendant.