Venus Doesn't Rule True Love Pluto Does!!!!

redwolf481 · #1 11-28-2008, 08:41 AM

I just watched that movie twilight online....while the movie was mediocre the relationship between the two characters was plutonic and reminded me in certain ways of the only true love i have ever had for a person.....everyone has heard me cry and cry about this old love I had in other posts......heres my new belief

venus rules relationships and affection....the relationship and all the politics that come with it and the lovey dovey feelings and affection you have with the other person....most of your life you feel this in relationships even some of the best ones you have...every woman no matter how weak their venus is represents venus in certain ways...(cause thats where women come from lol)

mars is the desire...its lust...its getting turned on by physical characteristics
behaviors that others do....mars by itself when the lust is over everyone wants to leave and feels guilty or disgusted with themselves or we all have our reaction but we wanna leave once the lust and desire is gone......every guy represents mars in a way even if their mars is weak(cause thats where men come from ha ha)

if cupid is venus son....hes getting his arrows from pluto.....you see someone across and EYES meet and an intense chemistry is allready there....you feel as if you've known this person even though you have never met....your heart feels like its been shot with a shotgun rather than an arrow....it feels as if your soul has seen its lover from another life and goes esctatic every time you see that person and it wants to scream I love you...you try to rationalize with it and tell it you haven't even started dating yet and its screams I allready know what I know...you try to control your emtions around that person but no matter how much you try you can't.....you do stupid stuff around her your knees buckle...you start screaming at her like ron burgandy when you meant to just casually say hi.....you want to merge with that person....you kiss its the fireworks....you strip away every layer and share yourself with her like no other person......pluto is true love once you feel it every other love is superfiscial...and not as fufilling...you can have sex with the most beautiful girls, but once the desire and lust is gone your back to being unfufilled.....you can get in a lovey dovey relationship with someone you truly have affection for...but its nothing like when your heart feels like its gonna fall out of your chest when your plutonain lover would smile...the relationship feels fake and superfiscial its the notebook when rachel mccadams knows her relationship with her rich boyfriend is a match in every way and she truly has affection and love for him....but whens shes around ryan reynolds her heart does flips in her chest and she just KNOWS.....its true intimacy and though the sex is special.......the intimacy you feel just being with that person is irriplaceable and plutos true meaning that intimacy is more powerful than lust or affection

redwolf481 · #2 11-28-2008, 08:43 AM

THIS IS A POST i POSTED IN VENUS PLUTO CONNECTIONS

the only girl I ever loved........I am a venusian(libra rising venus in taurus) venus in taurus is my second strongest planet but just barely behind pluto in scorpio......I am plutonian first....gemini moon in taurus venus in taurus, mercury and mars in cancer.......my love was a pisces rising virgo sun...with mercury in virgo, venus in scorpio, mars in capricorn jupiter in pisces and neptune in cap.....her venus is 3 degrees scorpio conjunct pluto in scorpio in her 8th house.... my pluto is 2 degrees scorpio( so it conjunct her pluto and venus in her 8th house) my mars in cancer is 3 degrees(trine her venus and pluto) my sun is 23 degrees gemini (wide orb trine her venus and scorpio) my venus is opposite her venus her mars trines my venus(wide orb) we also have many other aspects with chiron...the nodes...saturn...it goes on.....this was exactly 2 years ago june 06-october 06....I recently posted a not on craigslist missed connections and will give you an idea of what happened....I never knew it would actually feel like cupid shot you...It felt like I knew her before....it was sooooo intense(it scared me I said all the wrong things)

heres my post

I worked with you at on the halfshell 2 years ago summer of 06....the first time i met you it felt like I had met someone I already knew...you were familiar...I shook it off you had a boyfriend and i was intrested in the girl working next door...we ended up working together...you broke up with your boyfriend and I talked to you more and more....one day as you were serving I looked at you from the stairs above and it felt like I had been shot in the chest with a shotgun...you were so beautiful.....I never knew i could feel that way I mean...i guess I allways thought i would through dating finnaly find the right person who i liked physically and mentally...i never knew it would feel as if your heart would fall from your chest as if it didn't belong to you anymore....it felt as if you felt it too....but i didn't feel worthy of you..... how when you could have anyone why me....we started talking...but I didn't want my bussiness out at work and know youd didn't either...I started texting you but that proved disasterous....you would turn on and off like a lightswitch...I thought it was because I had become too emotional as a guy and wasn't being macho enough...(eventually I realised it was because it was hard for you to be vulnerable and you couldn't read me because I went from being myself to trying to be an ashole)..I needed to be a guy so i started to try to bust on you....but no matter how much I tried to control my emotions I would melt when I would see you and it came out wrong...like steve carrell in the 40 year old virgin..I said these things out of awkwardness not because I was trying to hurt you..I should of been honest with you and been your friend so that you could of learned to trust me..and know what type of guy i was...I said things to you that hurt your feelings....you couldn't believe I said those things to you and a friend told me you felt I was playing with your emotions....you stopped talking to me we eventually found new jobs...I now live in austin....in the 2 years since I have met you there hasn't been a day I haven't thought of you when I go to sleep and when I wake up....I live austin there is an abundance of beautiful women and I work in 2 of the top bars...but none of them give me the same feeling and nothing measures up...its been hard for me to date..my heart aches...I have never been so sure about someone...even if I am wrong and you feel nothing for me....I am sorry to have hurt the only girl I have ever truly cared about.......you'll probably never read this...but....

