Depression and Water-Fire conflict

[the_crabs]

Hi guys,

I have such a challenging horoscope with plenty of water signs working against the sun and the moon placed in Aries. I often complain about energy lack and depression. Having mars placed in pisces and square to neptune is the basic placing I find responsible for my complaints. I can not benefit from my arien energy efficiently. Besides my sun hardly has some aspects. (I guess the only one is the conjuction with mercury) I had very tough moments until the end of my teens. By the time I got to my mid twenties, I started to feel relieved. Still, whenever I decide to put my plans into practice, I often encounter with obstacles. Things suddenly improve, I feel like I can start the action but yet again, something soon gets in my way. Yet, I feel much better now and am recently going through a considerably practicable and favourable period which makes me think that I should start the action to go for it. I wonder if it is also an astologically convenient time for me. Will I be able to achieve more, handle anxiety disorder, become more sociable and deal with business issues better? These are the main things I want to have a prediction for. I have an idea but not sure if I can see things through as well as most of you guys can here. So I do need help!

Along with it, I also wanna know if one can get over such a week horoscope. I know it is a debate on its own but still, I'd love to have you guys share your ideas about that too.

I'd be glad if you guys reply. Thanks in advance.

Birth data: 29.03.1979, 12:25 p.m, Istanbul,Turkey

Hugs,
Jake

[Claire19]

You are coming up to your Saturn return and it will influence your 3rd house of thoughts and general communications. You may feel that you need changes in your life and to get real. This is a time of maturity and losing what is no longer needed and gaining perspective. The Moon opposing Pluto is the only aspect I see that may indicate depression. This stems from parental issues
and control.

[hermetic]

you noticed your unaspected Sun well as a cause for depression(i wouldn't count astro.com's aspects, as orbs are really wide)
Sun in Aries quincunx Saturn in Virgo look somehow responsible for those feelings you are desribing, of starting and then things getting in your way
Cancer asc is also depression prone and Mars in Pisces too

you say yourself things are getting better for you, which is understandable after Saturn return, as Claire already eplained why.
You have Sun and Moon in 10th, and Jupiter in 1st in its exaltation - all this makes me say you will manage to acomplish great deal of stuff

[wilsontc]

Jake,

You said:

Originally Posted by the_crabs

my sun hardly has some aspects

An unaspected Sun can indicate ego issues, so remember that a LITTLE ego goes a LONG way:
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/as...tedplanets.htm

Egoistically,

Tim

[entrevisions]

i have also sun in aries quincunx saturn in virgo ...plus neptune in the IV square mars : physically, mentally & emotionally exhausting aspects. and some people say that i have my sun unaspected because the orb of opposition with pluto is too wide.

[prettypiscesxoxo]

Originally Posted by hermetic

you noticed your unaspected Sun well as a cause for depression(i wouldn't count astro.com's aspects, as orbs are really wide)
Sun in Aries quincunx Saturn in Virgo look somehow responsible for those feelings you are desribing, of starting and then things getting in your way
Cancer asc is also depression prone and Mars in Pisces too

you say yourself things are getting better for you, which is understandable after Saturn return, as Claire already eplained why.
You have Sun and Moon in 10th, and Jupiter in 1st in its exaltation - all this makes me say you will manage to acomplish great deal of stuff

Well, Jupiter in the first is "lucky" however, conjunct your ascendant or MC etc... would be even better + Uranus Jupiter means that your "luck" is NOT consistant like if it aspected Saturn (your hard work would pay off BIG time).

