A question about the South Node

[Sweet Escape]

Hello

I'm wondering if being with someone who has four planets conjunct my South Node would be a positive or negative relationship for me to have? I've read that any planet conjunct your South Node in synastry will end up holding you back in the areas of that planet. Is that true?

Thank you for any information!

[Night Sky]

The south node isn't "bad". It means you are connected through the past life.

[freedomlover]

SweetEscape,

The south node isn't "bad". It means you are connected through the past life.

I agree with NightSky.

Case in point: One of my best friends was in a terrible mess last December - totally exhausted, unable to take care of household things or cook nutritiously for herself and son, torn cartilage in knee, motor blew up in car, rent past due, lost extra income- bills piling up. In the middle of all this, she met a guy through a mutual friend. When he saw her, he about passed out - she was the woman he had been seeing in his dreams for the past 7 years. They began seeing each other ( he was not her "type", but they have grown alot together, and she adores him now) AND he was in a position to where he could cook and clean for her, removing some of her load. He's an ace mechanic, and rebuilt the motor in her car for her, etc. He also helped out some with bills from time to time, but mostly help came in the form of actual service rendered. He is also a great emotional support to her - very in touch with his emotions and has helped her heal from past abuse. He has also been a very positive influence on her angry,out-of-control teen-age son.

How does this fit in astrologically? His South Node is exactly on her Descendant. Apparently he had bad karma with her in a past life, and was making it right with her this time. (Of course, I guess he could have always chosen to avoid her, or hurt her again - thank God, he chose rightly!) However, my point is that the South Node is not always bad - although it can be.

FL

EDIT: Yes, it used to say "on her Ascendant". Sigh, Mercury RX is REALLY doing a number on my communication this time.

[Kingsley]

The other persons planets in synastry with your South Node may help to point out your south node opperation. Perhaps the relationship works in a traditional pattern that suits you or alternatively gives you the heebie jeebies? Either way you will feel connected to them. A wonderful person I know, has her South Node is on my Sun and my south node is on her Moon.

We were drawn together quite strongly (not romantically-just), we respected each others boundaries. In the end, I knew if we had a relationship we would have been dealing with mother and father transference issues together. (Past life patterning can be sort of ok or not so good at all). Although that may have been very attractive to begin with, we were both further down the road with 'north node' integration to go back there now.

kingsley

[Sweet Escape]

Thank you so much for your thoughts everyone. There's one last thing I'm curious about. Could someone learn a good deal from a person whose North Node is conjunct their South Node? Or would they be on different paths and more than likely not be good for each others' growth?

Thank you again.

[wilsontc]

freedom,

You said:

One of my best friends was in a terrible mess last December...In the middle of all this, she met a guy through a mutual friend...He is also a great emotional support to her...His South Node is exactly on her Ascendant.

One thing to also consider is that his NORTH node (future goals) is on her DEscendant (others), so there is a type of "others" connection here. The challenge of too many South node (the past) connections is that it is easy to get "stuck". The connection is so "comfortable" that we fall into doing what we find easiest to do...and never make the attempt to work out our North node issues. Of course, we can decide to connect to our North node even though someone's energy "pulls us back" to our easier South node focuses, but that means we have to always resist the other person's energy that will hold us down to the South node if we let it.

This is not a matter of "good" or "bad", it is simply a matter of moving forward (i.e., toward the North node) in our life.

Warning,

Tim

[wilsontc]

Escape,

You asked:

Could someone learn a good deal from a person whose North Node is conjunct their South Node? Or would they be on different paths and more than likely not be good for each others' growth?

This is like what freedom talked about: connections to BOTH South and North node. When there are connections to BOTH South and North node there are things that "push you forward" (i.e., towards the North node) and things that "pull you back" (i.e., towards the South node) in the relationship. It is then up to each person in the relationship whether they move forward or backwards.

In the balance,

Tim

[freedomlover]

Tim,

You wrote:

freedom,

You said:
Quote:
One of my best friends was in a terrible mess last December...In the middle of all this, she met a guy through a mutual friend...He is also a great emotional support to her...His South Node is exactly on her Ascendant.

One thing to also consider is that his NORTH node (future goals) is on her Descendant (others), so there is a type of "others" connection here. The challenge of too many South node (the past) connections is that it is easy to get "stuck". The connection is so "comfortable" that we fall into doing what we find easiest to do...and never make the attempt to work out our North node issues. Of course, we can decide to connect to our North node even though someone's energy "pulls us back" to our easier South node focuses, but that means we have to always resist the other person's energy that will hold us down to the South node if we let it.

This is not a matter of "good" or "bad", it is simply a matter of moving forward (i.e., toward the North node) in our life.

Warning,

Tim

Well put, Tim, and you are exactly right. However, I'm not sure what the "warning" is about. True, I didn't write that the North Node was on her descendant (retrograde Mercury making me overlook the obvious again.)
However, I did write this:

He is also a great emotional support to her - very in touch with his emotions and has helped her heal from past abuse

And, as I start to write why I already addressed this, I realize Mercury retrograde has pointed out to me another one of my fine Mercury in Sagittarius flaws- assuming that everyone knows what I know - sees what I see. Let me clarify:

The South Node on her Descendant is in Capricorn (describing the physical realm support, practical service,etc).
The North Node on her Ascendant is in Cancer, which perfectly describes how they are working on their North Node issues together ( emotional support - she is a very big help with him, as well). This shows that they are "pulling away" from the South Node only - (that a relationship is "all about" the finances, and neglecting the emotional support).

I hope those details clear up any misunderstandings in my post. I'm "with you" 100% in your analysis, Tim!

FL

[Sweet Escape]

Thank you for your input everyone.

I'm wondering if something I've noticed is common? A few people that I know don't seem to respect or appreciate anyone who has Sun conjunct their North Node. They say demeaning things about those people. I think it's strange how they demean people who would only help them move forward.

[wilsontc]

Sweet,

You said:

A few people that I know don't seem to respect or appreciate anyone who has Sun conjunct their North Node. They say demeaning things about those people. I think it's strange how they demean people who would only help them move forward.

I suggest looking at the rest of the chart. Sun conjunct North node is only one small part of the chart. If there are heavy squares in the rest of the chart, or if there are challenges to either of their Mercuries (thinking, also talking), they might be annoyed around each other or even say nasty things to the other person.

Wholistically,

Tim

[Sweet Escape]

Ok, that makes a lot of sense. Now I feel kinda dumb for asking it.

Thank you.

[astro.teacher]

Sweet Escape,

Traditionally speaking, the SN, when conjoined to any Planet turns its influence into its opposite of what it naturally is. Therefore if the SN is joined to Jupiter, we find that Jupiter (who is naturally benevolent) is converted into a malevolent Planet. If we find Saturn (who is naturally malevolent) conjoined he is turned into a benevolent point. You can read more about the NN and SN here;

http://www.antiquus-astrology.com/Chap5-8.html

[Sweet Escape]

astro.teacher,

That's really interesting, thank you for the information!