Constellations

wet bull gives you wings · #1 12-13-2008, 09:18 PM

Ciao all,

This is my first post here, though I have been lurking around for a while. Just got into astrology in the past year or so, and just finished reading 'The Round Art' by A.T. Mann, highly recommend it. I'm just starting out with natal interpretation and this chart is my first order of business. It has some unique constellations in it, and I'm wondering if any of you have experience or ideas about these. I've attached the chart as I can't get the image to show up here from 'insert image'.

Here's what I see (It's my chart so perhaps a bit biased

)

Sun in Taurus - Definitely know my views/morals, etc. I need physical activity in my daily life or I am ungrounded and tend to fly into psychic imagination space. Grounding myself and the intense need for a regular grounding ritual, be it qi gong or yoga, has been a theme in my life. I am a good friend, and I see friendship/love as a lifetime commitment. Once I have established a friendship with someone, the rapport remains for life, even if we do not speak/see each other for a long time. I also need to feel materially secure (i.e. have some cash in the bank, a place to sleep, food to eat) in order to feel comfortable and access my higher self (creativity). I am a musician, a singer and percussionist. I know Taurus relates to the throat, and rhythm comes from the ground, a very physical sensation.

Moon in Cancer - I think I fit this. Very emotionally sensitive, a nurturer. I have to express myself artistically, have extremely strong emotions, intuitions. I tend to see people very clearly, pick up on subtle cues, intonations, see their ways of relating to themselves and others. Have a tendency to get carried away by strong emotions, once again need to be grounded.

Venus in Gemini - I love. That's what I do, I feel. Sometimes I feel so ecstatically in love with everything that I can't take it. I went through a very strange phase in my life where I was in love with two women (they were best friends). It wasn't possible to explain to them, because of our social/cultural paradigms for love, that I loved both of them. I felt totally in love with each, and still do. I have to keep myself under control, because I could probably love anything if I looked at it intensely.

Jupiter, Mercury, Sun constellation in Taurus - A little out of my league here, but I will make a guess. I seek to communicate with the whole human race, I want to influence the world in a positive way. I am on a quest to expand my sense of self to encompass the whole of existence, and I want to help others feel whole, complete, tap into their creative capacities through imagination and communication through music, theatre, writing, the arts in general. That's my goal in life. This makes a Trine to

Uranus, Saturn, Neptune in Capricorn - Another doozy. Neptune is higher octave of love, drugs and spirituality etc. I definitely have a vested interest in altered states of consciousness, and at a young age exhibited an interest in meditation, yoga, psychedelic self-induced states, etc. In my pursuit of self-knowledge or gnosis, I have seen very high highs of unity feelings, and very low lows of terrible aloneness. I realize that both of these feelings are truthful representations of reality and strive for balance. Uranus may indicate the unique nature of my consciousness explorations, as I have had many experiences which it seems few can relate to. I hope that the Saturn indicates my ability to discipline myself enough to achieve self-actualization, mastery, but I'm still working on it.

Pluto in Scorpio - This is kind of a generational thing, yeah? I do feel a lot of sexual impulse in myself, and have struggled with my own sexual mistakes and the cultural embedded puritan ideals of sexuality being bad. Now I am trying to embrace the sexual part of me, integrating it, without looking to others as objects of sexual fulfillment.

The constellations and my ascendant form a Grand Earth Trine. I definitely am connected to my body in a huge way, practicing yoga with great success in increasing body awareness. I have quit smoking cigarettes recently and way cut down on coffee, because as my body awareness increases I cannot take the stimulation they give me (I shake).

Mars in Aquarius - I definitely find strange ways to express my excess of energy, many of which I keep to myself because many societally 'normal' individuals are intimidated by my 'strange behavior'. I am very interested in affecting some sort of societal change, towards a more wholistic society and acceptance of our selves - light and dark.

so there you go. I don't know enough about the nodes or chiron to really do an interpretation of them right now.

what do you think about this chart, these constellations, this grand earth trine? Thanks in advance for your thoughts, and hopefully I will be able to contribute to the community as I grow in the practice of this art.

Peace

archergirl · #2 12-15-2008, 08:09 AM

Hello WBGYW, Welcome to the forum!

Great efforts on reading your chart. You are relating the planets back to yourself, which is a fine start.

The next step is to look at where the planets are in your chart...because this will show where in the arena of your life you express them. House placement is very significant; it is the next layer to uncover, along with the relationships between the planets.

There isn't a Grand Earth Trine in your chart unless you are counting the ASC...you don't have any planets in Virgo. However, you have some interesting aspects, particularly the oppositions to Pluto, the squares to Mars, and the trine between your two stellia - one in the 4th house of 'roots' and one in the 9th house of 'travel and higher thinking'. What do you make of those? What do these aspects represent, and how do you think they are playing out in your chart?

