Hopeless romantic due to chart

[Jayski]

Hey, let me first introduce myself, I am new to this site. I was first introduced into the idea of natal charts 1 or 2 years ago (i have a terrible memory) by a friend and due to his "misinterpretations" (i believe he just wouldn't admit he was wrong), I lost interest. Well, I'm deciding to pick it up where I left off, myself.

Now, to the question, I am a very hopeless romantic (by that i mean i get rejected by every girl ive known ), and i was wondering if there was anything in my natal chart that could at least tell me why this is and how to fix it.

Much appretiation to whoever can solve this puzzle, Im tired of being dateless lol.

My chart: http://s344.photobucket.com/albums/p...BirthChart.png

[astrop86]

I see that Venus (love) and Neptune (dreams, illusion) causing some problems... I've got one myself.

[alcyone]

Edit:
Ack, wrote this right as Joseph was hitting send with a broader more detailed and interesting response!
/End edit

I am still new to this so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I would like to try my hand at figuring this out.

Mercury in your first house sextile to Venus may show that you are probably quite the charmer and have a way with words. Then, Mercury squares Jupiter which is in your fifth house ruled by Leo (which I think is usually flamboyant) dealing with romance. Perhaps, this sends you after women just based on their beauty and not who they are as a person? Or maybe you use too much charm which has an unfornuate affect of putting them on guard and they think you are simply lying and have other intentions instead of romance.

[Joseph Ledzion]

You use relationships as a means of understanding how to overcome all the obsticles that you feel are inside you. If you don't have relationships, then it means you don't believe you are worth Yourself.

You want to release your suffering, very much so. You will continue to look to relationships for self esteem, because you are not ready yet to summon the limitless strength within your soul.

You are very strong, you are unstoppable.... why depend upon a relationship to make you feel good ?

If your relationship to your mother isn't so great, you need to be working on that instead.

Having the Moon conjunct Pluto like that is a big deal, it gives you regenerative powers. You can heal fast. Which is good because of all the extreme emotional philosophies you are learning ! Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio is the most powerful sexual aspect you can have, so use it. It's opposite Venus in the 3rd, so you don't understand in your mind that you are worth anything.

Stop using your logic, and trust your instincts. This is your problem.

Your chart ruler is placed in the house of illness, and is under some very chilling effects of Saturn. Be careful with your health....

Right now Saturn is in your 7th house -- relationships, and this is the reason why they are especially such a big deal to you.

Saturn will leave in October.

Use this time to learn about how you use other people as emotional safety nets for your feelings, instead of doing serious internal digging by yourself. You think of people as not liking you, when it is You who doesn't like you. When you summon the strength within yourself, and find the courage within your Essense and being, your life will change. Your problem is lack of good health in general, so exercize.

I use whole sign houses, for anyone else reading this, trying to make sense out of the house scheme.

I hope this helps you. Good Luck! Peace be with you.

Joseph Ledzion
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[astrop86]

Hmm, your chart looks a bit like mine, with the whole Scorpio Pluto-Moon conjunction, which I took as very powerful and controlling emotions. I also notice Mars right at your IC, which if I recall is typically bad karma from the past that you need to burn off. Be careful with that sex drive and emotions, that's all I'm gonna say.

[Jayski]

Originally Posted by Joseph Ledzion

You use relationships as a means of understanding how to overcome all the obsticles that you feel are inside you. If you don't have relationships, then it means you don't believe you are worth Yourself.

You want to release your suffering, very much so. You will continue to look to relationships for self esteem, because you are not ready yet to summon the limitless strength within your soul.

You are very strong, you are unstoppable.... why depend upon a relationship to make you feel good ?

If your relationship to your mother isn't so great, you need to be working on that instead.

Having the Moon conjunct Pluto like that is a big deal, it gives you regenerative powers. You can heal fast. Which is good because of all the extreme emotional philosophies you are learning ! Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio is the most powerful sexual aspect you can have, so use it. It's opposite Venus in the 3rd, so you don't understand in your mind that you are worth anything.

Stop using your logic, and trust your instincts. This is your problem.

Your chart ruler is placed in the house of illness, and is under some very chilling effects of Saturn. Be careful with your health....

Right now Saturn is in your 7th house -- relationships, and this is the reason why they are especially such a big deal to you.

Saturn will leave in October.

