Birth chart of Jesus?

[piercethevale]

[I apologize for having deleted most of this thread...to many trolls and I didn't have enough time to deal with them....here is a link to another site where-in I give a good introductory to this material...once you've read that ...please feel free to join in the discussion here...thanks...ptv....aka David Mastrogiovanni aka Dave Mastry aka Devananda]

http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=196

[tikana]

okay

i dont know if anyone read the latest news but
aussie astronomer figured out that Jesus was born June 15th 2nd year AD

this is last weekend's news

T

[starlink]

Dave, I deleted the double post for you and PM'd you on how to do it yourself next time, should you want to do that.

Cheers, Starlink

[starlink]

My goodness, Pierce, you are quite something! For me this is really unknown territory with matrixes and Julian Calendars etc. so I hope you forgive me if I dont comment on your post. But I must say, you do come up with very special posts always.

Starlink

[tikana]

Hi Star

believe it or not julian calendar is still being used in northern africa... it was used in europe until 1582 ... then it was switched to Gregorian

T

[starlink]

Tika, thanks. I once had to change timefrom Gregorian to our calendar (my Russian Grandmother in law) but Julian calendar I never dealt with.

[tikana]

Starlink

it is relatively easy one

January, april, June, August, November and December had 29 days ... that is prior to 45 BC
ohh yeah and they had a month called Intercalaris.. it is between Febuary and March
Feburary in leap year had 23 or 24 days

after 46 bc, Intercalaris was abolished

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

T

[smilingsteph]

Congratulations on your book! It is so amazing to see all of these talented and wonderful people on this website!

While I am pretty new at astrology myself, I know the basics (I think), do you think this book would go above the knowledge that I have?
I am interested in reading it, but with my Gemini self I love to read fast, and if things get too complicated I go nuts!
Edit again,
Would I need another resource book to help me to understand it? I am very interested!

[Claire19]

My strong feeling is that Jesus was born around 7 BC our time. It is possible he was born in March, I would agree. I have researched this subject quite extensively and my belief that in 33AD when he was crucified that he was around 39 or 40. There are strong arguments for this which I wont go into on this forum.

[starlink]

...and May 7th at 18:43 hr?...I was born May 6 at 18:41...???...!!!

Really??!! I was born on May 5th at 18:46! So what is his Asc? Scorpio or maybe just Sagittarius?

[Lions215]

Piercetheveil,
I always remember that that Jesus was described as being a King,and the fact that his birth was recognized by those who had studied the stars and they followed this star because a great King was to be born.Can that be found in this natal chart also?

[Lions215]

I always found it amazing how the church always condemns astrology yet it was with the use of astrology that prompted the magi as well as others to even try to find the coming King .And to this day the Magi or as they are called the wise men are always shown in a nativity woshipping the Christ child with thier gifts.In my own personal life this was one of the reasons I began to study astrology,for years as a christian being taught it was evil,I have since realized that we can't just go by what we are taught.We must find out for ourselves the truths behind what we have been taught and then and only then can we hopefully find the truth.I consider my self lucky because I know so many people in the church will never come to this realization,they think they are questioning God and the church but I believe God wants us to question the church and thier beliefs.I mean after all didn't he.

[Bjorkstrand]

I use 6 Jan 6 BC midnight for jesus's chart in bethlehem.
Moon is in cancer at home 16 deg conjunct eris(superman)
Jupiter conjunct saturn + 2007 OR10 in pisces
asc=10 deg libra 45 minutes (a teacher looking over glasses)
sun = 13 deg capricorn 48 minutes(an ancient bass relief in granite)
It is like one of those buddha statues in the east.
I'll get into the sabian symbols an other day

Jim

[Bjorkstrand]

Progressed charts are a lie.

CHeck out the resurection of jesus the christ
4 apr 28 AD julian at sunrise in Jerusalem(Garden tomb=35 deg 13' 47.92" E, 31 deg 47' 1.87" N) Source for place = wikipedia

It is the birth of christianity
The ascendant + sun = an unexploded bomb?
The moon conjuncts sedna.

