Ugh. Bad transits.....

[Summer]

This was badly phrased and the semantics didn't come across well. I was having a bad day and couldn't communicate well so it shouldn't have been posted.

[aquarius7000]

Hi Summer,

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aquarius7000

I've been examining my chart lately to see why nothing seems to be working out for me lately. Pretty much all areas of my life are deeply confusing, troubling and just plain obnoxious. Career/life purpose issues - check, marital problems - check, lack of friends - check, possible move to a city that I'm unsure of - check. It's a very disorienting time. The Saturn transit alone is making me nuts.
BTW, I would link to astrodienst.com with my chart attached but I forgot to save it.
Birth data - 8/2/66, 11:49 P.M., Dayton, Ohio

[Inside Out Orange]

A lot of water in your natal chart with 6 planets in Cancer, Pisces, Scorpio; plus your two Leo planets fall in the 4th house. You have Neptune on the Descendent. I think that would likely always be giving you difficulties in relationships (close or friendly). Your perception of them is going to be idealistic, and if it's less than that maybe you become disillusioned.

On first look I didn't think you had too many tough transits but then I noticed that Saturn is on Pluto and Uranus in Virgo; plus you have already been touched earlier this year by Pluto square Moon with it coming back to prominence in a couple of months. So yes, these two transits are probably giving you tough times. The positive I can offer is that they'll make you face up to some issues, and once you've done that you should come out stronger and better positioned for tackling life.

[Summer]

Originally Posted by Inside Out Orange

You have Neptune on the Descendent. I think that would likely always be giving you difficulties in relationships (close or friendly). Your perception of them is going to be idealistic, and if it's less than that maybe you become disillusioned.

Neptune on the Desc. has always been a real problem for me. Idealistic, well, I've toned that down over the years but somehow that hasn't worked out either. Being more realistic doesn't necessarily mean that others won't deceive you.

I need to post my next question in another thread, about the natal position about the Neptune on the Desc. I find it the absolute worst aspect in my chart. Just hate it. I'm not sure what the antidote to it is, how I could cognitively change my behavior so that I wouldn't always feel cursed. That's not a very positive way to go through life. When it's being triggered by a hard transit, like Neptune in the 10th squaring it, I just feel overwhelmed and depressed.

[aquarius7000]

Inside Out Orange,

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Originally Posted by Inside Out Orange

A lot of water in your natal chart with 6 planets in Cancer, Pisces, Scorpio; plus your two Leo planets fall in the 4th house. You have Neptune on the Descendent. I think that would likely always be giving you difficulties in relationships (close or friendly). Your perception of them is going to be idealistic, and if it's less than that maybe you become disillusioned.

On first look I didn't think you had too many tough transits but then I noticed that Saturn is on Pluto and Uranus in Virgo; plus you have already been touched earlier this year by Pluto square Moon with it coming back to prominence in a couple of months. So yes, these two transits are probably giving you tough times. The positive I can offer is that they'll make you face up to some issues, and once you've done that you should come out stronger and better positioned for tackling life.

[Summer]

I thought I did try to interpret the major transits. I gave the attached natal chart but couldn't link the transit chart because the file was too big. So I just broke it down by transit and life event. Was that not what you were talking about?

I have studied astrology for years and my first post was about an informal twin chart inquiry. I thought I delineated that pretty well so I am capable of it. Didn't mean to offend but I'm having a hard time writing about this stuff and focusing because I have a lot of heavy issues hitting me right now.

