Transiting Pluto conjunct Neptune support group

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Everyone here will have or have had this in their lifetime.

My generation with Neptune in early Capricorn are starting to have it. This includes the important 1989 group, who had the Saturn/ Uranus/ Neptune conjunction in early Capricorn that astrologers attribute to the fall of communism and the end of the Cold War.

I was hoping that those who have had this transit might give their thoughts and advice on it so that we who are yet to have it might be able to handle it better.

When did you find the transit was at its strongest? (The first, second or third conjunction?) Did you find it a continuous process or one that had specific trigger dates? Did you even notice it at all or did Neptune nebulously hide it?

I know there is a sticky thread on Pluto transits, but I wanted to focus on this one aspect alone.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Some threads on this topic:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...=pluto+neptune

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...=pluto+neptune

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...=pluto+neptune

Now these threads are very helpful but if everyone could throw in their experiences with their own Pluto-Neptune conjunction, as well as their thoughts on other people's, we might be able to piece something together

[sageofaquarius]

Hi Sundance

This transit took place for me in 1972-73 when I was 28-29 (Neptune at 4° Libra in the 10th). Perhaps it was just my age, but suddenly I found popular music became dire, meaningless and banal (David Cassidy, the Osmonds, Dawn, etc. No offence, guys, just my taste).
I'd connected with pop in a big way since the birth of rock'n'roll and had worked in the industry during the 1960s. The social, political and spiritual revolution which the second half of that decade seemed to promise was, I was certain, going to come about through music. It was also, of course, the time when recreational drugs seemed to become an integral part of both the creation and appreciation of popular music.
The end of that era is generally considered to be coincident with The Rolling Stones' Altamont concert on December 6, 1969, followed by the allegedly drug-related deaths of Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix in 1970 just as Pluto came within a 6° orb conjunct my natal Neptune.
Maybe it was me, maybe it was the times, maybe it was coincidence, but my love affair with popular music came to an end. It wasn't to be reignited until the mid- to late 1970s when punk emerged, putting an end to domination of the pop charts by the soppy, twee and somewhat vacuous.

Good luck with your research.

sage

[MamaMinnee]

Originally Posted by The_Sundance_Kid

I was hoping that those who have had this transit might give their thoughts and advice on it so that we who are yet to have it might be able to handle it better....

I have Neptune in the 2nd and am totally Plutonian...

My experience was super intense and fun! I lived in LA and went to work for one of the biggest entertainment companies after graduating from college. My bosses had 'been there done that' and had families, so they would give me access to all of their free stuff like: season tix for the Lakers and Kings; movie premiere tickets; house-sitting at movie star's mansions; cash on the side, etc...; the total 'hook up' since the company was so powerful (Pluto) in film, tv, music (Neptune).

Negatively, the reality is not always like it is in the movies like: some MAJOR heartthrobs are gay and have absolutely NO interest in women; hours were long, long, long; massive power plays--either in them or connected; bad habits were easy to pick up; disproportionate amount of those with the Herp... more Pluto/Neptune.

In short, the transit introduced me to the 'glamorous underworld' of Hollywood.

[EJ53]

Natally, I have Pluto in Leo/11th sextile Neptune in Libra/1st and square Mercury in Scorpio/2nd - creating misunderstandings when communicating with those in authority.

Transitting Pluto first passed over natal Neptune from September to November 1977, with a second and third crossing throughout March to October 1978. At the time, I was unaware that my immediate boss was experiencing personal insecurity due to his wife having decided to leave him. So, the scene was already set for a clash between the two of us during the transit, which made him suspect I was "after his job".

On the first pass, I challenged his decision to end a project/task because my intuition told me further work was needed - eventually going over his head to (successfully) make my case. During the second pass, the further work was completed/reported upon and (at the third pass) my recommendations were introduced (with annual savings of £1.75 million).

In truth, my motive always was "to do my job properly" - but I lacked the empathy/compassion to see things from his perspective. So, instead of the transit resulting in me learning to empathise with those in authority, it served only to convince me that I was right to challenge their decisions.