I see your major conflict is the water-fire grand trine which it includes mars- mercury (conjunct your MC). Your problem is not lack of motivation although its there- I have sun, mars, venus ALL square Neptune!
Like your "luck" your energy/motivation fluctuate bc its influences by your environment & neptune is a spiritual but weak-willed planet prone to addictions, laziness, fantasizing, victimizing, etc...on the positive side- you are more AWARE of the subtle nuances within you & in your environment- you appear adaptable, however, you are stubbourn when your ambition has to be sacrificed for love or vice- versa (venus opp saturn)

Since Mercury is ruled by the element "Air" - your mind tends to be frustrated with logic or reality. Your major problem, quote me if I'm wrong- you OVER analyze everything & everyone arround you- especially second guessing your own immediate though process- these is a vicious circle that leads to degrading yourself in "negative" thought patterns.

of course depression is chemical, spiritual, its also predisposed (herditary) - is there anyone else in your family prone to excessive sadness, mother perhaps? was there alot of bickering at home while you grew up...your mother wanted to be more independant but your father held her back- you witnessed a lot of arguments of a child- being extremely sensitive, you turned to spirituality or you learned to have a lot of faith in yourself.

Somehow thats not enough. Since you were born to serve. Its also very difficult for you to assert what you really want for YOU- always feeling like a slave to other peoples desires. Yo need to acknowledge your PAST in order to get off the the merry-gp-round youre on.

Let me know if anything I have said is true- still learning to interpret charts intuitively. Stay POSITIVE! Chin up
Cheers xx

[Lin]

Hi Jake,
You said:

I have such a challenging horoscope with plenty of water signs working against the sun and the moon placed in Aries. I often complain about energy lack and depression. Having mars placed in pisces and square to neptune is the basic placing I find responsible for my complaints. I can not benefit from my arien energy efficiently. Besides my sun hardly has some aspects. (I guess the only one is the conjuction with mercury) I had very tough moments until the end of my teens. By the time I got to my mid twenties, I started to feel relieved. Still, whenever I decide to put my plans into practice, I often encounter with obstacles. Things suddenly improve, I feel like I can start the action but yet again, something soon gets in my way. Yet, I feel much better now and am recently going through a considerably practicable and favourable period which makes me think that I should start the action to go for it. I wonder if it is also an astologically convenient time for me. Will I be able to achieve more, handle anxiety disorder, become more sociable and deal with business issues better?
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Having a 10th house sun is basically it's own reward. Every time you get positive transits to your Sun, you will get a jolt of energy. Actually, even difficult aspects to a 10thhouse Sun often gets one going. You also have a Aries moon, also in the 10th house! For instance, Jupiter just entered Aquarius and will sextile your Sun next month.... and Mars will also, and at the same time. Also at the same time, Venus will conjunct your Sun, so you should get some inspiration throughout the month of February. (by the way, your Saturn return is, for all intents and purposes, over, and you should meditate on what it meant to you. At the same time, be aware that Saturn will not leave Virgo till Oct. of next year.)

I think JUpiter square your moon is responsible for a LOT of your issues. Study that aspect in your chart. I mean, really study it. The Moon is often overlooked, but you must not make that mistake as it is very powerful by nature, by sign, by virtue of it's being the ruler of your ascendant and by the fact of it's position in the 10th.

Saturn in the 3rd is difficult because the 3rd respresents your daily activity and your ability or lack of ability to communicate your needs, intentions and thoughts. Saturn opposes Venus, and that is a BIG issue which is compounded with the Jupiter square Moon agenda. Moon and Venus are about feelings and happiness and what constitutes "balance" in ones life. And all oppositions affect relationships, and Saturn rules your 7th. The moon rules your first. So both sides of that issue (personality identity) has stress accompanying them.

Neptune in the 6th makes it diffecult for you to feel secure and structured in your work life, and of course the square to Mars doesn't help. It makes you doubt yourself, hesitate in your actions, and maybe loose your enthusiasm.

However, you do have Jupiter trine Mercury, and Merc is conj. your MC. The fact that it is retrograde is a big factor, and one that you should study, because it's unusual. A retrograde Merc on the MC - it couldwork for or against you, depending upon the type of work you do. The dynamic of the retrograde Merc is very personal and when you study this using many sources you will be able to identify with how it actually affects you.

