Packed 10th house - Am i likely to achieve fame?

[icestar]

I'm not really seeking for fame or what but i'm always thinking about what to do in the future. Its just like my Sag MC, I'm always seeking my destiny. Anyway I have Moon, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune in 10th, and Antares conjunct MC. Is that uncommon? With Neptune, I cant decide on a particular career path (or see it), its really getting on my nerves because as a Sag MC I need to know! I read that Moon and Saturn in 10th might mean I would have success in life but might fail terribly later. But seeing what I am now (probably your average undergraduate), I cant imagine how successful i will be eventually. Looking at my chart, can anyone shed some light on my future career?

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[The_Sundance_Kid]

For what it's worth, I think vocation or career is one of the most difficult things to spot in a chart, because there are just so many careers out there. Just look at how difficult people find it to interpret careers on this forum. The reason I say this is because you can express the chart in pretty much most types of job. So often a Virgo MC might mean attention to detail and skill and craft, but that lends itself to a gazillion types of careers. Even jobs which require broad vision, say teaching at a higher education level (usually a Sagittarian type of job) can be done by the Virgo MC.

I think the chart is better for showing the style of one's career or work, which lends itself to an extent to the type. So I have a Virgo MC, I could still be a lecturer, but my style of teaching would be highly attentive to craft and detail. I could even be a religious leader or a diplomat (Pisces or Libra) but my style would be neat, detailed, dilligent, respectable rather than any other zodiac style. Capiche?

Looking at your chart, first thing I notice is that Neptune is near cusp of the 11th. Alot of people would interpret that as being in the 11th so see if that fits.

Secondly the MC ruler Jupiter is trine the other planets in the 10th house, which is a good sign. I think Antares and Saturn in the 10th do not mean greatness and then terrible failure, but I think they mean slow disciplined progress. And with Sagittarius I think your work style might be at its most successful when your plans are well considered, and understood on a Jupiter level, and then executed with the patience and dilligence of Saturn. There is both breadth and depth here, as well as dynamism (Uranus). So alot of skills, could fit to most careers. Fire signs and Jupiter emphasised with respect to earnings, work and career. So alot of initiative taking and enthusiasm, and assertiveness!

This is as detailed as I can get. It ***** [EDIT- 'it is really annoying'] being mediocre at astrology

[Mia]

I've read that fame in a chart is related to something called a 'Doryphory'. You can get some info on this on the Skyscript website.

mia

[alliewar]

Your MC looks like mine. Pisces Rising. I have Moon, Saturn, Uranus in MC Sagittarius. I still don't know what to do in college, I feel like I have to take it because everyone says 'you need an education'. I really dont want to go to school or work, I just want to run freee and play and do whatever. But thats me dreaming. unless I win the lottery.. hmmm..

[icestar]

yes alliewar, i'm just like you. I dont really know where i'm going, so just like everyone says i simply get a degree. Then what? I think that is due to our Sag MC, constantly wandering around. Saturn in 10th probably shows that we would have a long way to go before stabilizing on any career. Sometimes i feel its karma to have both Moon and Saturn in 10th...

Anyways after reading the threads on fame, it seems that Moon in 10th with aspects to Sun (sextile for me) is potential for fame. Aspects to Pluto help too (Sextile Neptune with a wide orb). Anyone with similar charts care to share their experiences? I also read that Neptune in Cap can be quite effective and practically expressed. Since mine can be considered in the 11th too, is that another sign of fame? Well more than fame though its more or less whether i can be rich (Jup and POF in 2nd).:P
I think i probably have the talents for acting, but maybe not the looks

Also can anyone tell me whether I have a stellium of Moon Uranus and Neptune? And what might that mean in the 10th house?