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starlink · #4 11-28-2008, 10:17 AM

Redwolf, hi, I can completely understand why you think that Pluto is ruling true love and Venus "just" love and affection. But you are wrong I'm afraid.
The fact that Plutonic relationships feel like you are thrown off your socks far more powerful than without Pluto involved, shows more of a compulsive sort of love and is very often related to a Karmic bond people sometimes have with another person. You knew this person from another life, hence the "It feels like I have know her/him, all my life" and this is what creates that overwhelming feeling which sometimes lacks with the more serene Venus love.

Pluto can create great havoc in love relationships because it is incredibly difficult to let go of a Plutonic-karmic relationship. Yes, it does create the idea of super intense love, but it is more of an addictive, compulsive and powerful attraction than that it is real, deep love.

Maybe you like to call this real love, but actually real love between two people is often based on mutual respect, trust (no jealousy) and less sexual. Plutonic love can create terrible scenes of jealousy because trust is often totally lacking. It is a very sexual sort of love based on physical attraction whereas real love has to do with loving the person for it's qualities, no matter how this person looks like from the outside.
So, Venus still is the ruler of real love in my opinion, not Pluto.

Cheers, Starlink

redwolf481 · #5 11-28-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by starlink

Redwolf, hi, I can completely understand why you think that Pluto is ruling true love and Venus "just" love and affection. But you are wrong I'm afraid.
The fact that Plutonic relationships feel like you are thrown off your socks far more powerful than without Pluto involved, shows more of a compulsive sort of love and is very often related to a Karmic bond people sometimes have with another person. You knew this person from another life, hence the "It feels like I have know her/him, all my life" and this is what creates that overwhelming feeling which sometimes lacks with the more serene Venus love.

Pluto can create great havoc in love relationships because it is incredibly difficult to let go of a Plutonic-karmic relationship. Yes, it does create the idea of super intense love, but it is more of an addictive, compulsive and powerful attraction than that it is real, deep love.

Maybe you like to call this real love, but actually real love between two people is often based on mutual respect, trust (no jealousy) and less sexual. Plutonic love can create terrible scenes of jealousy because trust is often totally lacking. It is a very sexual sort of love based on physical attraction whereas real love has to do with loving the person for it's qualities, no matter how this person looks like from the outside.
So, Venus still is the ruler of real love in my opinion, not Pluto.

Cheers, Starlink

you make a good point I will have to keep thinking on it...but I agree that it is hard to let the person go(its been over 2 years and I haven't seen her..yet I have thought about every day for those 2 years(literally)

Pallas-trine-Mars · #6 11-29-2008, 02:27 AM

I'm afraid I agree with Redwolf, Starlink. Actually, I don't think either of these planets rules true love. I believe Cancer is the most love-related sign as it encompasses every kind of close bond, family, romance, friendship, loyalty, though, not tough love as much, I guess that would be Capricorn or Libra but this is beside the point. My definition of true love is that it is an emotional state of mind that is very complex and very few people actually ever accomplish. It's the ability to see the whole of something, good, bad, beautiful and terrible and still be enamored with it (Venus at 24 Leo, Mars at 20 Leo, Moon 8 Aquarius and Pluto at 12 Scorpio: Totally fixed! lol).

I experience Venus' "personality/temperament" (through transit conjunctions I mean) as a spirited attracting force which is peaceful, aesthetic, congenial, actively looking for common ground and shared pleasures, but also detached, aloof, fickle, cruel even (girls -- am I right? lol It's almost scary how Libra-like in good and bad ways Venus is! ...Taurus too. These are the conditions Venus seems to attract and how I perceive the Venusian persona). This sounds like a force which is afraid of total love, never really trusting anyone completely, making imaginary boundaries and always keeping just enough distance to escape.