EJ

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by The_Sundance_Kid

Everyone here will have or have had this in their lifetime.

I was hoping that those who have had this transit might give their thoughts and advice on it so that we who are yet to have it might be able to handle it better.

When did you find the transit was at its strongest? (The first, second or third conjunction?) Did you find it a continuous process or one that had specific trigger dates? Did you even notice it at all or did Neptune nebulously hide it?

Interesting question, The_Sundance_Kid!

For me, this conjunction took place in mid 1970's. My natal Neptune is conjunct my Mars (less than 1 degr) and also Midheaven (less than 4 deg) in Libra, all squaring moon in Cancer in 6th.

The Pluto/Neptune conjunction changed the entire course of my life, as it heralded the end of my marriage, although I stayed for another 8 or so years after this, due to having very small children. Each conjunction was a progressively louder shout in my ear saying: Wake up!! I spent most of this time fooling around (an affair; too much imbibing of alcohol - both Neptunian; driving too fast - perhaps the Mars factor) trying to avoid looking at what should have been obvious.
By the 3rd conjunction it was hard to avoid the truth.

At the time I felt cheated, like I believed Life had let me down. Pluto shook me up, and helped me grow up.

PS (EDIT): I used to be so scared of Pluto transits, as they shook up my world which (in my 20's & 30's at least) I believed I had full control over.................
Now I love what Pluto does - it's like that best friend in the world who comes to you and says, "You're gonna hate me saying this, but stop what you're doing, and take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror."

[seiw83]

i live now under pluto-neptun conjuction. now is falling but it is time when i have grow up, first real love,my ascendand is cancer, i was sleeping in my dream til my 20. i dont know when this transit become from me, but from 2002 i started to find me existance, i started to feel and live, i wanted answers asking questions and my mod was like a roolecoster(capricorn moon) . i hope it will bring something more(good job)


i can be much hader to land novadays. can you watvh tha movie and say that the old age is coming till end? the age of money slavery!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91866262119830

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Those tales are all so interesting, and quite dramatic, but I wouldn't expect anything less considering it is Pluto and Uranus (Edit NEPTUNE!).

Sage of Aquarius- So do you think Neptune on the 10th makes you generally aware of popular culture much more than others? Interesting that Pluto destroyed this... and on more than just a musical tone, but on a socio-cultural one as well. I find it intriguing because this kind of interpretation gives Neptune an aesthetic quality I would ascribe to the second house. I guess there must be similarities between Neptune in the 2nd and 10th houses- tapping into the values and public personas of the masses.

Mama Minnee, your Neptune actually is in the 2nd house, and I would love to have your experience. I am totally Plutonian too and have Neptune in the 2nd house so I'm actually thinking of applying for similar jobs (at least for a short while) as I think tv and film is absolutely fascinating. I love glamorous underworlds, but don't like to be sucked into them.

EJ53 Thank you for your post. You have Neptune natally in the 1st, and in Libra, which I would think would make you nervous about being on anyone's toes, and always wanted people to be at peace. Thinking that anger has no benefits and so not understanding how people can actually get angry? Do you think your Pluto transit 'cleared' up your Neptune, if you found Neptune being somewhat nebulous? So did Pluto improve your confidence and vision? And has this been a permanent change?

R4VEN, I'm glad you're comfortable with your Pluto transits, I find them terrifying, still recovering from Pluto conjunct Uranus, but hey I had Pluto conjunct Saturn as a kid and can't remember a thing, so glad to have that one out of the way

I don't want to pry if it is a sore subject, but I was wondering how you thought your natal Neptune might relate to marriage, as it is on the MC and I would not have been able to make the connection to relationships from that. Sage's transit happened in the 10th house and related to public tastes, while your transit became much more personal.