By anyone's standards you have a regrograde chart. This is Karmic and you need to go deeply into your chart, studying it using many sources. If you want some good sources, let me know and I will give you the names of some books that have helped me with my clients.
LIN

[Sagmoon]

Horoscope can reveal reality and the depressed kind can become even more depressed as you feel you can not fight the stars. I say this because I hope the information which you get here will not affect you further. I truly believe that if your life is hard and you overcome it, you'll be a bigger winner than most. I say it because I'm in my mid 20's and there seems to be no end to my sufferings, and most of all obstacles.

Briefly: SATURN, my biggest 'friend', if badly aspected, or even well aspected can do a lot of harm. The personal planets which are most important, are the ones before the earth. The moon counts too. So saturn aspecting your sun, venus and even moon, even though some may think the aspect to the moon is insignificant, all give you restraint, obstacles and at times they deconstruct you untill you no longer feel wholesome. You need to find a way to prevent this as much as possible, or make it better before the destruction starts. Your moon opposite pluto: self destruction, intense emotions, will power. Mars square neptune: lack of energy, sensitivity (neptune 6th: sensitive nervous system). Also I read in a very old 'medical astrology' book, that moon conjunct sun can leave a person depleted of energy, and be depression prone. You don't have a conjunction, but they are in the same sign, which may have a slight influence... The rest of the horoscope is very balanced with plenty of smooth trines that need, like all harmonious aspects, a bit of activation. Regarding jupiter making squares, I think that should just make you suddenly magnanimous and optimistic, even lazy ( i have a trine, i was lazy to change myself).

Overall I don't think you have 'that' much water. If you notice how some planets eg mercury, venus and jupiter are at their last degrees of the sign? You can rightly regard them as being in the other sign too, and very eager to get there . You are more fiery than you think. Also somewhere I read (don't remember where, bob marks perhaps) that planets at their last degrees are actually more energetic as they are eager to express that signs purpose (if that makes sense. perhaps I shall try to find the original source).

Even though mars does not conjunct your sun, it does give it's character through the total conjunction with mercury, as they all form close relationship. So plenty of potential energy there.

Good luck from another depressed cancer ascendant

Sagmoon

[the_crabs]

Thank you guys all for your analysis. It's been very enlightening for me.

Originally Posted by Claire19

You are coming up to your Saturn return and it will influence your 3rd house of thoughts and general communications. You may feel that you need changes in your life and to get real. This is a time of maturity and losing what is no longer needed and gaining perspective.

I can't tell you how problematic my life has become around my 29 th birthday last year. Even on my birthday I was too tense to have fun at my birthday meal. I don't know if anyone here has experienced saturn return as painful as I did. It was almost the most distressing moment of my life. I had a huge crisis.

Originally Posted by prettypiscesxoxo

I see your major conflict is the water-fire grand trine which it includes mars- mercury (conjunct your MC). Your problem is not lack of motivation although its there- I have sun, mars, venus ALL square Neptune!
Like your "luck" your energy/motivation fluctuate bc its influences by your environment & neptune is a spiritual but weak-willed planet prone to addictions, laziness, fantasizing, victimizing, etc...on the positive side- you are more AWARE of the subtle nuances within you & in your environment- you appear adaptable, however, you are stubbourn when your ambition has to be sacrificed for love or vice- versa (venus opp saturn)

I am a daydreamer and dreams seem to satisfy me more than reality. Infact so much so that I end up failing to need to fulfill my goals, having already been satisfied this way. I lack motivation. I am a bit lazy but it seems to have increased after I have gone through depression. It might have changed my personality to some extent. Though my depression is kind of indistinct like neptune is. I seem to live with it continually but I still take pleasure in doing things I like. Yet, I have energy and vision lack.