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

I just came across this article and wanted to add it into the mix of choices. Perhaps this could also be analyzed with sabian's to see how it stands?

http://zyntara.com/VisualAstrologyNe...05/dec2005.htm

[Amy Vir Sn Ari Mn Pis Ris]

Pierce - I always appreciate your imput on this and of course I've greatly noted the 19th degree of Pisces since that is my rising. = - )

I found that article interesting because it seemed to be promoting the idea that it was the sky and not a physical manifestation of Jesus here on earth as much as noted in the stars.

I knew I could count on your imput and I was looking forward to it in fact.

Thank you as always!

[juicey J.]

I wonder if Jesus's birth chart is a mystery for a reason.

[juicey J.]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

[I apologize for breaking my vow...but I do have to say this ...]

Juicey J...if you've read all the previous posts in this thread and it is still a mystery to you then, yes, there must be a reason for that.

Who said the birth you gave is right? Can you know for absolute certain? Your going by the theory of the star being the moon obsuring a star in aries where as many say it was saturn/jupiter conjunction in pisces and I heard from one source uranus was involved in said aligment.

[ImNotThere9]

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[rahu]

piercethevale

i have glanced through this thread but i may have missed some statements that would pertain to my thoughts,if so please be patient.

the first point that aroused my critical nature was your use of easter as being a point of reference. i realize it is the first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox, but it seems thatyou should consider pasover as the easter was not instuited until centuries after the birth.

i also assign great signifigance to edgar cayce.he mentions that jesus was an essene but also that mary was a priestess, i beleive he said mary was the12th out of twelve,she was not the high priestess.there was a problem because the holy spirit was to enter the body of the high priestess but instead enter mary's body.this created the problems that lead to mary having to leave the qumran settlement.

i also wonder why no mentioned is made of the likelyhood that the essenes were the house of zadok.aaron had given the control of the temple cultus to the house of zadok in the time of moses.they held this right until the maccabean revolution in 150bc when the maccabees gave the control of the temple cultus to the hasmoneans who were a secular family.herod's legitmacy was based on the fact that he married a hasmonean princess.

so the fact that the essenes folowed the temple cultus and referred to the priest in jerusalem as usurpers implies they were descended from the house of zadok.
the second book of maccabees states that after the refusal of the maccabees to return the house of zadok to their hereditary right,"they dissappeared in to the desert".also it is mentioned that the house of zadok contained both high priests and high priestess.

the settlement at qumran,and it was a settlement and not soley a monastic retreat is made apparent by the grave yard which contained graves of men and women.
by their own writtings the essenes purpose was to have the teacher of righteousness/messiah born from them/every man fulfilled his domestic duties and then a point in his life ,he dedicated hi life to bringing in the messiah.this was their conscious purpose.and as the qumran settlement began circa 150bc in the desert and the house of zadok dissappeared into the desert circa 150 bc........ why is no attention brought to this.

the qumran settlement was occupied til 5bc,i believe, when it a was damaged by a severe earthquake.it was not reoccupied until approximaetly 30 ad and continue until it was utterly leveled by the romans along with all jerusalem in 140 ad.my dates may be off a few years as i have not thought about this for some time.

so the 30 years of jesus life could be represented. and as jesus the christ/messiah/annointed one,when after his death god did not destroy the roman/oppressors,the essences returned to qumran to develope the theology that has evolved into christianity.

so these archeological facts about qumran leads me to place jesus birth in 5 bc,again the actual archeological date may be 6 bc as i am not current in my thoughts as previously mentioned.

rahu

[rahu]

piercethevale
instead of sending you obtuse pms as you have me.
i will continue this train of thought.
which leads me to place jesus's birth in gemini.

rahu

[Ajna]

He was born in summer, so I'm guessing he's a Leo, since he's a teacher. And he was way confident of his status as messiah and all that.

I also think he had Uranus in Sagittarius or in the 9th house since he was a radical in the area of spirituality. Or lots of Aquarius and Sagittarius placements.

Since he had lots of friends of both sexes, I think he had 11th house planets too.

Then since he didn't put his teachings in print, he probably didn't have a strong Virgo placement. But he might have had a strong Gemini or Mercury because he was a master storyteller and was able to maintain the attention of crowds in his many speeches.