Pluto, however, is all about the merge (let's not forget the 8th house is sex and shared resources!). Not really romantic, but extremely intense, loyal, open, sensual. But here's the problem: Love for Pluto is in dominating and humiliating the closest or strongest people it loves or those with some perceived weakness, and so you can expect manipulation and for Pluto to be cruel for the intention of destroying your self-esteem and making you think and feel that you can't do better. Is this love?

Mars is legendary for tearing people apart, literally. Only good for trying to achieve some goal (like orgasm), not much else and often selfish too. Anything else it's just extra energy in need of an outlet or pent up emotions that just explode, not easy to find love if people see you as hostile or destructive (is this why ancient astrologers thought Mars was dignified in water, supposedly partly ruled by Venus?).

Venus sees the beauty (might later grow bored of it), Pluto feels the lust, Mars does the nasty stuff (might later go on his way after getting what he wanted, I think this is usually Venus though).

We can't forget the other love planets: Sun, Moon, Juno and Neptune; Mercury,Vesta and Jupiter (some say Uranus too idk) are good uniters I think. Just my $0.02, can't see the charts, so not much that I can say about them I'm afraid, but sorry about how the romance ended.

redwolf481 · #7 11-29-2008, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pallas-trine-Mars

I'm afraid I agree with Redwolf, Starlink. Actually, I don't think either of these planets rules true love. I believe Cancer is the most love-related sign as it encompasses every kind of close bond, family, romance, friendship, loyalty, though, not tough love as much, I guess that would be Capricorn or Libra but this is beside the point. My definition of true love is that it is an emotional state of mind that is very complex and very few people actually ever accomplish. It's the ability to see the whole of something, good, bad, beautiful and terrible and still be enamored with it (Venus at 24 Leo, Mars at 20 Leo, Moon 8 Aquarius and Pluto at 12 Scorpio: Totally fixed! lol).

I experience Venus' "personality/temperament" (through transit conjunctions I mean) as a spirited attracting force which is peaceful, aesthetic, congenial, actively looking for common ground and shared pleasures, but also detached, aloof, fickle, cruel even (girls -- am I right? lol It's almost scary how Libra-like in good and bad ways Venus is! ...Taurus too. These are the conditions Venus seems to attract and how I perceive the Venusian persona). This sounds like a force which is afraid of total love, never really trusting anyone completely, making imaginary boundaries and always keeping just enough distance to escape.

Pluto, however, is all about the merge (let's not forget the 8th house is sex and shared resources!). Not really romantic, but extremely intense, loyal, open, sensual. But here's the problem: Love for Pluto is in dominating and humiliating the closest or strongest people it loves or those with some perceived weakness, and so you can expect manipulation and for Pluto to be cruel for the intention of destroying your self-esteem and making you think and feel that you can't do better. Is this love?

Mars is legendary for tearing people apart, literally. Only good for trying to achieve some goal (like orgasm), not much else and often selfish too. Anything else it's just extra energy in need of an outlet or pent up emotions that just explode, not easy to find love if people see you as hostile or destructive (is this why ancient astrologers thought Mars was dignified in water, supposedly partly ruled by Venus?).

Venus sees the beauty (might later grow bored of it), Pluto feels the lust, Mars does the nasty stuff (might later go on his way after getting what he wanted, I think this is usually Venus though).

We can't forget the other love planets: Sun, Moon, Juno and Neptune; Mercury,Vesta and Jupiter (some say Uranus too idk) are good uniters I think. Just my $0.02, can't see the charts, so not much that I can say about them I'm afraid, but sorry about how the romance ended.

thanks for the support pa;as but I disagree on one point at least...everyone associates pluto with sex....I think mars is sex.....mars is energy...I had a friend tell me that her guru said intense people masturbate a lot...it releases their energy...I have noticed after sex or masturbation...I feel like I am relieved of this pent up intensity its great before and while it starts but afterwords I feel drained or relieved...and then I am normal again and then if I have no loving feelings for the person...or even if I am affectionate I wanna leave....thats everyone....the guy who cheats on is girlfriend is driven by lust...as soon as its gone he feels guilty and has to get out of there....mars is sex for pleasure for realsing energy.....

