Dipping my toes in the water...

[astrop86]

Hello all, I very recently started taking up an interest in astrology about a week ago, as I've never considered myself religious in any sense, but did have a sense of spirituality. One which, despite the past seven or eight years of destruction and misfortune in my life (I'm still trying to figure out what caused that whole chain of events and why I didn't see some of it coming), I'm surprised I'm still open to that level of vulnerability again.

Anyway, as a young scientist, I'm naturally very analytical and searching for Truth, yet at the same time, I'm also willing to look beyond just the physical world for that Truth, provided there is some proof to justify the claims.

I went ahead and created my natal chart and attempted to make some connections, though it would be helpful if someone could explain the deeper meanings of them. I've tried reading a few sites online, as well as through the forum, to get a general gist of how things go. I'm quickly trying to learn the twelve houses, but can't seem to understand how they work together across the red (challenges) and blue (strengths) lines. Would someone be willing to help guide me and teach me a bit, as I'm getting lost around this stage: geocities.com / wilsontctc / Step_5_Adding_pictures ?


As far as initial readings, here's what I've got so far in a small text file on my computer:

Sun sign: Leo
Moon sign: Scorpio
Asc sign: Virgo

Introvert

Self: 6 Depends on self
Others: 4

~ 0 degrees: Descendent: Extreme Other
~ 90 degrees: Midheaven: Extreme Outer
~ 180 degrees: Ascendent: Extreme Self - Saturn
~ 270 degrees: Imum Coeli: Extreme Inner

Beginnings:

Venus: 4 Libra 53'35" Physical
Libra modifies Venus focused on Relationships

Pluto: 4 Scorpio 45'46" Thinking Intensifies
Scorpio modifies Pluto focused on Transformation

Moon: 11 Scorpio 51'10" Thinking
Scorpio modifies Moon focused on Transformation

Saturn: 3 Sagittarus 5'10" stationary Thinking
Sagittarus modifies Saturn focused on Transformation

* Four signs indicates person focuses on developing themselves personally

Development:

Uranus: 18 Sagitarrus 27'23" retrograde Home
Sagitarrus modifies Uranus focused on Duty

Neptune: 3 Capricorn 19'37" retrograde Home
Capricorn modifies Neptune focused on Duty

Mars: 11 Capricorn 25'1" stationary Self-Expression
Capricorn modifies Mars focused on Friends

Achievement:

Jupiter: 21 Pisces 21'48" retrograde Relationships
Pisces modifies Jupiter focused on Physical

Maturity:

Mercury: 0 Leo 37'36" Friends
Leo modifies Mercury focused on Self-Expression

Sun: 19 Leo 29'24" Spiritual
Leo modifies Sun focused on Daily Work


True Node: 22 Aries 57'12" direct
Aries modifies True Node focused on Physical

Chiron: 20 Gemini 3'40" "Healer"
Gemini modifies Chiron focused on Home

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Virgo Rising Sign


I'm not sure if I did the astro-sentences right, as they don't seem to really fit my personality at all based off of the descriptions of alabe.com and astro.com when they generate the various readings.

It would be helpful to figure out what caused that calm that I managed to get myself to this past Sunday night, as well as what other events I should watch out for, as I seem to keep getting blindsided through my naivety, and while my spirit may be strong (Sun in Leo in 12th house), the emotions have been rather badly burned through life.

I'm also not sure if my current location would help anyone, but I'm in Virginia Beach, VA area for a good part of 20 out of the past 22 years of my life.

[astrop86]

Sorry to double post, but I'm starting to at least recognize squares and trines, now, which means I've got a few things down. I don't have a clue what the effects on any of these are, nor on what the effect of the Ascendent is, but here's a shot:

Leo Sun square Scorpio Moon (red)
Libra Venus square Cap. Neptune (red)
a weakened Pis square Sag. Uranus (red)
Pisces Jupiter square Cap. Uranus
Sag. Saturn square Ascendent

----
Leo Sun trine Sag Uranus (blue)
Leo Mercury (barely) trine Sag Saturn (blue) (practicality?)
Cap Mars trine Ascendant (not sure what the Ascendant does)
Cap Neptune trine Ascendant (same as above)
----
Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio (might explain heightened emotions, depression, anxiety, etc etc)

Not sure what the sextiles mean, but here:

Scorpio Moon sextile Capricorn Mars
Scorpio Moon sextile Ascendant
Leo Mercury sextile Libra Venus
Libra Venus sextile Sag. Saturn
Capricorn Neptune sextile Scorpio Pluto
Scorpio Pluto sextile Ascendant

Not sure what the quincruxes, mean, but here they are:

Leo Sun quincrux Pisces Jupiter (green lines)
Leo Mercury quincrux Neptune


Explain?

