I Have Been Using The Wrong Natal Chart This Entire Time!!! - Page 3

C Jayne · #51 03-19-2006, 09:17 PM

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Great idea, Kite! ...

Hey AM--

I gave you some nice advice too! Notice me! flip back one page! Notice me! :cry:

-- CJ

Arian Maverick · #52 03-19-2006, 10:02 PM

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I gave you some nice advice too! Notice me! flip back one page! Notice me!

I am incredibly sorry, C Jayne...I get so distracted sometimes with one idea that I completely disregard the others, although they are just as valuable. I will promptly reread through these posts and respond to them accordingly

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Mars is in Gemini in the 3rd house. Thinking and learning and communicating and writing -- over and over and over. That is your individualized version of how you are expressing Aries. And your Gemini sign is shaded by having Jupiter (planet of higher learning) in it. So your ruler is thinking and learning in a way somewhat shaded by a tendency toward higher learning.

Additionally, your Mars ruler is the focal planet of a Yod. You are this thinking/learning person but you feel somehow guilty about it or unable to fulfill that role enough, somehow, because of the Yod.

First of all, thank you for pointing out the significance of my chart ruler's placement with its double emphasis on thinking/communicating in the third house in Gemini. I had totally disregarded these ideas upon my first emotionally-charged viewing of my new natal chart, focused solely on the absence of my beloved Aquarian Rising and what I considered an unwanted addition of Aries energy. Yet these house/sign alignments make perfect sense, as I have had a sense of timing and order since I was in utero...I was born on my due date after all!

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You've got that other Yod with Pluto as the focal planet in Scorpio in the 8th house. If that's not a person who has some tangled emotions, I don't know what is!

Yes, I realized that this was quite some placement for my natal Pluto since my research of the houses which I had once thought vacant...but the connection you forged between this placement and my "tangled emotions" (great description, by the way) made me see myself and my situation in a new light. Thank you again!

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With Uranus conjunct your Midheaven in the 10th, not the 9th, house, you are defining yourself by making a career, to some extent, as someone so self-involved and self-absorbed that you barely notice other people.

With all that Aries energy, you KNOW how to get attention!

Uranus is self-absorbed because he is overly self-involved, and Aries is self-absorbed because he likes to get attention. All charts have themes. being rather self-absorbed is one of your themes.

This part of your message, particularly the last feew sentences, were probably the main reason why I did not immediately respond to your post...I needed time to recover my facilities so I did not lash out in indignation. But before I begin, I would like to thank you for being honest; as an Aries, I understand and value the importance of people being forthright and direct instead of beating around the bush.

I consider myself self-involved, yes, but not self-absorbed; I am certainly not selfish in giving of myself to others if I know how. Unfortunately, I am a complete amateur at astrology so I cannot contribute as much to the community as I wish, and my thirst for knowledge often makes me appear demanding of others. For this I appologize, and would like everyone to know if there is something non-astrology related that you need help with, and it involves my talents, I will certainly help.

I am being called by my mother...I will come back to complete this post later tonight.

Arian Maverick

C Jayne · #53 03-19-2006, 10:28 PM

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Notice me!

I'll bet I never mentioned that I have an Aries Moon, did I? Or that my Midheaven is in Leo. I have lots of water on my chart (whiny whiny) and quite a bit of fire too (Notice me! Notice me!).

Thank you for acknowledging me!

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I am incredibly sorry, C Jayne...I get so distracted sometimes with one idea that I completely disregard the others.

There you go! that's the Uranus-conjunct-Midheaven stuff!

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First of all, thank you ...I had totally disregarded these ideas ... these house/sign alignments make perfect sense...but the connection you forged between this placement and my "tangled emotions" (great description, by the way) made me see myself and my situation in a new light. Thank you again!

Thank you thank you.

I am never gonna grow up, never ever, nobody can make me. Never ever.

Thank you. I just wanted to feel heard! Thank you. -- CJ

Maybe it's time for me to post my chart and introduce myself, on the New People's forum, or whatever it's called. I'm still trying to figure out where it is you've been talking about when you've mentioned someplace where everybody posts their charts.

Arian Maverick · #54 03-19-2006, 11:11 PM

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Thank you. I just wanted to feel heard! Thank you. -- CJ

As you can see from my natal chart, which is posted on almost every relevent forum due to my penchant for uploading pictures and providing text links, I have a huge fire influence in my chart. In other words, I know exactly how you feel! I absolutely need to be acknowledged for my ideas, and I can't stand to be ignored either!

Please know that with the amount of time I spend on the forums, I definately would have replied to your post eventually...but forthright entreaties are always appreciated, and I am likely to fulfill your request much more quickly

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Maybe it's time for me to post my chart and introduce myself, on the New People's forum, or whatever it's called. I'm still trying to figure out where it is you've been talking about when you've mentioned someplace where everybody posts their charts.

That's a great idea! Lapis created a forum in the Natal & Predictive Astrology Board titled Our "Astrology Weekly" Natal Charts for this very purpose, but since it has not received any recent replies, it has faded into the obscurity that is the second page.