pluto I believe is merging...love making,,,,connection with another person....dude have you ever kissed someone when your drunk or kissed someone you really didn't have a connection with....it doesn't feel the same as kissing and being with someone thats sparks those fireworks and chemistry(I had a friend say it was like kissing yourself) pluto is intimacy sharing yourself with another person whether emotionally, or physically or just trusting to let someone in your world....pluto is the real stuff...mars is porno pluto is the passionate lovemaking of lovers...I don't know how to describe it...you cradle their face in your hands they are so precious to you you make love to show your love not love to release lust.....lol understand

rogue_red · #8 11-29-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pallas-trine-Mars

I'm afraid I agree with Redwolf, Starlink. Actually, I don't think either of these planets rules true love. I believe Cancer is the most love-related sign as it encompasses every kind of close bond, family, romance, friendship, loyalty, though, not tough love as much, I guess that would be Capricorn or Libra but this is beside the point. My definition of true love is that it is an emotional state of mind that is very complex and very few people actually ever accomplish. It's the ability to see the whole of something, good, bad, beautiful and terrible and still be enamored with it (Venus at 24 Leo, Mars at 20 Leo, Moon 8 Aquarius and Pluto at 12 Scorpio: Totally fixed! lol).

I experience Venus' "personality/temperament" (through transit conjunctions I mean) as a spirited attracting force which is peaceful, aesthetic, congenial, actively looking for common ground and shared pleasures, but also detached, aloof, fickle, cruel even (girls -- am I right? lol It's almost scary how Libra-like in good and bad ways Venus is! ...Taurus too. These are the conditions Venus seems to attract and how I perceive the Venusian persona). This sounds like a force which is afraid of total love, never really trusting anyone completely, making imaginary boundaries and always keeping just enough distance to escape.

Pluto, however, is all about the merge (let's not forget the 8th house is sex and shared resources!). Not really romantic, but extremely intense, loyal, open, sensual. But here's the problem: Love for Pluto is in dominating and humiliating the closest or strongest people it loves or those with some perceived weakness, and so you can expect manipulation and for Pluto to be cruel for the intention of destroying your self-esteem and making you think and feel that you can't do better. Is this love?

Mars is legendary for tearing people apart, literally. Only good for trying to achieve some goal (like orgasm), not much else and often selfish too. Anything else it's just extra energy in need of an outlet or pent up emotions that just explode, not easy to find love if people see you as hostile or destructive (is this why ancient astrologers thought Mars was dignified in water, supposedly partly ruled by Venus?).

Venus sees the beauty (might later grow bored of it), Pluto feels the lust, Mars does the nasty stuff (might later go on his way after getting what he wanted, I think this is usually Venus though).

We can't forget the other love planets: Sun, Moon, Juno and Neptune; Mercury,Vesta and Jupiter (some say Uranus too idk) are good uniters I think. Just my $0.02, can't see the charts, so not much that I can say about them I'm afraid, but sorry about how the romance ended.

Ok, you have some really interesting points BUT to say that cancer epitomises love just doesnt sit right.

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I believe Cancer is the most love-related sign as it encompasses every kind of close bond, family, romance, friendship, loyalty,

Dont mistake the emotionalism of cancer as being the epitomy of love. Look at aries, such innocence, joy, need...when we talk of love are these not the fledgling feelings we have. Every sign equally has a reflection of love, even cold cappy and detatched aquarius. They just show it differently.
I agree with you that there is no single planet of love, Saturn gives commitment, uranus brings thrills, venus brings affection, mars brings passion. Pluto can give intensity for sure but it tends to be obsession without reason. Its that "i dont know why but I have to" kind of thing.
And yes...I too have experianced it

archergirl · #9 11-29-2008, 11:28 AM

Pluto is definitely not 'love'. Pluto is power and obsession. I had a transiting Pluto conjunct my natal Venus. Believe me, it's not love. Love, as Starlink says, is respect and tolerance and friendship, no matter what the relationship. Pluto completely disallows any of this. Being unable to 'get over' someone isn't love either: it has to do with not dealing with abandonment issues, and again has to do with Pluto and its dark side, especially the obsessive part of it.

AG

redwolf481 · #10 11-29-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by archergirl

Pluto is definitely not 'love'. Pluto is power and obsession. I had a transiting Pluto conjunct my natal Venus. Believe me, it's not love. Love, as Starlink says, is respect and tolerance and friendship, no matter what the relationship. Pluto completely disallows any of this. Being unable to 'get over' someone isn't love either: it has to do with not dealing with abandonment issues, and again has to do with Pluto and its dark side, especially the obsessive part of it.