[alliewar]

i guess, a stellium, a lot of planets in the tenth or any particular house means you focus on and input most of your energies in tenth house matters, meaning reputation and success is number one on your list. For more details you look at planets signs and aspects too have a closer look what exactly your social, public position is, or professional activity. Saturn at the top of the chart usually gives great ambition and desire for success, theere can be a negative side to it, you could be pessimistic about career matters, and you could find it difficult to project a positive self confident image. Usually connected to childhood maybe not enough ego support from parents or teachers so later on you could have a hard time believing in yourself or believing that you are really good at what you do, not giving yourself enough credit, but this could soften this because it is in Sagittarius which is big on hope and beliveing that you can do this. Saturn in the tenth can also mean difficult relationship with the mother. Uranus in the tenth doesnt nessessarly mean sudden unpredictable changes, but, there are changes, usually planned though and well intregrated into the life pattern. Uranus here means you never stop changing and never stop growing when it comes to tenth house matters, and in Sagittarius, never stop learning. You`ll never settle with anything boring, usually something considered unorthodox. Uranus could mean you could work towards being revolutionary. Your usually known for your unique personality and style. Neptune in the tenth is supposed to give you charm and charisma. Maybe a career in the arts? Neptune, something magical, illusions, maybe a magician? Could also be about healing and helping individuals in need, knowledge in what people need to be happy and fullfilled. The Moon in tenth, a female or mother may have had an influence in your career choice and help you get started. You instinctively know what people want and need. The moon does strongly indicate a public career. It could mean popularity. I wonder, were you popular at school? It doesnt nessessarly mean poplar in a poistive way. Now the ruler of your tenth house is Jupiter in your 2nd, that should be a good sign, you make money (2nd house) out of your career, and supposably a lot of it (Jupiter).

[icestar]

Erm well I wouldn't say I was popular in school. I know people and they know me or perhaps would have heard of me - its easy to make friends in school. But not exactly popular since im quite picky at friends and only hang around with those i really like.
Its more true of the Saturn for me being pessimistic about my career and generally life. I really lack confidence cos i was highly obese when i was young. I have slimmed down alot but still not there yet. And yet some side of me is still hopeful - now i know its due to Sagittarus! And I do have a bad relationship with my mum, we quarrel alot and I nearly contemplated moving out to live alone.
I just feel the planets giving different indications of my career, confusing! A magician is a nice intepretation though - neptune + uranus + moon. and possibly lotsa money. But really.. a magician?? lol.. That's very far off from where I am now. IF i do follow my university major, then I'd probably be a chemist. That would suit Saturn but perhaps not the others. Then again with Neptune I might switch careers my whole life :P

[RayAustin]

Well as I've seen an astrologer say, even five planets in the tenth house does not necessarily lead to fame. You do have a decent doryphory, so perhaps that helps, but also look at your exaltation.

[lillyjgc]

Yes, I agree with Ra here.A packed tenth does not necessarily indicate fame. Here's some examples:
Marilyn Monroe:empty h10, but the ruler of h10 is aspected, both negatively and positively.However the North node, said to relate to *fame*, is part of a grand trine.

Adolf Hitler-only saturn in H10. His node, in h9, was almost exactly sextile mars.

Mahatma Ghandi-only the moon in h10, and squaring 2 conjunctions, so 4 planets-North node 5 deg short of MC.

Lady Diana:
Only neptune in H10.North node in H8,conjunct 3 planets and part of an opposition.

Charlie Chaplin-H10 empty.H10 ruler in h6, applying a conjunction to mercury, no other major aspects. North Node in h9 sextile venus and mars.

These are just a few examples.
As jupiter rules your tenth, I think you may have many careers.When jupiter is in h7 or ruler of h7 the native is said to have many affairs/relationships. I think the same may apply to jupiter ruling the tenth.
Jupiter rules the legal process, jobs abroad and foreign matters, so you may end up wanting to take a job that allows you to travel.
Fame usually , but not always, brings good fortune. Your second house is ruled by venus and your venus is widely oppositional to the stellium in your tenth, so this could be problematic.
Having pisces on the ascendant may direct you toward altruistic occupations.
Just a few ideas..
Cheers
Lillyjgc

[RayAustin]

The thing is... fame is really hard to pinpoint. There are people with suns in the 12th or cadent houses, even ruling their midheaven, and are still famous (Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie); what I have observed is they both have a significant doryphory. *edit*.

[icestar]

Hi lily, thanks for the ideas! Btw why do you say my 2nd house is ruled by Venus? Thought it should be Mars? and how is my Venus widely oppositonal to the stellium in 10th?
And @Ray, can you explain what is doryphory? Is it the planet that rises after the Sun or Moon? in my case which is the doryphory?