[waybread]

welcome, astrop86! Good luck on your astro-journeys!

To get you started in chart reading, I would recommend moderator Tim Wilson's website, which will lead you through the process of chart reading, step by step.

I would also recommend a book or two, available at New Age book stores or via an Internet book seller. One is Steven Forrest, The Inner Sky--a good primer. The other is Robert Hand, Planets in Youth: good for people of any age.

I would suggest that you continue to think of a horoscope as giving you "astro sentences", in which:

(1) a planet is the "what", or the noun or subject of a sentence.
(2) a sign shows "how" or "in what manner" a planet operates.
(3) a house shows "where" or the "domain of life" in which a planet or sign operates.
(4) an aspect also shows "how" or "in what manner" a planet operates--but together with one or more other planets.

Obviously it gets more complicated than this, but hopefully this will get you started. Consequently, you can see that "cookbook" formulae have some value, but if you multiply 10 planets time 12 signs and 12 houses, there are too many data bytes to fit tidily into neat personality descriptions. Astrology is a grand work of synthesis of many data bits and pieces.

One problem that I have with a lot of pop astrology is that it deals with signs as though they were simply a collection of fixed personality traits. I would rather think of signs as having some kind of growth-oriented goal or end-point. With Leo, it is self-expression. With Scorpio, it is experiencing the truth on a very emotionally intense level. With Virgo, it is a quest for perfection, forwarded by an analytical approach to life.

Re; aspects:

oppositions mean two planets' interests oppose one another.
quincunx (150 degrees) mean they don't understand one another: an adjustment is required.
trines mean harmony and easy flow of energy
squares mean challenges: the "itch" that won't "scratch"
sextiles mean excitement
conjunction means two or more planets function together, like a very close couple.

[astrop86]

Yeah, I tried Tim's website. I got about as far as the fifth page before I started getting frustrated with it. I did try a few of the astro sentences, but haven't a clue if I got any of them right.

[waybread]

OK, so the way I would look at it is like this: Mercury and Saturn are the "what" or noun/subject. Mercury generally means your thought patterns and communication. Saturn can show where we feel limited and not-good-enough, but also where structure, self-discipline, and hard work can pay off. As An energy, Mercury makes connections, whereas Saturn tends to both limit things and make them more concrete.

In Cancer, Mercury wants to act with deep feelings and emotion (in a sentence a sign works like an adverb or adjective.) "Feelingly". "Emotionally." In Sagittarius, planets like to expand and maybe philosophize. This is a bit out-of-character for limiting, concrete Saturn, but in Sag we might say that Saturn acts expansively, yet within careful structures.

Your Mercury is in the 11th house of friends and organizations (and wishes for the future) whereas Saturn is in your thought and communication house. Hmmm...we see a pattern here. Saturn is also closely conjunct your 4th house cusp (home), whose natural ruler is the moon, the ruler of Cancer. So here is another pattern.

Then your Mercury and Saturn are trined, suggesting they operate like friends, rather than enemies or strangers.

To put this altogether, when you become more experienced, you will use additional chart info., but just to look at how far we've come. I would guess that:

You are a careful (Saturn) thinker (Mercury). You probably have good (trine) analytical abilities (Mercury) because you know how to discipline (Saturn) your thinking (Mercury) while at the same time, you don't lose sight of the human element (Cancer, 11th house) nor the Big Picture (Sagittarius. And note also that Mercury trine to Jupiter, the ruler of Sagittarius. More reinforcement!).

And to contine....just make sure that your very powerful emotions (Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio) don't harm (square) your good judgement (Mercury, Saturn in Sagittarius.)

But start by grasping your sun, moon, and rising sign. Then follow up with the other players.

I hope this helps.