Use this time to learn about how you use other people as emotional safety nets for your feelings, instead of doing serious internal digging by yourself. You think of people as not liking you, when it is You who doesn't like you. When you summon the strength within yourself, and find the courage within your Essense and being, your life will change. Your problem is lack of good health in general, so exercize.

I use whole sign houses, for anyone else reading this, trying to make sense out of the house scheme.

I am always available for full readings over the phone, just let me know.

I hope this helps you. Good Luck! Peace be with you.

Joseph Ledzion
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Wow, quite detailed. And accurate, might I add. I've known for the longest time I do have pretty low self-worth. It's not like I haven't been working to fix it, its just that nothing sticks, I seem to find a new reason to tear myself down all the time.
And your talking about my health does worry me a little. I do realize I am quite overweight (5'9 and 230 lbs), but I rarely get sick or have any illnesses. Currently, though, I am actually working to loose it. Well, more like replace it with muscle, I won't ever have a small frame, that's for sure.
I've always blamed it on my physical apperance (I fit nearly every description of the physical aspects of rising pisces, except for watery blue eyes), but honestly i still think it plays the biggest part in my "luck" with women. I will, however, be looking in myself to see what I do wrong. Thanks for this reading.

Btw, you have a point with my over-use of logic. My gut instinct is generally the right one, but I overthink and choose the wrong answer. I thought that was funny.

[astrologer50]

I use Equal house, but most on here use Placiduds..... each to their own. Only by study, research and reading and using foruum like this will you 'see yourself' clearly in your own natal chart

As has already been mentioned, your moon conj Pluto opp Venus is your main problem. Pisces on Asc could be dreamy, over idealising romance, not seeing things clearly, deposited in 10th. No strong social image perhaps.

Venus, moon in aspect to Pluto can be obsessive,controlling, demanding, highly sexed, cos it is in 8th house and will always want deep and meaningful.

In male chart the type of women you should go for are your Venus and Moon, both in highly romantic sexual signs, but libra on Descendant suggest they may be charming, but procrastinating, indecisive, bit like yourself IF your time of birth is correct. Aries sun in first house is SO direct and to the point, it can be rather hard for others to cope with blunt in your face statements.
Jupiter in your 5th house of romance suggests lots of opportunities at least for romance. So practise, practise and more practise then

[wilsontc]

Jayski,

You said:

Originally Posted by Jayski

Now, to the question, I am a very hopeless romantic (by that i mean i get rejected by every girl ive known ), and i was wondering if there was anything in my natal chart that could at least tell me why this is and how to fix it.

I use Placidus charts.

The planet of relationships is Venus and you have your Venus (relationships) trine (energy goes easily with) Neptune (spirituality, also idealization), your Venus is trine Uranus (friends), and your Venus is opposite (energy is over-excited by) Pluto (transformation, also control, power). As has been mentioned Venus trine Neptune indicates you "idealize" your relationships and are on a "quest" for the "perfect relationship". The challenge is to realize there is no such thing as a "perfect relationship" and that ALL relationships require work.

Neptune tends to "dissolve" whatever it is near, and it is near Uranus (friends), so you probably aren't as aware of the Uranian energy. But it is still there. You have Venus trine Uranus (friends), so on another lever you want a "friendly" relationship, close but not TOO close. You might be (without realizing it) distancing yourself from successfully possible relationships simply because you don't want to get "too close".

The other issue is Venus opposite Pluto. An opposition in a chart indicates issues with other people, so either you identify with the Venus part or you identify with the Pluto part. This means either the other people try to overpower your relationships or you try to overpower other people in their relationships. It sounds like you strongly identify with Venus and so the "big bad world" out there is the Pluto trying to control and overpower you in relationships. The challenge is to realize you are BOTH sides of this opposition, and that if you work on SHARING control and power in a relationship and letting go the need for being "in control", then you can work out these situations.

In addition you have no planets focused in the 7th house (relationships), so you don't have relationships simply to have relationships. That means you want something MORE than "just a relationship" and that you don't naturally focus on how you can better relate to others. This doesn't cut you off from relationships, but it does mean you have to have the "right" relationship with someone in order for things to "click" between you and them.

And finally...relationships take time, luck, and a LOT of going back and forth with dating. It isn't clear from your post if you are being rejected for a date...or if you are being rejected for a relationship. If girls are simply turning you down for a date...that's EASY to solve: ask more girls! Getting a girl to go out with you on a date is a "numbers game". The more you ask, the more likely one is to say, "Yes!"

Relating in the real world,

Tim