[RayAustin]

Originally Posted by icestar

Hi lily, thanks for the ideas! Btw why do you say my 2nd house is ruled by Venus? Thought it should be Mars? and how is my Venus widely oppositonal to the stellium in 10th?
And @Ray, can you explain what is doryphory? Is it the planet that rises after the Sun or Moon? in my case which is the doryphory?

A doryphory is described as such : for the sun, it is a planet oriental (rising before it) in the same sign or the next one over. for the moon it is a planet occidental (rising before the moon) in the same sign or next one over. so if sun is in libra, venus is before the sun in the chart, and mars is in the next sign over, these planets are of the sun's doryphory.

[Culpeper]

With Pisces rising and a weak Sun in your chart, you will be indecisive. Making decisions is something for you to work on. Using classical interpretation methods, I do not see great fame in your chart. Jupiter is domicile ruler of the 10th house, and it is also specifically triplicity ruler of status and fame. However, it lacks essential dignity and is retrograde: This gives no indication of fame although Jupiter always supplies some benefit.

Jupiter and the ascending node in the second house give financial success. The ruler of the 2nd house is Mars, and it is stronger than it looks due to a reception with Venus. This combination gives money and possessions, you may even like your work. Since I do not know your major, I will not suggest anything specific although work of a mercurial nature should be considered. You may receive a legacy, but be careful that your money does not slip through your fingers.

The lot of Fortune is disposed by Venus indicating that life will send you favorable opportunities. Do not miss them due to indecisiveness.

[lillyjgc]

Icestar,

<Hi lily, thanks for the ideas! Btw why do you say my 2nd house is ruled by Venus? Thought it should be Mars? and how is my Venus widely oppositonal to the stellium in 10th? >

Sorry-I must have been looking at Alliewar's chart when I wrote that!
You are quite correct-mars rules your second house. Your node is unaspected and the ruler of your second is square neptune-poor for financial gain as neptune dissolves things.
Mars square neptune can be very difficult in getting motivated.It causes lethargy and indecision.I agree with Culpeper about money slipping through your fingers!
Also your pars Fortuna is not aspected.
I do not see fame here in this chart, but then again, if you looked at,say, Ghandi's chart, it might not be seen there either.
Cheers,
Lillyjgc

[kaminari]

I'm wondering about this now.. Using equal houses I have 6 planets in the 10th house.. Scorpio Stellium & Venus conjunct Scorpio Midheaven.. I've already had four careers & I'm not even 40.. I think I could have achieved recognition in any of them, but I realized I wasn't contributing anything worthwhile.. & I gave everything up & started a new challenge..

I think the key to fame is not think about fame but what you give to the world..

I'm poor & anonymous, but I want to be successful as well..

If you can find in your chart what you should be giving the world in this life, then you're already headed somewhere.. I'm still looking for that in my chart, but I think it has something to do with the story my chart is trying to tell me, if you know what I mean..

good luck.. ;-)

[Frank]

Pay careful attention to the Domicile ruler of the MC/10th house as well as the planets in the 10th or aspecting the MC. The 6th House is also important for mundane "job" matters. The MC is more career/vocation than day-to-day drudgery.

With planets in the 10th, consider their Dignity. A planet in the 10th but not dignified might work at cross purposes.

Fame is a tricky business. Are we talking world-wide household name fame, or just fame within yor chosen profession? Different people define success differently, also.

[Reyka]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Yes, I agree with Ra here.A packed tenth does not necessarily indicate fame. Here's some examples:
Marilyn Monroe:empty h10,

Charlie Chaplin-H10 empty.
[.....]
Lillyjgc

I think I love you! <says the delusional empty 10th House girl.>

Now, where's my Doryphory gone, when I need it?


@ Frank: I think when we talk "fame", we mean some BIG and widely acknowledged break-through, starting from a national level to Madonna's one.

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by Frank

Pay careful attention to the Domicile ruler of the MC/10th house as well as the planets in the 10th or aspecting the MC. The 6th House is also important for mundane "job" matters. The MC is more career/vocation than day-to-day drudgery.