[astrop86]

Yeah, very skilled analytically and am working to put that to good use (hopefully with graduate school next year). The emotions ... hehehe, yeah, they've only tried to self-destruct on me three or more times (with marks to show)

I am concerned about the squares of Venus and Mars and Venus and Neptune, especially in the 4th and 5th houses. I'm pulling this from Wikipedia as I'm still not sure where to study things online, but:

Venus: Relationships and partnerships of all kinds, romantic love, desire for beauty, harmony and co-operation, personal comforts and possessions, the arts, fashions and social life

Mars: Urge for action, personal energy and drive, assertiveness and aggression, sexuality and passions. Sport, physical activity and competition

Neptune: Mysticism, transcendence, psychic impulses, feelings of sensitivity and empathy, care of the sick, the mentally ill, animals, charities, religious institutions, hospitals, prisons, retreat from society, artistic inspiration, spirituality, vulnerability to drugs.

4th House: The home and family, the mother or mother figure, caring for someone or something. Conservation. The beginning and end of life.

5th House: Pleasures and leisure, holidays, games and gambling. Children. Creativity. Love affairs and sex for fun rather than a deep relationship.

I'm also worried about that Mars - Neptune conjunction in the 4th and 5th houses with the square coming out of Venus as well. Putting those patterns together ... well, I've seen the after effects, as they have unfortunately been a part of the past seven years of my life. Major karmic debt inherited from that.



Presently, the idea is just to skip relationships, dating, and marriage and just focus on the academics. It seems to be a lot safer of a route, in many regards.



It might be better for me to figure out a list of what the planets and signs do.

So far, I've got:

Aries: self-hood
Taurus: money, resources, self-worth, value
Gemini: communications
Cancer: ?
Leo: self-expression
Virgo: details, health, well-being
Libra: co-operation
Scorpio: passions
Sagittarius: ability to judge, "big picture", philosophy
Capricorn: control and organization
Aquarius: ideas
Pisces: beliefs

Sun: personal strength
Mercury: inner thoughts, intelligence
Venus: relationships and love
Mars: aggression, sexuality, competitiveness
Jupiter: personal growth,expansion
Saturn: contraction, limitations, control / caution
Uranus: invention, rebellious behavior
Neptune: sensitivity, mysticism, empathy, isolation
Pluto: intensification, wealth, power

Houses:
1st: Being
2nd: Physical
3rd: Thinking
4th: Home
5th: Self-Expression
6th: Daily Work
7th: Relationships
8th: Transformation
9th: Expansion
10th: Duty
11th: Friends
12th: Spiritual

Can you add in Cancer and make any corrections that I may have missed out?

[wilsontc]

Originally Posted by astrop86

Would someone be willing to help guide me and teach me a bit, as I'm getting lost around this stage: geocities.com / wilsontctc / Step_5_Adding_pictures ?


As far as initial readings, here's what I've got so far in a small text file on my computer:...

Self: 6 Depends on self
Others: 4...

Beginnings:

Venus: 4 Libra 53'35" Physical
Libra modifies Venus focused on Relationships

Pluto: 4 Scorpio 45'46" Thinking Intensifies
Scorpio modifies Pluto focused on Transformation

Moon: 11 Scorpio 51'10" Thinking
Scorpio modifies Moon focused on Transformation

Saturn: 3 Sagittarus 5'10" stationary Thinking
Sagittarus modifies Saturn focused on Transformation

* Four signs indicates person focuses on developing themselves personally

Development:

Uranus: 18 Sagitarrus 27'23" retrograde Home
Sagitarrus modifies Uranus focused on Duty

Neptune: 3 Capricorn 19'37" retrograde Home
Capricorn modifies Neptune focused on Duty

Mars: 11 Capricorn 25'1" stationary Self-Expression
Capricorn modifies Mars focused on Friends

Achievement:

Jupiter: 21 Pisces 21'48" retrograde Relationships
Pisces modifies Jupiter focused on Physical

Maturity:

Mercury: 0 Leo 37'36" Friends
Leo modifies Mercury focused on Self-Expression

Sun: 19 Leo 29'24" Spiritual
Leo modifies Sun focused on Daily Work...

I'm not sure if I did the astro-sentences right...