Originally Posted by prettypiscesxoxo

of course depression is chemical, spiritual, its also predisposed (herditary) - is there anyone else in your family prone to excessive sadness, mother perhaps? was there alot of bickering at home while you grew up...your mother wanted to be more independant but your father held her back- you witnessed a lot of arguments of a child- being extremely sensitive, you turned to spirituality or you learned to have a lot of faith in yourself.

My mother (Cap/Aries) is independent and a bit dominant. Yet my Scorpian father, though at least as dominant as her never seemed restricting to me. He is a liberal guy in many ways. I have been in conflict with my father so much when I was in my teens. Our solar conflict Scorpio-Aries was so obvious but as I started to feel more like my Asc. Cancer, things have changed considerably for the better. He is an aggressive man and quite hard to get along with but he himself has changed as well.

Originally Posted by prettypiscesxoxo

Somehow thats not enough. Since you were born to serve. Its also very difficult for you to assert what you really want for YOU- always feeling like a slave to other peoples desires. Yo need to acknowledge your PAST in order to get off the the merry-gp-round youre on.

Actually, I feel a bit selfish I am empathic and vulnerable to some extent but not always in service of others. I guess my moon in aries makes me kind of self-centered.

Originally Posted by prettypiscesxoxo

Let me know if anything I have said is true- still learning to interpret charts intuitively. Stay POSITIVE! Chin up
Cheers xx

I appreciate your deep analysis on my chart. I think so as to interpret charts better, one should consider every single placing. Your remarks are close to be accurate. Thank you so much.

Originally Posted by Lin

Having a 10th house sun is basically it's own reward. Every time you get positive transits to your Sun, you will get a jolt of energy. Actually, even difficult aspects to a 10thhouse Sun often gets one going. You also have a Aries moon, also in the 10th house!

Knowing that I have a stress in the tenth house is a huge relief yet I always had a problem with what profession to choose. I have writing skills (in my own language). I wish my job was related to it or at least involved me in public relations.

Originally Posted by Lin

I think Jupiter square your moon is responsible for a LOT of your issues. Study that aspect in your chart. I mean, really study it. The Moon is often overlooked, but you must not make that mistake as it is very powerful by nature, by sign, by virtue of it's being the ruler of your ascendant and by the fact of it's position in the 10th.

I am fond of luxury, comfort and good food and also a bit lazy. I tend to give up easily when I meet with obstacles and I attribute these tendencies to this aspect.

Originally Posted by Lin

Saturn in the 3rd is difficult because the 3rd respresents your daily activity and your ability or lack of ability to communicate your needs, intentions and thoughts.

I can lecture about an issue which I have very little idea of, for hours. I am said to be an efficient speaker and writer but when it requires a dialogue, conversation with someone I seem to lack fluency. I am a man of contradictions in many ways ;-) This is mainly what I get from Saturn in my third house. I have no brothers and sisters. Saturn in virgo, in the third house might have a connection with this as well. Virgo is said to be an infertile sign. Do you think she may function this way, placed in the third house?

Originally Posted by Lin

Neptune in the 6th makes it diffecult for you to feel secure and structured in your work life, and of course the square to Mars doesn't help. It makes you doubt yourself, hesitate in your actions, and maybe loose your enthusiasm.

I think neptune being in my house of health has something to do with my psychological problems. I had a hypnophobia (fear of sleep) and I sometimes recall it. My doctor said my depression might be triggered by my low quality sleep and that we should deal with it.

Originally Posted by Lin

By anyone's standards you have a regrograde chart. This is Karmic and you need to go deeply into your chart, studying it using many sources. If you want some good sources, let me know and I will give you the names of some books that have helped me with my clients.
LIN

I'd love to read a couple of those books you suggest for me since I so much want to have in depth information on Astrology in general and also "Karma". By the way, thank you so much for having my horoscope analyzed Lin. You gained me a broad perspective on some issues I hardly have realized.