[rogue_red]

Im not sure there is such a thing as a 'bad' transit. Every transit I have experienced has been totally necessary. I'll admit they arent pleasent...not by any means but by weathering the storm you will come through it stronger than ever. After looking at your chart the first thing I noticed was the lack of squares and abundance of trines and sextiles. Some would say this is a 'good' chart but I dont. The lack of squares indicates that, internally, you really havent had alot of issues to deal with.
Squares have a blocking effect. It requires us to negotiate two disharmonious forces to achieve the desired result. Although squares are difficult and frustrating they do tend to develope patience and the ability to compromise within us.
Given the fact that you havent had to experience this will be one of the reasons you are finding the current saturn conj uranus and pluto so unnerving. Im not saying that Transiting saturn conjunct natal uranus and natal pluto is an easy transit because it isnt BUT its a very very important one. Mind your health during this transit, vitamins are a must and cut back on anything that isnt essential to save your emotional and psychological energy for when it is really needed. You wont have the benefits of your usual resources to get you through this. Its a one man show im afraid. Regardless of what happens over the next nine months you will find yourself a new person. Its time for old ways to be put to bed, its time to surrender to the transit leaving your fears and worries at the door because if you allow the planets to do their job you will reap the benefits in about 14 years. If you fight it...well, in 14 years it will just come back to haunt you.
All the best

Maggie

[aquarius7000]

Hi Summer,

Thanks for going back to your first post and attaching your chart and including your interpretation of it. Much appreciated.

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We look forward to your sharing your astrological knowledge of many years with us on this forum, and are glad you joined it.

aquarius7000

[rogue_red]

Originally Posted by Summer

Neptune on the Desc. has always been a real problem for me. Idealistic, well, I've toned that down over the years but somehow that hasn't worked out either. Being more realistic doesn't necessarily mean that others won't deceive you.

I need to post my next question in another thread, about the natal position about the Neptune on the Desc. I find it the absolute worst aspect in my chart. Just hate it. I'm not sure what the antidote to it is, how I could cognitively change my behavior so that I wouldn't always feel cursed. That's not a very positive way to go through life. When it's being triggered by a hard transit, like Neptune in the 10th squaring it, I just feel overwhelmed and depressed.

Firstly, whether you are idealistic or realistic wont change other peoples behaviour. However, you can change how you choose to deal with it.
Secondly please do not hate any aspect of who you are. You are a uniquely and wonderfully complex person with a unique and complex journey. If you hate anything about yourself all you are doing is bombarding yourself with negative energy which you cant afford to do.
If there is an aspect of yourself that you arent happy with then change it. By acknowleging that you seldom see people for who they really are you can begin to put things in place to counter that. Decide that a particular trusted friends advice will be taken more seriously for example. Do not allow yourself to entertain thoughts that encourage a victim mentality. If need be have mantra cards on the fridge with positive statements about how blessed you are. Your feelings of being cursed are a deception, you can retrain your consciousness by reminding yourself of the abundance of blessings in your life.

[rogue_red]

Originally Posted by aquarius7000

Inside Out Orange,

The admin staff would appreciate if members could help it with making querents aware of the forum rules, and by co-operating with it by not ignoring moderator posts such as the one addressed to Summer above yours. This way, members show that they also respect the forum rules!!

In case you were not aware, let me put the relevant extract from the forum rules below for you. Seeing the closeness in posting time, maybe our posts crossed this time, but the info below might still be helpful for the future for both you and Summer.

Cheers,
aquarius7000

OOPs...seems I slipped up here too. My apologies aquarius, I am still learning the ropes and with lots of aries in my chart i can be a little impulsive

[Summer]

Originally Posted by rogue_red

After looking at your chart the first thing I noticed was the lack of squares and abundance of trines and sextiles. Some would say this is a 'good' chart but I dont. The lack of squares indicates that, internally, you really havent had alot of issues to deal with.
Squares have a blocking effect. It requires us to negotiate two disharmonious forces to achieve the desired result. Although squares are difficult and frustrating they do tend to develope patience and the ability to compromise within us.
Given the fact that you havent had to experience this will be one of the reasons you are finding the current saturn conj uranus and pluto so unnerving.

With all due respect, I've had a very difficult life, esp. upbringing. BOTH parents have Narcissistic Personality Disorder and my mother has undiagnosed bipolar disorder, according to several therapists I know informally. They treated the family dog with more care than they did me. My mother was physically and mentally abusive for decades. My older sister was no help either because she is also damaged by our parents. I have had much difficulty to deal with and the past 6 years have been very stressful. In 2002, I had a legal situation that was deeply traumatizing. I'm still not able to write about it creatively.