It might be better for me to figure out a list of what the planets and signs do.
Aries: self-hood...
Mars: aggression, sexuality, competitiveness...
Houses:
1st: Being

This is the reason why I created the astrological interpretation site: many books say things in such a way that beginners get to seeing signs, planets, and houses as being completely different, when actually the only difference between them is they have different FUNCTIONS. The SIGN is there to modify the PLANET, the PLANET is there to focus on the HOUSE. But there is a link between the sign, house, and planet in terms of MEANING. So, for example: Aries, Mars, and 1rst house are all about "being". So, instead of having three different definitions to memorize (a different one for the sign, the planet, and the house), you only have ONE "keyword" to memorize. This makes astrology simple and very easy to learn.

But even easy things take some amount of effort, so the MOST important thing is to learn "astro-sentencing". Once you "get that", you can do WHATEVER you want to do in astrology.

So enough with the promo and onto the lesson! Very nice job at getting started and starting to work out the astro-sentences! You now know that you focus more on yourself than on others, and this "self" focus is more about your "Beginnings" (i.e., you use your self-awareness to develop an awareness of your inner world). In addition, you also know (but didn't mention originally) that you focus more on your "inner world" (7 planets at the bottom (inner world) part of the chart and 3 planets at the top (outer world) part of the chart). This is NOT the same thing as being an "introvert" ("introvert" is a psychological not an astrological term), but simply that you focus "inside". For example, a stage actor has an "inner focus" since they are very focused on how they do in their stage performance...but certainly no one could call them "introverted"!

Referring back to the chart on Step 5:


Notice the "keyword" is for the SIGN and PLANET as well as for the HOUSE. The sign associated with the "keyword" is the picture OUTside the circle and the planet associated with the "keyword" is the picture INside the circle. So, for example, "Expansion" is about the 9th house but ALSO about Sagittarius (the picture outside the circle) and Jupiter (the picture inside the circle).

In your "astro-sentences" remember it is SIGN modifies PLANET focused on HOUSE. You wrote out the sign, planet, and house indications correctly on top but didn't seem to write them out correctly below. For example you wrote:

Venus: 4 Libra 53'35" Physical
Libra modifies Venus focused on Relationships

The top part is correct: the planet is Venus, the sign is Libra, and the house is the "Physical" house, but the bottom part indicates Venus is focused on the "Relationships" house which is NOT correct: as you indicated above, Venus is focused on the "Physical" house.

So let's first go through some of your astro-sentences and change them so they indicate the correct house:
- Libra modifies Venus focused on Physical
- Scorpio modifies Pluto focused on Thinking

Now do this for the remaining 8 "astro-sentences" so that they indicate the correct house and post your results here. For example, instead of "Libra modifies Venus focused on Relationships", the correct astro-sentence (listed above) is "Libra modifies Venus focused on Physical".

All we did in this step is to write out the "astro-sentence" in the form of SIGN modifies PLANET focused on HOUSE (and correct the house indications you originally put down).

Now I will add in some of the keywords, using the graphic above:
- Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking

There! Now you have an idea of how the astro-sentences work. Go over these examples, seeing how SIGN modifies PLANET focused on house. Go back to your 8 other "astro-sentences" and add in the sign and planet information and post your results here.

Yes, it takes a little effort and focus. But the result is you turn the impossible task of trying to convert many different definitions for each of the signs, planets, and houses into a much easier task of learning the 12 "keywords" that apply to the signs, planets, and houses.

Simply,

Tim

[astrop86]

Alright, here's another shot:

Venus: 4 Libra 53'35" Physical
Libra modifies Venus focused on Physical
* Co-operation of physical relationships and love (Um, no)

Pluto: 4 Scorpio 45'46" Thinking Intensifies
Scorpio modifies Pluto focused on Thinking
* Very intense emotions and passions


Moon: 11 Scorpio 51'10" Thinking
Scorpio modifies Moon focused on Thinking
* Very intense emotions (YES)

Saturn: 3 Sagittarus 5'10" stationary Thinking
Sagittarus modifies Saturn focused on Thinking
* Able to see the "big picture" when thinking and doing philosophy

* Four signs indicates person focuses on developing themselves personally

Development:

Uranus: 18 Sagitarrus 27'23" retrograde Home
Sagittarius modifies Uranus focused on Home
* Inable to judge rebellious behavior at home ?