Maybe he had difficult aspects to the 10th house or to Saturn...issues with authority. But soft aspects to the 4th house or Moon since he was close to his mother until his afterlife.

I don't know what placement it is, probably Saturn or MC, but the progressed form made him emerge in his life's calling at age 30.

Lastly, he might have had a Pisces ascendant and many 12th house planets, being so involved with unreal/surreal and out of this world things, frequent time-out escapes to pray, and using water for a number of his miracles (water to wine, healing the blind, calming the storm, wine to blood).

[Ajna]

I enjoyed getting my regular dose of online aggression by following this thread in my email notification.

Merry Christmas!

[piercethevale]

Hi. I have other endeavors to do that are a great deal of demand on my time. Thus my having to bounce back to this thread every time some 'widjet head' throws a spanner at me was getting very annoying. [such as the last two posts above...not one comment on anything to do with Sabian Symbols or technique ...just a 'spanner' thrown and rather poorly,]
Thus I deleted all the previous posts so I won't have to worry about vultures picking at my remains while I'm gone.
To those of you that aren't 'up to date' with this work of mine and the chart produced...get hip...read the book and then join in.
[Or you can find a concise synopsis at actastrology.com in the Sabian Forum]
The rest of you will like this new revelation/development
[Note I will delete this post in 2 weeks...!]
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New Observation on...

The Septile Matrix.
["According to Marc [Edmond] Jones, the key meaning of the septile is 'fatality'..." {Dane Rudhyar and Leyla Rael; "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach."]

The Septile Matrix that has 4 of the 7 points complete at birth are:
#1. Pluto/Asc/Moon @ 29* Virgo 25'- 0* Libra 59' [allowing a wide orb of influence around the Zodiac.]
#3. Mars @ 18* Gemini 56"
#5. Venus @ 06* Pisces 47"
#7. Neptune @ 24* Scorpio 26'

The missing points that were filled the day after, what would have to have been, the first Easter Sunday. [ i.e. The first Sunday after the first Full Moon of Spring]

#2. Saturn @ 12* Leo 39' & Jupiter @ 12* Leo 57'
#4. Sun @ 25 Aries 29'
#6. Moon @ 14* Capricorn 00"

Interestingly, these following Arabic Parts of the natal chart...please note:

Part of Death [Medval] [C8 + Saturn -Moon] @ 07* Aquarius 19* directly opposite point #2
Part of Bereavement [C12 + R12 - Neptune] @ 09* Aquarius 53'... almost directly opposite point # 2.
Part of Insincerity [Asc + Moon - Neptune] @ 16* Gemini 57' conj. point # 3.
Part of Disputes Asc + Venus - Mars] 18* Gemini 34' conj. point # 3.
Part of False Love [Asc. + Neptune - Venus] @ 18* Gemini 22' conj. point # 3.
Part of Disappointment [[Asc. - + Mars - Neptune] @ 25* Aries 13' conj. point # 4.
Part of Life/Re-incarnation [Asc + Saturn - Jupiter] @ 25* Aries 57' conj. point # 4.
Part of Death/Disaster {Asc + C8 - Moon} @ 29* Aries 36' [about 2-* off the conj....allowable, conj. point #4.]
Part of Suicide [Asc. + C8 - Neptune] 04* Pisces 35' conj. point # 5
Part of Deceit [Asc + Venus - Neptune] 13* Capricorn 05' conj. point # 6.
Part of Destiny [M.C. + Sun - Moon] 13* Capricorn 14' conj. point # 6.
Part of Unusual Events [Asc + Uranus - Moon] 25* Scopio 43' conj. point #7.
Part of Discord [Asc + Jupiter -Mars] 24* Taurus 59' directly opp. point #7.

For what this may be of worth to some of you , Ruldolph Steiner said the day of death was 14 days after Jesus/Yeshuas' 32nd birthday and this is 14 days after the day I say is the birth i.e. April 2nd.

[piercethevale]

I'll post the Birth Chart and the 'Death Chart again for any one that wants to check the results for themselves.











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