gender issues/masculine and feminine signs

drambling · #1 10-14-2008, 05:44 AM

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, but I think so because it relates to psychology...

I'm bigender and I noticed something interesting about my chart. I'm a Cancer Sun (feminine sign) and Leo Moon (masculine sign). I've always felt like my masculine side was suppressed when I was younger, so I had to let it out online and now I feel like two people (female and male). What's interesting about this is I was looking at other peoples' charts and the only other person I noticed with a feminine sun and masculine moon is also bigender. I was wondering if there's any relation to this.

I'd appreciate any insight from anyone who has a feminine sun and masculine moon, if you have any underlying gender issues... or if you know anyone bigender or transgender and know their planet signs. Thanks.

**I'm new so I'm not allowed to post a link, but if you want more information on bigender just look it up on wikipedia.

danman85 · #2 10-14-2008, 06:57 PM

Hi!

I don't know if just a feminine sun and a masculine moon would by themselves attribute to being bi-gender. The sun is feminine half of the year, and the moon would then be masculine for about half of every month....So approximately a quarter of the population (maybe a little more or less, I haven't calculated it) would be bi-gender....I will say that it is quite interesting that your Sun and Moon are in each other's signs....I am only assuming, but my guess would be that they are not aspecting each other????

However, I am interested in where your Venus, and Mars, and especially Mercury are placed and the aspects to those planets. Mercury is androgenous in gender, so I would expect to see that accentuated in your chart in some way. Venus and Mars are also quite gender-related planets, maybe if they are both debilitated by Mercury in some manner.... I'm really interested in seeing your chart, though, I know you can't post it yet...

Welcome to the forum! I've only been here a day, so I'm definitely not a part of the welcoming committee!! But I hope you enjoy your time here, I do!!!

drambling · #3 10-14-2008, 11:09 PM

My Mercury is in Cancer, Venus is in Gemini, and Mars is in Aries...

as far as aspects, no I don't think my sun and moon are aspecting each other... but yeah I thought that was interesting too that the moon rules my sun and the sun rules my moon.

I did an activity before where I gave a personality to each of my signs in the planets and wrote a conversation between them... pretty much Leo Moon wants to be the ruler even though he knows Cancer Sun is technically in charge.

If you want to look at my chart, go to alabe.com (or any other site you know that does charts) and put in my birth data:
July 14, 1988
11:09 pm
Hackensack, NJ

Thanks for your interest.

Claire19 · #4 10-15-2008, 03:40 AM

Many millions have a yin Sun and a yang Moon for instance. Your sexuality comes from your Mars, Venus, and if bi then probably a lot of air and strong Uranus. Libra is a bisexual sign and perhaps Gemini. Need to see the chart.

danman85 · #5 10-15-2008, 04:42 AM

OK I checked out your chart....

Mercury in Cancer in the 4th, and the 4th house cusp as Gemini, ruled by Mercury could possibly be indicators of androgeny. Cancer denotes the personality, and in my opinion, when in the 4th house can talk about the physical body. Mercury, being androgenous, can show the body having a disposition towards either sex, and then, with the opposition to Uranus and Saturn in the 10th in Capricorn, could definitely speak of your gender nature being controlled. Uranus/Capricorn in the 10th is going to show an aspect of the person that is unexpected and received with a shock from others, and conjunct Saturn could show this expression is controlled towards a feminine expression...

Mars in Aries trine Moon Leo will control the animus in the person who has it in their chart, but Moon quincunx to Uranus will cause trouble to the emotions due to the expression being controlled. Moon in Leo in the 5th wants emotional freedom (of the masculine kind), and Uranus/Saturn placed in the 10th won't give much way to it. I think Mars and Moon in Fire Signs and Venus in Gemini would lend you to identifying more with the masculine side you have, and Moon and Mars not in good aspect to that Stellium in your 10th house would show that the controlled feminine nature of yourself would cause trouble to your natural masculine expression, and there is another testimony for this with Sun in Cancer!....I'm only assuming however, I must admit, I'm not too great with chart interpretation yet. I will say though, that looking at this without any information would never lead me to guess bigender....I am interested in what someone with more experience thinks of this!!

Just a question, if you don't mind, do you have any scar or blemish or mark on your face??

Oh! And I am in NJ too!! Awesome!

That's all I have, I am not really all too good with readings just yet

drambling · #6 10-17-2008, 07:28 AM

Okay Claire, first of all I already posted my birth information so you could look at my chart. Secondly, I have almost no air in my chart -- Venus in Gemini and that's it. Third, you can barely say for sure that my Venus and Mars are the only determining parts of it. It's not just about sexuality, sweetie bigender and bisexual aren't the same thing.

I DO believe my Cancer Sun and Leo Moon have SOMETHING to do with it. It makes sense to me, because I think a lot of it has to do with how my masculine side was SUPPRESSED by my feminine side. Okay, I'm sure not everyone with a feminine sun and masculine moon are bigender but it could be a determining factor for ME at least. I think it's just a BIT coincidental that the only other biological female I know with fem/masc is also bigender.