Seiw83, I have to start working soon as well- money slavery! How depressing! I have Neptune in the 2nd house, so I have this fantasy that Pluto will let me win the lottery :P

So I will be looking out for some kind of awakening or clearing up, a revelation of truth regarding the ideals and dreams of my natal Neptune? I just have to figure out my natal Neptune!

Thank you for sharing your experiences and I hope others do too!

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by The_Sundance_Kid

R4VEN, I'm glad you're comfortable with your Pluto transits, I find them terrifying, still recovering from Pluto conjunct Uranus, but hey I had Pluto conjunct Saturn as a kid and can't remember a thing, so glad to have that one out of the way

I don't want to pry if it is a sore subject, but I was wondering how you thought your natal Neptune might relate to marriage, as it is on the MC and I would not have been able to make the connection to relationships from that. Sage's transit happened in the 10th house and related to public tastes, while your transit became much more personal.

That is Such a good question/observation, The_Sundance_Kid, and am glad you mentioned it!!!!

At the time I married I was in the middle of Pluto squ Venus, so this relationship was a difficult one, but I was (initially at least) somewhat addicted to what he brought to the marriage - namely resonances of my father, as well as my dead brother - and it was always a difficult marriage. I didn't even acknowledge these diffculties, although they were plain to see once the Pluto/Venus square was over.

My husband and I were both teachers at a school in a country town, and so our marriage was closely aligned with our work/career. When I decided I had to leave the marriage (or die of a wounded spirit) I took a long time to go about this, because at the time I was without full-time work, and so had to create a new work/life direction before leaving. I took 8 years to get my act together because with Pluto conjuncting my natal Mars/Neptune/MH, I was too much into enjoying the escapist side of Neptune and the risky side of Mars - nights out drinking with my friends, affairs which no-one ever found out about until the very end before I left, long wine-filled lunches with my friends. It really was a lot of fun, but deep-down I knew that this fun wouldn't last forever.

Once Pluto had passed the close conjunction, I began to think: "Time I grew up and faced reality!!"
Also, when Pluto was in Conj with Mars/Nept/MH, it was squaring my natal moon in Cancer in 6th. Cancer rules my 7th house, so Pluto's squaring of my Cancer moon brought the marriage itself into the mix.

Does that answer your question? The short answer could have been that Pluto close to my 10th house cusp was also affecting other planets on my chart - as it does.

And in relation to being terrified of Pluto - this is normal for a young person. When tr Pluto squared my Leo sun in 1988, it almost tipped me right over the edge. The problem was that I was resisting the changes which it brought. I thought I knew the way `things had to be'- typical know-it-all Leo! In retrospect, this Pluto transit was the best of all - although not pretty at the time - as it redirected me again to letting go of having to control the details, and that I don't have to be responsible (Cap Rising at work!) for everything!!!

Yes, Pluto is your friend. You may not know it yet, but that's ok.

[JayM]

When pluto enters cap its going to be on my neptune because my neptune is one degree cap.

I have been drifting in my life for the past fiew years not really doing anything. I have never really been able to focus on things and my mind wanders and I have certain addictions like video games and lots of movies which I spend alot of time with, this is evident if you look at my chart at my mars which aspects half my chart(its in pisces and it squares my uranus and MC). I have had trouble deciding what I want to do, althought I know which fields I want to go into now, but I have felt disillusioned when I imagine myself doing these things and I felt depressed.

Ever since highschool I have felt nostalgic about certain things that I wanted to happen but didn't happen, so I dont know if that put somekind of illusionary wall so to speak between me and other people (regarding relationships)so I havent had alot of firends/relationships since then.

What I am reading in a book is that pluto transits to neptune can be a crisis because it will make you face your escapism and highten your psychic sensitivity, although if you look at the connection between my mars and my own pluto it will be evident that I have alot of psychic sensitivity, which I hope it will and I think things will crystalize for me when this conjuntion happens.

Please tell me what you all think

[R4VEN]

Originally Posted by JayM

When pluto enters cap its going to be on my neptune because my neptune is one degree cap.