The reason I say all of this is because of my T-square. The natal T-square includes my Sun in Leo in the 4th squaring my Neptune in Scorpio in the 7th, which opposes my Taurus Ascendant. My Mercury in Leo is in a tight inconjunct with my Moon in Pisces in the 11th. It is a very stressful aspect that I have felt my entire life. Whenever a transit passes over any of these stress points, it feels horrible. It nearly wipes out the more positive or 'easy' aspects of my natal chart, like the trines and sextiles I have.

[rogue_red]

Summer, I apologise if I have upset you. I was refering to the issues brought about by squares in ones chart and how a lack of them could make this transit all the more difficult for you. I have no doubt that your experience of your life has been difficult for you.
I was just offering my humble opinion.
All the best

Maggie

[aquarius7000]

The natal T-square includes my Sun in Leo in the 4th squaring my Neptune in Scorpio in the 7th, which opposes my Taurus Ascendant.

Here's my contribution after a quick look at your chart, Summer. T-Squares can be challenging (have two tight ones myself). However, in your case, the t-square between the two relevant planets: Sun & Neptune is 9° wide. Most astrologers consider aspects involing an outer planet with a max orb of 5°. I too have a Sun-Pluto trine, which is 9° wide, which I also don't really count. Further, that t-square is not one including three planets, but two widely aspected planets and a calculated point: the ascendant.

I think the main problem here lies in a couple of other factors. Firstly, Nep (compassion, also disillusionment and deception) is conjunct (energies combine with) your DC (point marking the 7th house of relationship/others), which could show that either the native deceives/confuses others or is prone to deception/confusion by others (as seems to be your case). This deception/confusion/disillusionment is heightened by Jupiter's (expansion) degree-exact trine (further enhancement of energies) to Neptune, which makes this particular aspect a *full-blown* one. Furthermore, you also have Venus (love, harmony, also relationships) in a 4° trine to Nep, which could indicate unconditional (Nep=sacrifice/compassion) love/relating-to (Ven) towards others (Nep on DC) and/or also seeing the world through rose-tinted glasses (at least unless one suffers a jolt), esp as Venus rules your ascendant (self, also surroundings). This kind of confusion/deception by others can also result in you 'deceiving' your own self Nep opp Asc=self, *if* you refuse to accept the ironic reality of this deception/dissillusionment (by others as DC involved), but you don't, which is commendable. I have a Nep-Ven square (energies are challenged) with Ven in my 7th house, and I almost always learn (?) it the hard way, if you know what I mean. With Mars (action & energy, also confidence) tightly conj your Ven, it also trines your Nep and this aspect can downplay the physical energy or self-confidence of the native, which might be connected to relationships, as Mars is conj Ven plus Mars rules your 7th house. One more thing, Moon (makes no major aspects at all) rules your 4th house (family & home) and Moon shows, besides emotions, also instability; and, since Moon rules women/mother this could have to do more with the women in your family or even friends/society (Moon in 11th).


aquarius7000

[BobZemco]

Originally Posted by Summer

The Pluto squaring my Saturn has really brought an end to one chapter of my life - my family of origin. My dad died on Oct. 3 and I had been estranged from many members of my family before that. This just reinforces the estrangement as he was really the only one in my family who truly cared about me.

Just eye-balling your progressed Sun was probably conjunct natal Pluto. There was a lot more going on than just Pluto square Saturn.

Originally Posted by Summer

Saturn conjuncts my natal Uranus/Pluto conjunction in the 5th. I had been working on writing a book. I have not had much creative energy lately. On the contrary, I'm considering abandoning the project due to the sorry state of the publishing business. I just don't think I will ever get published and am beginning to doubt just how much 'talent' I have.

If you don't have "creative energy" it isn't because Saturn is conjuncting natal Uranus/Pluto. In fact, that should give you the energy.