Neptune: 3 Capricorn 19'37" retrograde Home
Capricorn modifies Neptune focused on Home
* Unable to control sensitivity and isolation at home?

Mars: 11 Capricorn 25'1" stationary Self-Expression
Capricorn modifies Mars focused on Self-Expression
* Controls aggression and sexuality in self-expression

Achievement:

Jupiter: 21 Pisces 21'48" retrograde Relationships
Pisces modifies Jupiter focused on Relationships
* Belief in personal growth of relationships
(hehe, yeah, right, I wouldn't be able to get a girlfriend to save my life)

Maturity:

Mercury: 0 Leo 37'36" Friends
Leo modifies Mercury focused on Friends
* Careful thought before choosing friends

Sun: 19 Leo 29'24" Spiritual
Leo modifies Sun focused on Spiritual
* Very strong internal spirit (YES)


True Node: 22 Aries 57'12" direct
Aries modifies True Node focused on Transformation
* This lifetime is meant to be transformation of the self
(and feels like I already ******* it up)

Chiron: 20 Gemini 3'40" "Healer"
Gemini modifies Chiron focused on Duty
* Able to communicate responsibilities to others, but unable to actually perform said responsibilities.


Someone check my work?

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You said:

Originally Posted by astrop86

Alright, here's another shot:
- Libra modifies Venus focused on Physical
- Scorpio modifies Pluto focused on Thinking
- Scorpio modifies Moon focused on Thinking
- Sagittarus modifies Saturn focused on Thinking
- Sagittarius modifies Uranus focused on Home
- Capricorn modifies Neptune focused on Home
- Capricorn modifies Mars focused on Self-Expression
- Pisces modifies Jupiter focused on Relationships
- Leo modifies Mercury focused on Friends
- Leo modifies Sun focused on Spiritual

Someone check my work?

Great! You added in the HOUSE information. So you have done the 1rst step of what I talked about. There is still one more step to do: add in the SIGN keywords and the PLANET keywords.

Referring back to the chart on Step 5:


Here is my original message, slightly edited

add in some of the keywords, using the graphic above:
- Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking

There! Now you have an idea of how the astro-sentences work. Go over these examples, seeing how the SIGN "keyword" modifies the PLANET "keyword" focused on house "keyword". Go back to your 8 other "astro-sentences" and add in the sign "keyword" and planet "keyword" information and post your results here.

You have "jumped into" trying to understand what the "astro-sentence" means without taking the time to write out each astro-sentence. So, for each of the remaining 8 planets above, write out the full astro-sentence. So write out the full "astro-sentence" (i.e., WITH the "keywords" for the signs and the planets) for these remaining planets:
- Scorpio modifies Moon focused on Thinking
- Sagittarus modifies Saturn focused on Thinking
- Sagittarius modifies Uranus focused on Home
- Capricorn modifies Neptune focused on Home
- Capricorn modifies Mars focused on Self-Expression
- Pisces modifies Jupiter focused on Relationships
- Leo modifies Mercury focused on Friends
- Leo modifies Sun focused on Spiritual

So write out the FULL "astro-sentence" for each of these 8 planets.

Step by step,

Tim

[astrop86]

Yet another attempt (persistence)

- Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical

- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking

- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (emotions) focused on Thinking

- Sagittarus ("big picture") modifies Saturn (control / limiting) focused on Thinking

- Sagittarius ("big picture") modifies Uranus (invention / rebellion) focused on Home

- Capricorn (control) modifies Neptune (isolation / sensitivity) focused on Home

- Capricorn (control) modifies Mars (aggression) focused on Self-Expression

- Pisces (beliefs) modifies Jupiter (personal growth) focused on Relationships

- Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking) focused on Friends

- Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (spirit) focused on Spiritual

[wilsontc]

astrop,

Great work! You are really coming along! I noticed you added in a few "alternate words" instead of the original 12 "keywords". This is tempting, but it will prevent you from seeing patterns in the keywords. For right now ONLY use the 12 "keywords" as given on the astrologigal website. I'm going to list out your "astro-sentences" putting BACK IN the "keywords". I also noticed that for one of the planets which has TWO keywords you only listed ONE, so I am adding in "[]" the missing keyword:
- Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking
- Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking
- Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home
- Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home
- Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression
- Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships
- Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends
- Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual

One simple thing we can do is to look at what "keyword" REPEATS in the "astro-sentence". If something repeats then it is IMPORTANT. The more times it repeats, the more important it is.