Originally Posted by sagmoon

Horoscope can reveal reality and the depressed kind can become even more depressed as you feel you can not fight the stars. I say this because I hope the information which you get here will not affect you further. I truly believe that if your life is hard and you overcome it, you'll be a bigger winner than most. I say it because I'm in my mid 20's and there seems to be no end to my sufferings, and most of all obstacles.

I definitely believe that one should try to overcome his weak points in his/her horoscope even if the chart seems frustrating as a whole. Meanwhile, I'd love to hear more about your problems either through pm's or openly, however you like it. We cancerians should be in solidarity, being such vulnerable people I hope you can get over your problems soon. I am 29 and recently seem to have left some of them back. I hope it happens to you as well.

Originally Posted by sagmoon

Mars square neptune: lack of energy, sensitivity (neptune 6th: sensitive nervous system). Also I read in a very old 'medical astrology' book, that moon conjunct sun can leave a person depleted of energy, and be depression prone. You don't have a conjunction, but they are in the same sign, which may have a slight influence...

Well, I think sun and moon leads to a compatibility in an individuals ego and emotions therefore I don't consider it as an energy declining combination. Yet, I totally agree with you that mars-neptune square is not only exhausting but is also undermining motivation and self-confidence. Luckily I have Jupiter in the 1st house and I think of it as a bit of relief. Until the age of 26 I had no sexual problems but after than I end up having my libido declined. A few tests have been done and it turned out that my testosterone levels were below normal. I managed to get them higher but not much about my libido changed. Though they are not static recently. Besides low quality erections companied that. Neptune is transiting my 8 th house recently. Natally it has a square from mars, as you know. I feel she is in charge for this and it was so awful that I run into this situation at a time when I thought things were finally getting better. So neptune can be so bitchy as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by sagmoon

Overall I don't think you have 'that' much water. If you notice how some planets eg mercury, venus and jupiter are at their last degrees of the sign? You can rightly regard them as being in the other sign too, and very eager to get there.You are more fiery than you think. Also somewhere I read (don't remember where, bob marks perhaps) that planets at their last degrees are actually more energetic as they are eager to express that signs purpose (if that makes sense. perhaps I shall try to find the original source).

As a matter of fact, in the all astrology tests I have had, I turned out to be an airy person, having no planets in an air sign I have plenty of water signs but I don't think I am intuitive. I am a bit sentimental but doesn't reveal it much. Yet, I am a man of debate, said to be a good speaker (in my own language) said to have a good reasoning and indulge being conversational, I feel more like an airy person. My retro mercury has great aspects but I have saturn in the third house which can make me a bit cold and distant in communicating at times. Yet, I have no idea why I feel so airy.

Originally Posted by sagmoon

Good luck from another depressed cancer ascendant.

I have a solar aries and tend to think that a solar virgo or taurus would make me less vulnerable since cancer is more compatible with them. However, fiery and confident aries is, the one with cancer asc doesn't feel relieved since ego and personality are somewhat in a conflict.
Cancer has the potential to heal herself so try to rely on your sources within. Thank you so much for your remarks and analysis.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by prettypiscesxoxo

Well, Jupiter in the first is "lucky" however, conjunct your ascendant or MC etc... would be even better + Uranus Jupiter means that your "luck" is NOT consistant like if it aspected Saturn (your hard work would pay off BIG time).

I see your major conflict is the water-fire grand trine which it includes mars- mercury (conjunct your MC). Your problem is not lack of motivation although its there- I have sun, mars, venus ALL square Neptune!
Like your "luck" your energy/motivation fluctuate bc its influences by your environment & neptune is a spiritual but weak-willed planet prone to addictions, laziness, fantasizing, victimizing, etc...on the positive side- you are more AWARE of the subtle nuances within you & in your environment- you appear adaptable, however, you are stubbourn when your ambition has to be sacrificed for love or vice- versa (venus opp saturn)

Since Mercury is ruled by the element "Air" - your mind tends to be frustrated with logic or reality. Your major problem, quote me if I'm wrong- you OVER analyze everything & everyone arround you- especially second guessing your own immediate though process- these is a vicious circle that leads to degrading yourself in "negative" thought patterns.

of course depression is chemical, spiritual, its also predisposed (herditary) - is there anyone else in your family prone to excessive sadness, mother perhaps? was there alot of bickering at home while you grew up...your mother wanted to be more independant but your father held her back- you witnessed a lot of arguments of a child- being extremely sensitive, you turned to spirituality or you learned to have a lot of faith in yourself.