AG

maybe I should not of said pluto rules true love...but he rules intimacy in a way that venus love is superficial with out it

hermetic · #11 11-29-2008, 08:51 PM

using this logic, I could go on saying Neptune is love... by it's compassionate nature , universal emotion it may well come close to 'truest' of what love is. But really, to discuss this further, we would have to agree upon definition of love.
But I agree that Venus is lacking in this love aspect - Venus is more beauty and enjoyment
[true love would be the energy of all planets combined if you ask me, cause it is universal force not very easy to put in borders of words, but if love created all this and keeps this world existing, than it is much much more than any planet could signify, trying to capture it in one planet is pointless, astrology being somewhat simplyfied]

Polo · #12 11-29-2008, 09:07 PM

It all depends on your version of love. Neptune is an elevated Venus, and when Venus is in Pisces or paired with Neptune, it brings on great understanding and compassion. Great potential for love. And not just love for one person; love for everyone. Like Pluto, it seems to get to the bottom of things. But unlike Pluto, Neptune thinks that underneath it all, you're all good.
Some like all the passion in love, with all the spice and kicks, and that's what Pluto's for. Revealing yourself, breaking down the barriers that no one has before. Some like someone who's there, and while they know it might be hard for him to express (Saturn), they know how he really feels. Action is more appreciated in Saturn relationships.
Ordinary love is just Venus- Sun conjunct Venus, Mercury conjunct Venus, so on. Real love that feels extraordinary includes the outer planets or asteroids.

greenastrologer · #13 11-29-2008, 09:09 PM

ah, finally a post that mentions neptune! i was going to ... i agree that without truly being able to define love, we cannot begin to discuss who rules it

perhaps it is that different planets support the various expressions of love?
i certainly have no idea but feel strongly that neptune energy is in many ways an unconditional love ... which is really an acceptance (not a "ya i'll put up with you" acceptance but a genuine embracing of who someone is) of another being exactly as they are -- not for what they do for you, give to you or how they make you feel ... just for them

after all of that, i feel strongly that in addition to having feelings for someone and naming them love is one thing but to "love" someone is something else. love is an active verb.

Jenna Jupiter · #14 11-29-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by archergirl

Pluto is definitely not 'love'. Pluto is power and obsession. I had a transiting Pluto conjunct my natal Venus. Believe me, it's not love. Love, as Starlink says, is respect and tolerance and friendship, no matter what the relationship. Pluto completely disallows any of this. Being unable to 'get over' someone isn't love either: it has to do with not dealing with abandonment issues, and again has to do with Pluto and its dark side, especially the obsessive part of it.

AG

True, Very true.

/JJ

Natasha · #15 11-29-2008, 09:29 PM

There are many different kind of love eg the mothers love for a child would definately be symbolized by the sign Cancer and the Moon planet. The love one has for a wife or husband to me would be symbolsed by Venus the goddess Aphrodite on a mental level Libra (the desire for relationship) and Taurus (the desire for physical and sensual love with the other).

Essential as far as I can see human love is personal and social in its symbolization and representation therefore would be represented by a personal and / or social planet.

The outer transpersonal planets are much more difficult for us to access as become more remote for direct access as they are futher out (in my opinion)
The mythology of Hades (Pluto) whose sign is Scorpio is very transpersonal but does include the energy of his marriage to Persephone. To the extent of what he expected from this relationship. Hades only wanted ONe and only one lover and the experiance total union. This energy can be overlaid into relationship especially when on has love planets in Scorpio or 8th house or aspected to Pluto. But the Pluto energy is far more archytypal and transpersonal than to represent the human personal love experiance in my opinion.

Shining Ray · #16 11-29-2008, 09:53 PM

I think Pluto in relation to Moon and Venus have powerful bonds in relationships. I always think it's hard to totally define what love is in the natal chart. Although it's interesting to read the definition for love here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love Pluto doesn't rule love but if connected to someones Venus the love can feel fated and have "it's the meant to be quality". With Pluto it can be difficult to let go of relationships. Neptune can express unconditional love which can be beautiful when expressed with discrimination (is that possible lol) but Neptune has a love of ALL and will readily accept a person even if that person really is not the best choice of a partner.

Venus/7th house are usually the places we look for romantic love, I was thinking about the 5th house, I have always had trouble interpreting this house but I was thinking of the fun and romantic side of love where both of you act like children, playing silly games etc. This is a lovely aspect of love.

redwolf481 · #17 11-29-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Ray

I think Pluto in relation to Moon and Venus have powerful bonds in relationships. I always think it's hard to totally define what love is in the natal chart. Although it's interesting to read the definition for love here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love Pluto doesn't rule love but if connected to someones Venus the love can feel fated and have "it's the meant to be quality". With Pluto it can be difficult to let go of relationships. Neptune can express unconditional love which can be beautiful when expressed with discrimination (is that possible lol) but Neptune has a love of ALL and will readily accept a person even if that person really is not the best choice of a partner.