Now let's list out all the times a "keyword" appears MORE than once:
- "relationships" appears 3 times
- "physical" appears 2 times
- "transformation" appears 3 times
- "thinking" appears 4 times

Now list out all the other times each keyword is mentioned more than once. It will take a little effort, but you will start to see the "pattern underneath the picture".

Patterning,

Tim

[astrop86]

astrop,

I also noticed that for one of the planets which has TWO keywords you only listed ONE

I did ask earlier when I posted if I had gotten the keywords for each of the things correct, obviously I was a bit mistaken. Thank you for the corrections.

- Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking
- Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking
- Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking
- Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home
- Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home
- Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression
- Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships
- Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends
- Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual

Now list out all the other times each keyword is mentioned more than once. It will take a little effort, but you will start to see the "pattern underneath the picture".

daily-work appears 1 time
friends appears 1 time
being appears 1 time
physical appears 2 times
relationship appears 3 times
transformation appears 3 times
home appears 3 times
expansion appears 3 times
duty appears 3 times
spirituality appears 3 times
thinking appears 4 times
self-expression appears 4 times

[astrop86]

Okay, I tried to skip ahead to the next section on page 6, and here are the results so far, though I haven't inserted the retrogrades (delays) yet. Hopefully its right, as I've spent a few hours on it now, rather than doing my homework as I should have been.

Inferior Planets: Sun, Mercury, Venus, Moon
Superior Planets: Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

I used this rule in determining what affected what, ie, Neptune would affect Venus, not the other way around.

The terms were pulled from wilsontc's site, as well as wikipedia and the stair-step chart at the bottom of the natal charts on AstroDeist.

Conjunctions:

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking intensifies Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home intensifies Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression.

Squares:

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual..

Trines:

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual.

Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends

Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Sextiles:

Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression goes easily with Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking goes easily with Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home.

Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking goes easily with Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical goes easily with Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Quincrux:

Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships needs to be adjusted by Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home needs to be adjusted by Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Semi-sextile:

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking will need to make an effort on Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home will need to make an effort on Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking.

SesquiQuadrate

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home somewhat stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking somewhat stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You said:

Originally Posted by astrop86

daily-work appears 1 time
friends appears 1 time
being appears 1 time
physical appears 2 times
relationship appears 3 times
transformation appears 3 times
home appears 3 times
expansion appears 3 times
duty appears 3 times
spirituality appears 3 times
thinking appears 4 times
self-expression appears 4 times

Nice job! Notice that the "keywords" that appear MOST are "thinking" and "self-expression" indicating that "thinking things out" and "expressing yourself" are the most important thing. In other words, you want to get the details of things right and you want to be recognized for what you do.

Step by step,

Tim

[astrop86]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

astrop,

You said:


Nice job! Notice that the "keywords" that appear MOST are "thinking" and "self-expression" indicating that "thinking things out" and "expressing yourself" are the most important thing. In other words, you want to get the details of things right and you want to be recognized for what you do.

This part is very true. Do I go ahead and attempt to link up the planets as I did earlier using the same methodology, using the various phrases for square, conjunct, trine, sextile, etc etc?

I am a bit confused as to how and where retrograde, AC, and MC come into play, as I noticed I do have three retrograde planets in my natal chart.

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You said:

Originally Posted by astrop86

Conjunctions:

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking intensifies Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home intensifies Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression

Great job at writing out all the astro-sentences. Using other explanations of the aspects is fine, as long as you are consistent in how you apply them in the "astro-sentences". In other words, if you use the word "intensifies" for conjunction, ONLY use the word "intensifies" when writing out aspects (i.e., do not use some other word or words as a substitute for intensifies). For example, if you describe Venus conjunct Jupiter as Venus conjunct (intensifies) Jupiter in a chart, do not later write out Saturn conjunct (is combined with) Neptune. Use the same word or words: if you start out using "intensifies" use this word ALL the time. Making your wording consistent will eliminate a LOT of confusion in understanding what things mean in the chart.

Which brings me to your "astro-sentence"...what does this mean?:
Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking intensifies Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking

This means:
There is a LOT of transformation being focused on thinking

Now it is your turn. Go through each of your aspect "astro-sentences" and write them out in one phrase that gets to the "heart" of what the aspect information is all about.