With planets in the 10th, consider their Dignity. A planet in the 10th but not dignified might work at cross purposes.

Fame is a tricky business. Are we talking world-wide household name fame, or just fame within yor chosen profession? Different people define success differently, also.

My domicile ruler of the MC is either Pluto (in the 8th) or Mars (in the 9th).. Pluto is sextile my Venus (conjunct the MC).. The 10th house ruler is traditionally Saturn?.. My Saturn is conjunct the IC in the 4th, it's tightest opposition is to Venus on the MC.. Pluto is also trine Saturn but the orb is too large (8 degrees)..

I don't really know what any of this means..

I want to be successful, but the only success I've had in my life is failure.. I'm one of those guys that sets himself up for failure by taking the ultimate challenges.. Sure I fail, but at least I always try.. & that's my measure of success.. Call it "failing upwards.."

[Claire19]

Wow! We need to look at the ruler of the 10th which is Jupiter and is posited in the 2nd house of personal income which backs up a career.

Psychology, criminal law, journalism, private investigator, espionage. Occultist. import, export business. Foreign exchange. Ruler of 6th pf everday work, the Sun isconjunct Mercury in 8th along with conjunction to Pluto and Mars, ruler of 2nd in 8th also. You may even teach metaphysics and I am sure you will study these subjects. You may think of writing mystery novels and whodunits.

You have a strong 8th house influence and this can involve managing others assets, banking and investment, life insurance, affairs of the dead. A more prosaic occupation would be plumbing or sanitary engineer. Recycling, refurbishment, rebuilding and environmental matters may also appeal.

Hope this gives you some ideas about direction. That you should have a public life and career is definitely in the stars but as for fame???? Hard to say.

[Claire19]

Yes one can achieve prominence and authority in one's career but that does not necessarily indicate world wide fame.
The Sun is not weak and has a conjunction to Pluto which gives depth and transformative power. That you are ruled by Neptune and it is in the 10th gives some confusion but you are young yet. Saturn in the 10th indicates having to work hard to achieve ambitions but with great rewards. Politics is another avenue.

[Claire19]

No the 10th deals with other issues besides fame. It is authority, public reputation and image and the goals we set as well as our vocation. It also deals with the parental figure who gives the discipline and structure.

[Claire19]

Not strictly a Stellium as not all the planets are in aspect. However strong emphasis yes and where you will have to focus your energies.

[Claire19]

NOt ruled by Venus and no oppositions either.

[estrella]

Your packed 10th house shows that it will be an area of focus and activity in your life. One very good sign is Jupiter ruler of MC in the 2nd making favorable aspect to Moon, Uranus, and Saturn. That shows a strong energy encouraging you to be financially successful in your chosen field. Also, your POF is in the 2nd. Hey, I'd rather be rich than famous any day .
Saturn in the 10th house can mean (as it does for me as I have it there too) that you may get off to a late start in life when it comes to career, or that you will have to put in much disciplined hard work to attain your goals.

Uranus in the 10th shows that you could be known for doing things unconventionally with regard to your career. A maverick of sorts that finds innovative ways to handle situations.
Moon and Neptune in the 10th shows that you can have an intuitive creativity that you can apply to your chosen field-BUT be careful not to be too dreamy.

Antares conjunct your MC isn't great-but it's not necessarily bad either. It is a warning to not be too rash in your decisions, or to let your emotions get in the way of your career choices.

As far as particular career path, I agree that it is pretty wide open. Follow your instincts and interests. Something Jupiterian, like teaching, might work well for you if you are interested. Also, I can't help but notice that your 8th house (the house of other people's money) is pretty busy. Your Sun is there. Perhaps you might shine working in a financial, banking, or insurance field or for a market or exchange.

Overall, I think this is a really strong horoscope that points to potential career success. Don't forget though--astrology is about free will and choices. The horoscope shows what energy is there for you to use. You are responsible for using it or not.

One more thing.....the 10th house is also the house of one parent, usually the mother. I am wondering if one parent is much older, or if one parent has had more influence over you by providing discipline and structure (Saturn).

[astrologer50]

Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17248
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