Venus/7th house are usually the places we look for romantic love, I was thinking about the 5th house, I have always had trouble interpreting this house but I was thinking of the fun and romantic side of love where both of you act like children, playing silly games etc. This is a lovely aspect of love.

we are both plutonion and my pluto falls on her venus in scorpio conjunct pluto in scorpio in the 8th house it feels exactly like that....fated....and its been 2 years since I have seen her and i live in another city...there has not been one day I have not thought of her....its horrible...I feel like god is torturing me

Shining Ray · #18 11-29-2008, 10:29 PM

I have had two relationships with Pluto Venus connections, the first one his Pluto squared my Venus and my current partner we have Venus trine Pluto, a more gentle expression of this aspect. There is a whole book dedicated to Pluto on relationships it's called Pluto the souls evolution through relationships, by Jeff Green. He lists all the different types of relationships like co dependent love, student/teacher love self- sufficient love etc, and that there are 4 primary types of relationships Karma mates, soul mates, twin souls, souls in different evolutionary states. For example for self sufficient love you look to the 2nd house which is the Taurus side of Venus and this reflects your inner relationship to yourself. The book is quite complicated but for the topic of Pluto and relationships he looks at Pluto in the composite house of the relationship chart to define the past relationship with the person you are in love with. For example he says for Pluto in 9th the couple have a mutual need to understand the larger reasons for life and these two explore different religions and philosophies together. I guess to Jeff Greene Pluto has relevance when doing his past life readings and the evolutionary reasons for the relationship.

P.S Can you not contact her if you miss her so much. But who knows the deeper reasons for this breakup maybe you have to learn to let her go.

redwolf481 · #19 11-29-2008, 11:18 PM

i lose contact with her....I don't know her last name(I know much about her but not her last name) I live in a different state now...I have friends who were connected to her...and this is the frustrating point....early on I confided to 2 of my friends white brandon and mexican brandon (lol thats what we call them.. there both actually of spanish descent) one brandon is a cancer with pisces rising....he is a liar and an exagerator and quite quite quite good at it and it is known among his friends...the other brandon is quite selfish in many ways....aquarius rising capricorn sun virgo moon while I was working with this girl I would confide in them...white brandon would give me advice that I had ****** up and needed to let her go....and mexican brandon could not understand why I got so emotional and make jokes all the time.....white brandon ended up being friends with the girls ex boyfriend coincedently and kept giving me advice to let it go that I was ****** up and kept putting me down about it...I was confiding about my love of this girl to a friend of our (who worked with her for like a week)who when she started dating my roomate said that white brandon had once stated in her presence that he wanted to **** that girl....I confronted him and of course he denied it...with his pisces lies...he lived in her apartment complex suprising we found out as well...he refused to even talk to her for me knowing how much I had confided my love for her......my other friend mexican brandon I have done the world for...when he needed money, a place to stay, anything i have been there for him and it is never returned....he worked with this girl for a long time but he refused to talk to this girl...he didn't want to upset his status at work(which is understandable but he likes being the cool guy) he could of stuck up for me as the friend he knew and said quinn's awkward because he likes you so much not because hes and ******* or wierd...I am still really angry at him for that......I lost complete contact with her janurary 07.....I moved to austin from san antonio august of 07 and am moving to london soon...and have been hoping to see her before I leave....I have another bestfriend who worked with us at our old bar and she I know would talk to her if she sees her again....I just want to tell her how i feel....I know she felt it too...shes a virgo with venus in scorpio and mars in cap.....she doesn't like to be vulnerable and rationalizes her feelings to herslef...and has to form trust to be able to admit her feelings....i on the other hand gemini with venus in taurus and mars in cancer...am the opposite lol

Shining Ray · #20 11-30-2008, 08:19 AM

Opposites attract

. If you really cannot get in touch with her, maybe it is best to begin to let her go and move on. You are moving to England and you need to move with everything cleared in your head, now is the time to tie up loose ends or you will find yourself in knots. Obviously this is an unresolved relationship. If you can contact this girl it would be good as you will see what her feelings are after all this time, maybe she has moved on. This may be deeply painful for you, but in one way it allows you to kind of mourn for the love you have lost and move on.