Mars and Venus could play into it too though, since I have Gemini Venus and Aries Mars. I think all of my masculine signs play into it. Aries Mars is a really strong masculine sign and Mars has to do with personal power and sexuality.

I know I'm not an expert at astrology, but I don't think that means my feelings and insights should be ignored. I know I'm being kind of bitchy right now, and it's because I'm in a bitchy or CRABBY mood (blame the Cancer).

Anyway...

danman - thanks for taking the time to try and analyze my chart. I guess I've been paying more attention to the planets than the houses because the houses kind of confuse me and I'm not as familiar with them. It's interesting but I'll have to look into the houses more and what they represent to understand it better. The Moon, Venus and Mars in masculine signs I get though. And the feminine signs suppressing it, especially Cancer Sun. So it seems like it DOES somewhat have to do with the masculine/feminine Sun and Moon but also the particular signs and additional masculine signs play a role.

No, I don't have any mark on my face. Why? Cool about NJ...

EJ53 · #7 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM

Hi Drambling,

Looking at your chart, what strikes me is the balance between masculine and femimine rather than any specific indicator(s).

5 planets in feminine signs - 5 in masculine signs.
2 feminine planets in masculine signs - 2 masculine planets in feminine signs
Chart ruler by Ascendant Sign = feminine Neptune in feminine Capricorn
Chart Ruler by proximity to Ascendant = masculine Mars in masculine Aries
Neptune (feminine intuition) opposes Mercury (masculine logic)
Asc/Dsc in feminine signs - MC/IC in masculine signs.

So, I'm wondering if bigender might be indicated astrologically by a chart that is evenly balanced between masculine and feminine components.

EJ

danman85 · #8 10-18-2008, 06:58 PM

I'm not too keen on house interpretations as well, but I take it from a directional perspective: Anything near the midheaven will show prominently, and Anything near the IC will not be shown like its opposite, so that's where a lot of it came from. I asked about the head/mark just out of curiosity...I don't have your chart up in front of me...but if I remember correctly, you had Mars in Aries in the first square Uranus in the 10th??? In Capricorn?? I was wondering if something like that would manifest as some kind of physical thing on the body...

I still find your Cancer Sun/Leo Moon interesting, since they don't aspect each other by degree, it's like they each have their own views of all the other points in your chart, void of each other. Very interesting on the balance of gender in your signs, as well!!!

Rakkisal · #9 10-18-2008, 07:12 PM

I'm not totally sure, which signs are masculine which ones are feminine? I have mostly water signs.

danman85 · #10 10-18-2008, 07:22 PM

Water and earth signs are feminine
Air and Fire signs are masculine

The signs' arrangements are masculine, feminine, masculine, feminine, and so on...

Rakkisal · #11 10-18-2008, 07:53 PM

Ohhh this could be why people often mistake me for a woman on the internets. My chart is extremely ~

~femme~

~. Thanks!

Bellea · #12 10-18-2008, 08:07 PM

I was always taught the female/male parts of the chart weren't really based on actual gender or gender roles, but of actual dark/light yin/yang roles so I haven't paid much attention to it. Looks like I've been missing out on a couple things.

danman85 · #13 10-18-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rakkisal

Ohhh this could be why people often mistake me for a woman on the internets. My chart is extremely ~

~femme~

~. Thanks!

That could have something to do with your forum picture....

Yes, the genders are of the yin/yang principle, and that is how I associate it. But the terms masculine/feminine at their principle, are the same as the yin/yang principles as well. Men can have very feminine charts, and vice versa. Men and women both have the yin and the yang, but it is never balanced. Gender, is like a physical manifestation of the yin/yang. One is masculine, expressive and the other feminine, receptive.

danman85 · #14 10-18-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bellea

I was always taught the female/male parts of the chart weren't really based on actual gender or gender roles, but of actual dark/light yin/yang roles so I haven't paid much attention to it. Looks like I've been missing out on a couple things.

Wow, did you make that picture yourself, or did you find it? It really describes those traits! (Sorry, I know this is offhand, but I had to ask!)

drambling · #15 10-19-2008, 10:27 PM

Thanks for that insight, EJ - that's interesting, I guess I never really noticed how balanced they were because I was mainly looking at the planets and I sort of ignore Saturn and everything after that... so it seemed like I had more feminine signs, but the masculine signs I have are quite powerful.

Danman - Mars in Aries yes... um Uranus is in the tenth house but it's in Sagittarius? I think that's right, I haven't really memorized my houses but I have written down my planets in the houses and it has Uranus in the tenth...

OH, and I also have Borderline Personality Disorder... do you think there's anything in my chart that would suggest that? Perhaps I should make a new post for that...

EJ53 · #16 10-20-2008, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by drambling

...OH, and I also have Borderline Personality Disorder... do you think there's anything in my chart that would suggest that? Perhaps I should make a new post for that...

I'd start a new thread, as other members with something to contribute on the issue of BPD will not be aware that it is being discussed here.

(It's also worth doing a forum "search" for previous threads on "Borderline Personality Disorder.)

EJ