Step by step,

Tim

Small correction: the aspect is called a "quincunx".

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You asked:

Originally Posted by astrop86

I am a bit confused as to how and where retrograde, AC, and MC come into play, as I noticed I do have three retrograde planets in my natal chart.

Don't think about retrograde planets (or other non-planet things) for right now. Retrogrades are EXTRA information that goes beyond sign/planet/house combinations. To keep things simple and make sure you get the basics, ONLY look at your aspect "astro-sentences".

Taking it slowly,

Tim

Edit: I have attached your chart below, with fewer aspects than at astro.com

[astrop86]

Alright, let's try this a bit by bit. I'll just do the conjunctions, squares, and trines in this post to make sure I'm doing it right first. (Thank you wilsontc btw for being patient and willing to help me). However, these will be seen through a prism of experience of my life so far.


Conjunctions:

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking intensifies Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking.

As you said, a lot of transformations in thinking.


Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home intensifies Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression.

A strong sense of self-expression by feeling an obligation to be spiritual.
(Eh, I've honestly been one to reject most religions, as the only one I found interesting and worth substance to be Buddhism at most).

Squares:

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Physical relationships are suppressed by a spiritual duty at home.
(Religion plays little to no role in my home life)

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships.

(Need some help here, the expansions are confusing me)

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Transformational thinking causes issues in considering my outward appearance towards friends.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Physical relationships are hampered by a sense of duty and self-expression.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual..

Spiritual self-expression is hampered by transformational thinking in the home.


Trines:

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual.

Spiritual self-expression is expanded or reinforced by friends or family.
(Only makes some sense in very limited circumstances)

Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends

Spiritual expansion in relationships helps me think about how to express myself around friends.
(Um, that makes no sense)

Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.

Expansion of a sense of duty helps me think about how I express myself around friends.


Yeah, I'm gonna need a lot of help here. Could you expand a bit more on the roles of self-expression and expansion?

[astrop86]

Wilsontc, I saw the new chart that you listed, but it seems some of the aspects were changed. A lot of the trines are missing

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You said:

Originally Posted by astrop86

Wilsontc, I saw the new chart that you listed, but it seems some of the aspects were changed. A lot of the trines are missing

I have come to the point where I need to use a different chart than astro.com. It's an OK chart for general use, but now that we are "drilling down" in the details of the chart, the astro.com chart uses some very wide aspects which, in my opinion, are too wide. So, in the new chart (posted above), you only have two trines and the Neptune conjunct Mars goes away. I have also only listed aspects between planets so any other aspects to points in the chart also go away.

More coming soon,

Tim

[astrop86]

Ah, okay. How much will that affect the interpretations and such? I thought the more we knew, the better?

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You asked:

Originally Posted by astrop86

Ah, okay. How much will that affect the interpretations and such? I thought the more we knew, the better?

It's good to "know more", but if we "know" about something that isn't there then we get an untrue sense of things. By limiting the size of aspects, we focus in on the interconnections that are "really there" in the chart and come to see things how they are.

Really really,

Tim

[astrop86]

Okay, so far, these are the main things I pull out:

* I think I see a YOD pointing at Leo Mercury in the 11th house (?)

* I interpret the Venus square Neptune as "quit daydreaming about the perfect love, you aren't going to find it" (far too much Disney-fication of relationships growing up)

* I see the Venus square Mars as "stop being so aggressive in love, its not going to happen"

* I see a bit of the Sun trine Uranus as expressing a strong rebellious nature

* Finally, that blasted Moon - Pluto conjunction squaring with the Sun and Mercury that causes very intense emotional mood swings. What fun that brings.

[wilsontc]

astrop,

You said:

Originally Posted by astrop86

Alright, let's try this a bit by bit. I'll just do the conjunctions, squares, and trines in this post to make sure I'm doing it right first...However, these will be seen through a prism of experience of my life so far.

Conjunctions:

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking intensifies Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking.
As you said, a lot of transformations in thinking.

Squares:

Capricorn (duty) modifies Neptune (spirituality) focused on Home stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.