Arian Maverick

C Jayne · #55 03-20-2006, 01:10 AM

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I absolutely need to be acknowledged for my ideas, and I can't stand to be ignored either!

Thank you!

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Maybe it's time for me to post my chart and introduce myself, on the New People's forum, or whatever it's called. I'm still trying to figure out where it is you've been talking about when you've mentioned someplace where everybody posts their charts.

That's a great idea! Lapis created ...

After all the trouble you've gone through with having to change postings everywhere, and the fact that, sometimes I wish a person's chart (such as yours) was more accessible, I decided I'd just make a link to mine, right there in my signature, instead of putting it at the site you mention.

Just ornery, I guess!

Thanks for the response!

- C J.

Arian Maverick · #56 03-20-2006, 01:58 AM

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After all the trouble you've gone through with having to change postings everywhere, and the fact that, sometimes I wish a person's chart (such as yours) was more accessible, I decided I'd just make a link to mine, right there in my signature, instead of putting it at the site you mention.

Great idea, C Jayne! Check out my new signature...

Arien Maverick

Draco · #57 03-20-2006, 02:38 AM

Hi Arien Maverick.

Ha ha.

Fancy you having had the wrong Ascendant all the time. I must admit the Aries rising comes across as quite obvious with the energy you send out.

You have so much boundless Aries get up and go that you flew straight into calculating your chart without first checking all the details. lol. Us Pisces rising tend to miss technical details too, but with us its more a case of being unable to see the wood for the trees than having tunnel vision.

It must be fun exploring your chart now in light of your new, true identity.

I'm Pisces rising, and us Pisces/Aries Ascendants are a rarer bunch in the Northern hemisphere, as these signs move very swiftly over the eastern horizon. We have special Ascendants. 8)

Draco

Arian Maverick · #58 03-20-2006, 02:42 AM

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You have so much boundless Aries get up and go that you flew straight into calculating your chart without first checking all the details.

I do not wish for others to perceive me as reckless or careless, because despite my obvious display and abundance of Arian energy, quite the opposite is usually true. Therefore, I can only defend my error like this: I have been studying astrology somewhat clandestinely, away from the prying eyes and awkward questions of my parents. Since I feared the suspicion I might arouse should I asking them to produce documentation for my time of birth, I nonchalantly asked my mother what time I was born and used the information she provided me. Why wouldn't I believe my mother when she was most definately present during my birth? Since I seemed to resonate so strongly with the Aquarian energy, there was no reason for me to question the accuracy of the information I received.

In fact, if I had not taken advantage of my father's birthday to inquire about his natal information, and if my mother hadn't accidently retrieved the wrong birth certificate, it is likely that I would never have thought to verify my own chart. Just as most children immediately accept their parent's words for truth and are unlikely to check their birth certificates for validation, so did I blindly trust my mother's information. Remember that I am not yet seventeen years old, and I have had little need to prove my identity and/or citizenship through documentation; I do not yet have my license, and although I received a passport several years ago, my parents handled the paperwork.

I believe that everyone deserves to be cut some slack...and having my Virgo South Node in the sixth house, it is amazing that I was just able to admit imperfection. Write this day on the calendar!

Arien Maverick

Draco · #59 03-20-2006, 02:59 AM

Hi Beth,

I didn't mean to imply that you were careless or reckless, just that your Arien energy is quite apparent.

Everything happens for a reason. You worked with the chart that you did at that time because it is the chart that you needed to work with then.

Draco

Arian Maverick · #60 03-20-2006, 03:23 AM

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I didn't mean to imply that you were careless or reckless, just that your Arien energy is quite apparent.

Did I mention that I have a lot of squares in my chart, especially involving the planets in my Aries stellium and the outer planets in Capricorn? Despite that overwhelming Aries influence, I have surprisingly little confidence sometimes :?

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Everything happens for a reason. You worked with the chart that you did at that time because it is the chart that you needed to work with then.

Yes, I believe this too...perhaps I simply wasn't ready to accept the truth of who I really am. One look at my real natal chart and I may have been scurrying for cover, too intimidated to continue my astrological studies!

Arien Maverick

C Jayne · #61 03-20-2006, 04:06 PM

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... my time of birth, I nonchalantly asked my mother what time I was born and used the information she provided me. Why wouldn't I believe my mother when she was most definately present during my birth?

Dear AM,

This perfectly demonstrates why, when I'm doing a chart for someone, I insist that they get their time of birth in writing. Mothers were (usually) drugged -- and, if they weren't drugged, at the time of giving birth, they weren't exactly on top of their game! I used to work up charts by hand, doing all this math, and then a person would tell me -- oops! Guess it was PM not AM!

Anyone who has done charts has run into this problem -- it happens constantly! At least now, the computer does the calculation for us.

Not your fault, Beth.

-- CJ

Arian Maverick · #62 03-20-2006, 04:21 PM

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Anyone who has done charts has run into this problem -- it happens constantly! At least now, the computer does the calculation for us.