I have been drifting in my life for the past fiew years not really doing anything. I have never really been able to focus on things and my mind wanders and I have certain addictions like video games and lots of movies which I spend alot of time with, this is evident if you look at my chart at my mars which aspects half my chart(its in pisces and it squares my uranus and MC). I have had trouble deciding what I want to do, althought I know which fields I want to go into now, but I have felt disillusioned when I imagine myself doing these things and I felt depressed.

Ever since highschool I have felt nostalgic about certain things that I wanted to happen but didn't happen, so I dont know if that put somekind of illusionary wall so to speak between me and other people (regarding relationships)so I havent had alot of firends/relationships since then.

What I am reading in a book is that pluto transits to neptune can be a crisis because it will make you face your escapism and highten your psychic sensitivity, although if you look at the connection between my mars and my own pluto it will be evident that I have alot of psychic sensitivity, which I hope it will and I think things will crystalize for me when this conjuntion happens.

Please tell me what you all think

Video games, movies, disillusionment, depression, addictions - all very Neptunian, all very escapist, all quite typical of Pluto conj Neptune.

You are just about to live through your first exact conjunction, although the effects of Pluto conj Neptune would have been building up for around 3-4 years - this is in judging from others in their 20's whom I've observed leading into the exact conjunction.

Any Pluto transit - to any planet at all will bring some kind of crisis - that is Pluto's job, to transform and redirect your life. Transits to the outer planets generally bring one face-to-face with Bigger Picture issues, such as:

• who am I?
• why am I here?/what is my purpose?
• how am I to get from where I am now to where I need to be?

Pretty basic stuff, really, except that Pluto comes along and slaps you - by the 3rd exact conjunction & and says: Wake up to yourself! Who's going to live your life for you if you won't?

Sorry to be blunt, but I'm currently observing someone quite close to me having experienced Pluto conj Uranus, and now she's entering the Pluto conj Neptune zone, as well as Pluto squ Moon. She's living in a real fantasy world, and has almost lost touch with reality. Lo-n-g story there. I want to shake her, and tell her to wake up and grow up, but I have to let Pluto do that in its own time.

[sageofaquarius]

Originally Posted by The_Sundance_Kid

Sage of Aquarius - So do you think Neptune on the 10th makes you generally aware of popular culture much more than others? Interesting that Pluto destroyed this... and on more than just a musical tone, but on a socio-cultural one as well. I find it intriguing because this kind of interpretation gives Neptune an aesthetic quality I would ascribe to the second house. I guess there must be similarities between Neptune in the 2nd and 10th houses - tapping into the values and public personas of the masses.

Neptune in the 10th certainly made me aware that popular culture could be a very good way to earn a living while enjoying myself and entertaining others. In my case, Neptune is part of two grand trines (with Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd, and Uranus and Mars conjunct in Gemini in the 7th). It's also worth bearing in mind that I was 18 in 1962, perfectly placed to begin my working life as the cultural revolution of the 60s got underway, so perhaps it was a bit of a no-brainer. Traditionalists should look away now, but Pluto is also the ruler of my rising sign, Scorpio.

In my opinion there is no doubt that Neptune's aesthetic qualities beautify the passing cultural fashions of each generation. It's nebulous, illusory nature also makes us all feel that the current fad or fashion is it, and for a while other styles or fashions are decidedly uncool. This covers all forms of art - my experience was with music and film (the most illusory of all the arts). Interestingly, with Neptune in Aquarius, films have come to rely more and more on digitised imagery and may soon be accessed solely via DVDs rather than on petro-chemical film stock.

[EJ53]

Originally Posted by Sundance

...You have Neptune natally in the 1st, and in Libra, which I would think would make you nervous about being on anyone's toes, and always wanted people to be at peace. Thinking that anger has no benefits and so not understanding how people can actually get angry? Do you think your Pluto transit 'cleared' up your Neptune, if you found Neptune being somewhat nebulous? So did Pluto improve your confidence and vision? And has this been a permanent change?