I do feel if something is meant to be it will happen, particularly with relationships. If you are meant to have a relationship with someone for a certain length of time it happens, if not there can be an initial relationship but it tends to fade out. Enjoy the memories, I have had relationships were I thought there could be something more and then the person is either uninterested or just turns completely cold on me. I had this experience with a Plutonian once, and I was quite upset how he turned nasty and then when I finally let it go and moved on he came knocking on my door. I had already moved on by then and I was happy with my partner. Relationships are often like this.

Tie up loose ends, and resolve this issue if will give you a clean slate ready for your move.

redwolf481 · #21 11-30-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shining Ray

Opposites attract

. If you really cannot get in touch with her, maybe it is best to begin to let her go and move on. You are moving to England and you need to move with everything cleared in your head, now is the time to tie up loose ends or you will find yourself in knots. Obviously this is an unresolved relationship. If you can contact this girl it would be good as you will see what her feelings are after all this time, maybe she has moved on. This may be deeply painful for you, but in one way it allows you to kind of mourn for the love you have lost and move on.

I do feel if something is meant to be it will happen, particularly with relationships. If you are meant to have a relationship with someone for a certain length of time it happens, if not there can be an initial relationship but it tends to fade out. Enjoy the memories, I have had relationships were I thought there could be something more and then the person is either uninterested or just turns completely cold on me. I had this experience with a Plutonian once, and I was quite upset how he turned nasty and then when I finally let it go and moved on he came knocking on my door. I had already moved on by then and I was happy with my partner. Relationships are often like this.

Tie up loose ends, and resolve this issue if will give you a clean slate ready for your move.

i am a plutonian...(pluto in scorpio in the first house, trine the sun, mercury,mars opposite venus and moon which are both in the 8th house)and sextile neptune.. my second most powerful planet is venus(libra rising venus in taurus, sextile mercury and mars...venus is conjunct the moon and square jupiter....and trine neptune.......

my pluto is conjunct her venus in scorpio conjunct pluto in scorpio by 1 degree in her 8th house my mars is exactly trine her venus(her pluto is opposite my venus too but by a wider degree...and her mars trines my venus too but by a wider degreee) we have node and saturn contacts(i think
)...her chiron falls on my sun......

i found this recently in linda goodman's forum

In Relationship Signs, Linda says that if one person´s venus is conjunct with another´s pluto, that indicates Twin Souls or Soul Mates, people who were once the same individual, one half being the male half and the other the female. They have an innate longing for the other and, from lifetime to lifetime, the unite to feel the joy of completion

In synasty, aspects are usually +/- 1 degree. Therefore as fast as Venus moves through the charts, not as many Venus's are conjunct Pluto as you might expect.
Venus Conjunct Pluto indicates a strong, intense, romantic, sexual attraction between the two of you. This aspect indicates that your relationship will have a regenerative effect on you the both of you. There will be a mutual appreciation of spiritual and artistic values

Linda also talks about the trine as a sign for Twin Souls... She only says that the conjunction is much more powerful...
With the trine (or sextile), the pair of you may choose to wait until another incarnation to reunite even when mutual feelings will be very intense... With the conjunction, postponement is very unlikely.

According to Linda that´s a powerful sign that the both of you could be Twin Souls! I don´t think one of you feels that more intensely than the other... Those aspects affect you as a couple... I don´t know enough though, maybe the Pluto in conjunction is more aware of it, feels it more... But anyway, you probably tied for eternity, and even someone (or something) tries to come between yo and appears to succeed temporarily, wait. You´ll be back together no matter what as if you had been bounced back by a mysterious force... That´s what Linda says...

Your combination is what the author calls “double whammy” for that special karmic sign: powerful Pluto (rebirth) and Venus (love). Have you got any other karmic conections? Remember that aspects have to be really close... One or two degrees apart at the most... But above all... How do you feel? Your soul knows better than anyone... When you met him, did you feel something extraordinary? Did you trust him straight away? Can you talk without words? Do you feel his pain almost physically? Can you live away from each other? Do you believe he will never be able to hurt you? Imagine that he does, terribly, doing something that you wouldn´t forgive, would you be able to forgive him? Would you still want to stay with him? Can you imagine life without him?

this is exactly how i feel

jjj · #22 12-01-2008, 08:16 AM

Hi Redwolf,

I had an exactly similar thing with a man I met in 2005 and we saw each other for the last time in March 2007. I have 4 personal planets in Scorpio, he has Pluto aspecting his personal planets, in synastry his Mars was conjunct my Pluto, his Sun squared my Pluto and his Pluto sextiled my Venus. In composite our Venus was conjunct Pluto, Pluto squared our composite moon and opposed our composite Sun... quite Plutonian ehh?