Probing,
AG

wilsontc · #3 12-15-2008, 03:11 PM

wings,

AG said:

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Originally Posted by archergirl

you have some interesting aspects, particularly the oppositions to Pluto, the squares to Mars, and the trine between your two stellia - one in the 4th house of 'roots' and one in the 9th house of 'travel and higher thinking'. What do you make of those? What do these aspects represent, and how do you think they are playing out in your chart?

Following up on these points:

One simple way to work on reading charts is to look for chart aspect patterns. One aspect pattern is your T-square to Mars (which AG refers to) (more about T-squares here: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TCross15.1.htm ). Also there are MANY blue lines (easy energy) between planets in the 9th house and 4th house (which AG also refers to). Another thing to look for is least or un-aspected planets. You have two: Moon (home, also emotions) and Venus (physical, also personal values/relationships), indicating you do not "connect in" to these energies and so may OVERdo them if you are not careful ( more on unaspected planets here: http://astrology.findyourfate.com/as...tedplanets.htm ). You also have North node (future goals) in the 7th house (relationships), indicating you have a goal in your life of developing relationships (more on that placement here: http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.c...orth-node.html ).

So there you go! By looking at the "big picture" patterns in the chart, we can very quickly sum up major issues in the chart.

Charting,

Tim

wet bull gives you wings · #4 12-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Thanks for your replies.

I'll have to consider that T-Square more.. I think the North Node placement in Pisces fits who I am. One of my challenges has been to be more accepting of myself and allow mistakes. I think in my future I will be a teacher/counselor/therapist, whether through music or yoga or some combination of the two.

I was counting my ascendant, by the way

. The trines between those houses make sense. I have a very strong feeling I will be using roots (the motherland, africa) and travel (going abroad to study the rituals, applications) and then using them to open people up to themselves and the world.

Do you guys find that constellations have an increasing effect in transits, aspects, (ie they add energy/potential to a situation) or just complicate them?

wet bull gives you wings · #5 12-15-2008, 10:45 PM

p.s. I don't see how the moon or venus are unaspected... moon trine pluto, venus trine mars?

wilsontc · #6 12-15-2008, 11:09 PM

wings,

You asked:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wet bull gives you wings

p.s. I don't see how the moon or venus are unaspected... moon trine pluto, venus trine mars?

I think the orbs (how close the aspects have to be to each other) to be too wide in both cases for the trines indicated. Astro.com is known for having VERY wide orbs and sometimes aspects which show on astro.com many astrologers would not recognize as being "in aspect."

Aspectfully yours,

Tim

wilsontc · #7 12-15-2008, 11:16 PM

wings,

You asked:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wet bull gives you wings

Do you guys find that constellations have an increasing effect in transits, aspects, (ie they add energy/potential to a situation) or just complicate them?

The objects we are discussing in your chart are called "planets" not "constellations". "Planets", in the sense that we are using the word, is an ASTROLOGICAL term, not an ASTRONOMICAL term (for instance, in astronomy the Sun and Moon are NOT considered "planets"). "Constellations" is an ASTRONOMICAL term, not an ASTROLOGICAL term (for instance, the positioning of the astronomical "constellations" do NOT match up to the ASTROLOGICAL "signs" in Western astrology).

If you are talking about astrological planets, the planets themselves are the "energy" in the chart, and they have an increasing effect when they are moving into aspect ("applying") and a decreasing effect when they are moving out of aspect ("separating").

About the differences,

Tim

wet bull gives you wings · #8 12-17-2008, 09:47 PM

Tim,

Thanks for your contributions to this thread. By Constellations, I meant those groupings of three planets that are within each others orb. i.e. constellation = a group of conjunct planets.

cheers

astrologer50 · #9 12-17-2008, 10:15 PM

What is also quite noticeable to me is that you have chosen placidus instead of Equal house systems. Maybe a little more study, research, cos it does move certain planets from houses to other houses.

eg;Sun/mercuy is in 8th house and Jupiter in 9th, then Neptune in 5th not 4th house. Only you can decide which bets fits your character hon....

To have a moon unaspected is very rare, are you sure of the time?
will PM your unaspected Venus cos not sure of author.....

Quite notably Transiting Pluto is going to conjunct your natal Saturn next year in 4th house
http://www.cafeastrology.com/plutotransits.html

wilsontc · #10 12-18-2008, 05:04 AM

wings,

You said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by wet bull gives you wings

By Constellations, I meant those groupings of three planets that are within each others orb. i.e. constellation = a group of conjunct planets.

Ah! I understand my confusion now: thanks!

There is an astrological term for a "group of conjunct planets" and that is "stellium". I think if you use the term "stellium" going forward to describe "a group of conjunct planets, others will not have the confusion I had when I saw the word "constellation".

More here:
http://www.astrology.com/aboutastrol.../stellium.html

Conjuncting,

Tim