Prior to the transit, I was working for a man aged 55 who exploded with anger when faced with minor errors by his staff. Otherwise, he was one of the nicest people you could hope to meet - but that had resulted in a lifetime of suppressing justifiable anger, because he had been raised to see expressing it as "wrong". At the time, I was going down that same path myself - but resolved to stop because I saw the harm it done to him. So, I became a "confronter of problems and those who caused me problems" - and remain the same to-day.
However, he died of a heart attack at the age of 59.

EJ

[sageofaquarius]

Originally Posted by The_Sundance_Kid

So do you think Neptune on the 10th makes you generally aware of popular culture much more than others? Interesting that Pluto destroyed this... and on more than just a musical tone, but on a socio-cultural one as well.

Sundance - Further to my earlier post in reply to this question, I have just remembered this reading which, I think, is much more relevant. I have Pluto closely conjunct North Node in the 8th.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astro...north-node.php

Best wishes.

sage

[Steeler]

For me everything started in december last year.
I am now 4 degrees away from a full-on Pluto conjunct Neptune,
but at the time it was 6 degrees away.

I have noticed that the outer planets don't need to be exact for them to be felt, and this works especially with Pluto, since I have most experience with it's transits and have noticed that even when it's 6 degree apart it's is enough for it to be felt.

So when it was 6 degrees away in December last year, I finally felt it.
That's when my life transformed spiritually. Since I am not attached to any religion, philosophy or any of that,
the transition to finding out the truth about our universe, humans and energy-behaviour was not difficult for me.

I've also become quite psychic, which I believe to be very much part of this transit.
I've seen one of my past lives, learned to raise energy, studied energy behaviour, crystals, herbs, chakras...
Anything I would have seen as mumbo-jumbo before last december is now all part of my life.

One thing worth mentioning that also came along with this transit is dancing.
I've been dancing a lot lately...Just spinning around a lot and feeling the rhytmn.

I am also going through a lot of Neptune transits,
so I believe that this is making this Pl/Ne transit even stronger in my case.

From one website:

Pluto Conjunct Neptune - Everyone alive at this time experiences this transit at some point. It is an awakening, a time when there is a connection between the conscious mind and the superconscious. Some experience this as frightening as they have weird dreams and experience strange things. Others love it as they get to experience things they have only read about in the past: psychic connection, prophetic dreams, religious or spiritual awakening. It is a very intense couple of years with the end result of becoming far more aware of who you really are and what you are doing here.

If Im honest Im a tad afraid of how quick these things are happening since I need quite a bit of time to process all of them,
but then again I don't feel like I am that much in control...

Pluto is transiting my 5th and Neptune the 6th.

[AspieTaurus]

I'm nearing the end of this transit now and it has been a roller-coaster. it did not help that my stepdad died when Saturn conjuncted my MC in 2009.

It's like my entire self was exploded and had to be reconstructed. First my stepdad's death and my best friend getting raped, both of which occured at about the same time, really shook me up emotionally, I was an emotional basket-case for the rest of the year, only for my grandmother to pass on that October.

Then over the course of 2010 my faith in the American political system evaporated as the president I enthusiastically supported in 2008 stabbed his base in the back. I went from being a mainstream liberal to being a radical socialist. (Pluto blowing up Neptune's illusions)

At the same time I've developed an interest in Buddhism, meditation, and Jungian psychology.

[Jardine]

I had this transit in 1999-2001. One of the biggest life-changers for me. It wasn't easy but it was so important! I went through a period of total confusion and disorientation, but came out more focused, down-to earth and less willing to idealize. Simultaneously, it was a sort of "spiritual awakening", when I stopped copying the paths of others and realized I could go my own way. I emerged in a much better shape than before.

[QuantumMystic]

If it is acceptable, I can share with you some very Pluto/Neptune type of psychic and spiritual enhancements I just had during my Solar Arc Progressing Pluto conjuncting my natal Neptune. But, since this is supposed to be about transits I will wait to hear if I should post about it.