Physical relationships are suppressed by a spiritual duty at home.
(Religion plays little to no role in my home life)

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships.
(Need some help here, the expansions are confusing me)

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Pluto (transformation) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.
Transformational thinking causes issues in considering my outward appearance towards friends.

Capricorn (duty) modifies Mars (being) focused on Self-Expression stresses Libra (relationships) modifies Venus (physical/relationships) focused on Physical.
Physical relationships are hampered by a sense of duty and self-expression.

Scorpio (transformation) modifies Moon (home) focused on Thinking stresses Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual..
Spiritual self-expression is hampered by transformational thinking in the home.

Trines:

Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spiritual.
Spiritual self-expression is expanded or reinforced by friends or family.
(Only makes some sense in very limited circumstances)

Sagittarus (expansion) modifies Saturn (duty) focused on Thinking helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Mercury (thinking[/daily work]) focused on Friends.
Expansion of a sense of duty helps me think about how I express myself around friends.


Yeah, I'm gonna need a lot of help here. Could you expand a bit more on the roles of self-expression and expansion?

Self-expression is about how you express who you are to those around you. One example is an actor on a stage, who expresses themselves to everyone in the audience. Expansion is about opening up to the world around you. So it is about our knowledge, understanding, learning, opportunities, etc.

And now a note about "spirituality". "Spirituality" is about the interconnection of all things with each other. I am you and we are he and we are altogether kind of energy. So the energy of "spirituality" (Neptune) breaks down and dissolves things in whatever house it is in. With Neptune in your 4th house, there is an ability to be "at home" with spirituality. But, like all things in your chart, even if the possibility is there, if you are not aware of it, then you can't use it.

You did mention Buddhism, indicating that the Buddhistical idea of "one-ness" and "wholeness" is appealing to you. With Neptune (spirituality) in your 4th house, you might have more spirituality in your "home base" than you know...or have been aware of up until now. Here is something that is a little more "advanced" but it is important to mention now: planets close to the cusp (edge) of a house are in BOTH houses. Your Neptune is CLOSE to the 5th house, so it is also IN the 5th house (self-expression). This means your Sun (self-expression) is focused in Neptune's house (12th house) and your Neptune (spirituality) is focused in Sun's house (5th house). This indicates your self-expression and your spirituality reinforce each other.

It also suggests if you deny your spirituality you are "shutting down" your ability to express yourself. And now seems the right thing to introduce an "expansion" of the "keywords" to interpret:
Sagittarius (expansion) modifies Uranus (friends) focused on Home stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion) focused on Relationships.

Keeping the "keywords" the same, here are some alternate ways to explain the "keywords":
Sagittarius (expansion, also religion, wisdom) modifies Uranus (friends, also rebellion, science) focused on Home stresses Pisces (spirituality) modifies Jupiter (expansion, also religion, wisdom) focused on Relationships.

This suggests that your interest in science is a kind of expanded rebellion "home base" against having any relationship with spirituality and religion. As you originally said:

Anyway, as a young scientist, I'm naturally very analytical and searching for Truth, yet at the same time, I'm also willing to look beyond just the physical world for that Truth, provided there is some proof to justify the claims.

You want to know the "truth" of things but you may be using science as a way to define what truths you will and will not accept. Remember that "spirituality" and "religion" are not by their nature "anti-science". You can have spirituality, religion, and science together if you are open to it.

And now a trine that indicates this is all possible:
Sagittarius (expansion, also religion, wisdom) modifies Uranus (friends, also science, rebellion) focused on Home helps Leo (self-expression) modifies Sun (self-expression) focused on Spirituality

You see, there is an easy connection in you from your spirituality to your beloved science...if you are open to it.

Now you see the power of astrology to get us to see things from a completely different point of view: from outside of us.

With a different view,

Tim

[astrop86]

Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to think on that one, as I've been internally wrestling with where spiritually mixes with science (namely in my case, physics and astronomy). Religion I've always seen as man-made, as I've recognized the good that is causes, as well as many of the horrors that it has driven people to do...


Next up I guess is to figure out where my loneliness and feelings of necessity to be cut off from the world, particularly in relationships, stems from and if there is a way to correct it, or if I just need to spend a lot of time fixing myself. As I mentioned to someone else, after the past seven or eight years, I've got a lot of bad karma that has been built up and while the human side of it has come back to bite me, I'm curious what the boomerang is going to do.