I was as obsessed as a human being can be and very much in love with him. At the beginning he felt the same, but then he shut down completely. I did everything possibile to get the relationship going---- humiliated myself... surprised him once or twice at social events--- arranged our meetings--- etc. There was a powerful attraction, but he denied everything and at last he refused to show up and he blocked my contacts. So it was the end.

I suffered like crazy, but as I had done everything... after he had blocked my email... it gave me the closure. Now Im over him. Im in a new plutonian relationship lol.

If you do not feel the closure, you must do something, otherwise it can continue for ages. You have nothing to lose... you can ask your friend who worked with her her surname and call her or email her.

I hope you can find peace!
Jjj

redwolf481 · #23 12-01-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jjj

Hi Redwolf,

I had an exactly similar thing with a man I met in 2005 and we saw each other for the last time in March 2007. I have 4 personal planets in Scorpio, he has Pluto aspecting his personal planets, in synastry his Mars was conjunct my Pluto, his Sun squared my Pluto and his Pluto sextiled my Venus. In composite our Venus was conjunct Pluto, Pluto squared our composite moon and opposed our composite Sun... quite Plutonian ehh?

I was as obsessed as a human being can be and very much in love with him. At the beginning he felt the same, but then he shut down completely. I did everything possibile to get the relationship going---- humiliated myself... surprised him once or twice at social events--- arranged our meetings--- etc. There was a powerful attraction, but he denied everything and at last he refused to show up and he blocked my contacts. So it was the end.

I suffered like crazy, but as I had done everything... after he had blocked my email... it gave me the closure. Now Im over him. Im in a new plutonian relationship lol.

If you do not feel the closure, you must do something, otherwise it can continue for ages. You have nothing to lose... you can ask your friend who worked with her her surname and call her or email her.

I hope you can find peace!
Jjj

lol I am doing that now..can't believe I didn't think of it before...the girl we worked with is one of my closest friends...I recently asked her to ask our old boss for the surname of the girl....your right on the money...she felt the same things I know it...we just never got to have a moment to discuss our feelings together privatly....we were allways with others at work...I do need the closure...i moved to a town an hour away and my heart has never stopped aching these last 2 years....I now am moving over seas..and know I need to get closure...

lillyjgc · #24 12-01-2008, 10:35 AM

Redwolf:
A movie called *Love in the Time of Cholera* is a *must-see* for you, speaking of devotional feelings, of a Plutonian nature.
I too experienced a relationship like this...*his* natal already had pluto and venus opposed. In our synastry, his venus squared mine and his pluto squared my venus. He wouldn't let go, no matter what I did. In the end I had to threaten a legal sanction against him.It wasn't *love* although it felt like it at the time for him, and for me it was very scary really. I'd be very wary of pluto venus contacts after that experience, although a trine could, as shining ray pointed out, be a positive expression of the energy. Some might describe the pluto/venus connection as the love that knows no bounds...in my opinion, its more the *desire* that knows no boundaries!
Cheers, Lilly

Awakened_Pisces · #25 12-01-2008, 10:40 AM

I guess I am a Plutoian of sorts. With my Pisces Sun located in Scorpio's 8th and with a Venus-Pluto square. I have to mention that my Sun is conjunct the Asteroid Juno which is the marriage partner before I begin my story.

5 years ago, I was an 11 year old boy who participated in an internet roleplay of sorts. This "roleplay" is I guess a "battle" in which really, the fastest typer wins.(More to it, but I'll keep it simplified). It can also of course be a case of playing out fantasies between people. In this case, a very powerful lady took away my roleplay partner at that time and in which we had our "battle". It ended up in a draw and everything seemed to be over. Then I met the beautiful lady again a week or so later, as we worked together to help a fellow "roleplayer" who admired our talents. As she cried in distress about her own pain and suffering, I supported her and she seemed to have recovered from her pains. Then she gave me a kiss. That event sparked a much deeper discussion as we had discussed on various issues and expressed our love and desires for one another.

She was the ideal woman of my life. The one and only person who understood me from all the pain and misunderstanding. But now as I see this Venus-Square before me. As well as all of the various evidence that my love life will eventually doom me. I wonder, if this is a past life influence. This Venus-Square-Pluto. What in the world did I do to her? That's my most important question. What in the world did I do? The thought that I would have hurt her in any way in a past life is disturbing.