Somehow thats not enough. Since you were born to serve. Its also very difficult for you to assert what you really want for YOU- always feeling like a slave to other peoples desires. Yo need to acknowledge your PAST in order to get off the the merry-gp-round youre on.

Let me know if anything I have said is true- still learning to interpret charts intuitively. Stay POSITIVE! Chin up
Cheers xx

This person mercury is in WATER not air in pisces!! Square neptune doesnt to me suggest overanalytical mind, but confused thinking. There's many a slip between cup and lip comes to mind. It's all emotive thinking and in mutables can be duplicitious, exaggerate and tell porkies.....

Depressive aspects usually suggest Saturn Neptune in back aspect, also known as 'fear of the unknow' but these are not in aspect. But noting the trines in this chart does suggest inertia and thing coming easy without too much effort...

In Equal house sun, mercury and mars are all in 9th Cadent house, suggesting love of philosophy, travel, law, religion, higher education, police, in laws. May even live abroad

Mercury retrograde does suggests being analytical, but conjunct mars things could be blurted out and rather direct and to the point, espc about 9th house matters.... Look for the year when mercury goes direct for more progress in communications

Lin, sorry dont agree this person has karmic retrograde chart, the only planet worth looking at is mercury retrograde which has been examined...Jupiter in anarctic 29' perhaps

the crabs
"Our solar conflict Scorpio-Aries" these are inconjunct signs, so am not at all surprised, in relational forum you will find info on this

Your chart lacks planets in earth, which is actually the sign of a moneymaker, when you find your vocation though....

[autumnleaf]

Originally Posted by the_crabs

Cancer has the potential to heal herself so try to rely on your sources within. Thank you so much for your remarks and analysis.

I'm no astrologer but it sounds like once you figure out how to "mix" the right amounts of your fire and water you'll have steam. Then it'll be like someone lit a match under yer **** and there will be no stopping ya. In other words, once you find something that flips your cookies, all of these "natural resources" you have that are lying around gathering dust while you're pondering life you will suddenly know exactly how to use them in ways that will benefit the greater good.

You should read the thread about healing your wounds through Chiron. I have Chiron in Aries, so I completely understand when you say you feel a bit selfish, empathic and vulnerable but not always of service to others. Being of service to others is exactly how I break free from these negative thoughts and feelings.



:sunny:

[the_crabs]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Your chart lacks planets in earth, which is actually the sign of a moneymaker, when you find your vocation though....

Actually I also lack air signs. I have Saturn in Virgo and the only airy placing is Pluto in Libra which is rather generational. Yet, oddly, I feel so airy.

Originally Posted by autumnleaf

I'm no astrologer but it sounds like once you figure out how to "mix" the right amounts of your fire and water you'll have steam. Then it'll be like someone lit a match under yer **** and there will be no stopping ya. In other words, once you find something that flips your cookies, all of these "natural resources" you have that are lying around gathering dust while you're pondering life you will suddenly know exactly how to use them in ways that will benefit the greater good.

I strongly hope so. I'm tired of submiting myself to the idea that water puts out fire. I view the picture from the other way around. One can form a balance and moderate the extreme parts of the elements. If I haven't had cancer as an ascendant, I would jump into things without giving much thought, thanks to my solar aries. So it is not supposed to be all bad. I hope, I can soon reach that know-how for using those "natural resources".