Originally Posted by Summer

Uranus trines my Jupiter in the 3rd, which should be good but just seems erratic right now. I'm having a hard time trusting the people I meet. It's not really them that's causing the friendship problem, per se, it's me because I have deep-seated trust issues due to bad friend choices in the past.

If you're having trust/friendship issues, it has nothing to do with Uranus trining Jupiter.

Originally Posted by Summer

Neptune in the 10th squares my Neptune in the 7th. I'm having serious problems with my marriage right now. On top of all the hilarity mentioned above, my spouse isn't being supportive of Plan B for my career. I do have a strong option of what I want to do with my life. It would possibly be as fulfilling, if not more so, than a creative career.

This is normal and constitutes what people call the "mid-life crisis."

For you the issue revolves around your Ego and personal relationships (10/7). There's something you haven't learned to do, and that is adjust. You might pause to consider that your husband might not be supportive because Plan B is FUBAR. Without getting emotional and baiting, you might want to go to dinner and discuss the strenghts AND weaknesses of your plan, then fine tune it so that it has a chance of working. Don't do the 7th House Neptune thing and tell him you want to go to dinner then spring an ambush on him. Tell him, "I want to discuss my plans, let's go to Jay's for dinner."

Originally Posted by Summer

I had always thought I was destined for something artistic but I'm beginning to question that. Astrologers, tarot readers and various psychics have led me on, making me think that if I just tried hard enough and hung in there, that I would be published eventually.

It appears you may have had some opportunities in the past but either squandered them or didn't act on them out of ignorance or stubborness. You may have additional opportunities in the near and distant future.

Originally Posted by Summer

I think that's not true anymore. I worked for eight years on my literary fiction novel and I was unable to find an agent. It could be because I suck or maybe they were telling me the truth, that my book didn't appeal to them or that they already had too many clients (and the literary fiction market is shrinking at an alarming rate).

It seems to me the agents told you what was wrong, but you ignored them. If it doesn't appeal to them, then make it appeal to them.

You need to adapt and change. Agents are looking for book material that can be parlayed into screenplay/teleplay rights. Your book needs at least two very obvious plot points to fit into the screen play format.

Once you're published, you can write whatever you want.

Originally Posted by Summer

I'm considering something else that requires a different kind of creativity and would be purposeful for me due to some bad experience that I made it through. I'm thinking of taking the LSAT and applying to law school. My DH was supportive enough about my writing but when I mentioned that I wanted to take the LSAT and depending on how good my score was, apply to some of the top schools, he seemed threatened. Am I even reading this accurately? Was he really threatened, due to the Nepture in the 7th natal influence?

The 7th House natal Neptune influence would be deception on your part, plus your Neptune/10th/Ego deception.

Of course he felt threatened. You're talking about selling the house and uprooting him from his job, his friends, his family and his life to galavant around the country to satisfy your Ego at a time when the US economy ain't exactly growing at 4%-8% per year.

You probably didn't think about that. When you're in your 20s you can do that kind of stuff, but when you getting on in the years, it isn't that easy.

You have 3 law schools, UD, UC and Chase nearby, and I might add that those are 3 very fine top shelf law schools, plus another 2 in close proximity.

Sure, it'd be a 45 minute commute one-way to UC and another 15 minutes to cross the Big Mac Bridge to Chase Law School in Northern Kentucky, but that's a helluva lot cheaper than uprooting everyone's life and you can do the 3 year JD at night at any of those law schools.

If you can't follow instructions from a literary agent, how are you going to follow instructions from a senior partner? "Ms. Summer, your Memorandum in Repsonse to Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment and Motion in Liminie aren't appealing." Are you going to keep re-submitting them without changes? You won't last long.

I thought I would add that just eye-balling your chart, you do have Gemini/early Libra/Capricorn on the 2/6/10 and your 7th House ruler is well aspected in the 3rd, so you do have some aptitude for legal matters. I'm not saying you should be a lawyer or ought to be one, just that it appears you have the basic aptitude, but you need to do so serious soul-searching.