Not your fault, Beth.

Thank you, C Jayne

Arian Maverick

Light · #63 03-20-2006, 07:55 PM

5A

I escape for a few days and everything's changed!!!!

Aqua Mav is now an airy Mav - or 5A

(AAAAA)

It suits you. Better.

Take care

hel

Arian Maverick · #64 03-20-2006, 11:14 PM

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I see Doctor Maverick as a true potential. Mars is applying to Chiron and will conjunct about the time our Doctor would finish medical school.

Depending on the house system used, Jupiter and Mars could be either in 2 or 3. And with Mars and Mercury in mutual reception, we have quite the talent to work with extreme precision using one's hands. A surgeon's aspect indeed.

I see the second house as representing talents (what one holds). We know at least Jupiter is there so we have reuler of 9 plus a good portion of 8 sitting there. If use trandtional rulerships we also have the ruler of 12 (hospitals) there.

Also depending on what house systems used, Pluto could be in the 7th house along with BML. BML could represent the patient as well as the all the shadowed feminine characteristics we might assign to Autism or related illnesses where emotion has been distorted, or since in Libra in 7 , ability to relate.

Maverick - why not use the 5 year old within you to press forward with your dream. It's all there in your chart? Sure you could do other things but why not let that child lead you?

I'm not exactly sure what I want to do, but I cannot help but think that any career in the medical field would be entirely too competitive and stressful. My rectified natal chart has my nodal axis in a very sensitive position as both my Virgo South Node and Pisces North Node are in their traditional houses; therefore, I should expect double the intensity of the life lessons as indicated by these signs. I have undoubtedly had many past lives as a physical healer, but although I may feel "in my element" should I continue to tread this path in my present incarnation, I believe it to be a dangerous idea. At least I have a few years left before I have to make a decision...

Arian Maverick

Lunar Pisces · #65 03-21-2006, 12:13 AM

Arians don't often do so well in a medical field. Truth is there is a alot of faceless, selfless sacrifice involved in a career medicine and Aries wants action and recognition, not to slave away in med schools, clinics, libraries, labs and board meetings. This is why Virgos are ideal for medicine, but not Arians.

Witha Pisces NN, that's teh direction you ought to be moving in. Pisces is spiritual, empathetic and universal. there's a selflessness about Pisces that will be difficult for your Arian persona to acchieve, but it should serve as a guide for you. While you do need to seek out the affirmations and respect from others that your Arian energies need, you should temper your Arian drives with Piscean gentleness and selflessness.

The thing about Pisces, and especially with Pisces in the 12th house, is that it's not obvious. Neptunian energies are always below the surface, swimming around in a sea of emotion, intuition, mystery and spirit. While Aries wants things on the surface, visible, and tangible, it's clear that with your NN in Pisces and in the 12th, much of your life path will be shrouded and mysterious. You need to cultivate faith and be ready to walk on even when your path is unclear, trusting your intuition and the mysteries of the universe to guide you. As an Aries you'll be tempted to rely solely on your vision, will and determination, but you'll need to recognize that there will be times in your life that those are not the right tools to be using, but instead the universe has something very different in mind for you. Aries is a fighter, but it may be the most important lesson you need to learn in this life is not to fight like an Arian, but to surrender like a Piscean to forces greater and wiser than yourself.

Arian Maverick · #66 03-21-2006, 01:31 AM

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Arians don't often do so well in a medical field. Truth is there is a alot of faceless, selfless sacrifice involved in a career medicine and Aries wants action and recognition, not to slave away in med schools, clinics, libraries, labs and board meetings. This is why Virgos are ideal for medicine, but not Arians.

I surmised as such, but remember that the forthright enthusiasm of my Aries stellium is somewhat tempered by my outer planets in Capricorn. I also happen to be very good at detail work, such as creating/uploading natal charts and providing text-links between boards. So, in many ways, I have adapted some Virgo traits into my persona.

It is frustrating at times to have such a significant emphasis on any particular sign, particularly one as vulnerable to hapless typecasting as Aries, for it is incredibly easy ignore other facets in one's character. I am sure that many members of this forum will attest to my boundless enthusiasm, but what may or may not be as obvious to some is my painstaking attention to detail and my ability to follow through on my ideas if I am sufficiently determined. Although I can certainly be impulsive, I do not act on impulse along; I always strive to ensure that my posts are well-thought-out before I submit them, and I probably edit my words more than I should. Yes, I think well on my feet, but I am also able to sit down and plan an appropriate course of action if the need should arise...not a trait commonly associated with the Aries archetype.

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Witha Pisces NN, that's teh direction you ought to be moving in. Pisces is spiritual, empathetic and universal. there's a selflessness about Pisces that will be difficult for your Arian persona to acchieve, but it should serve as a guide for you. While you do need to seek out the affirmations and respect from others that your Arian energies need, you should temper your Arian drives with Piscean gentleness and selflessness.

I don't think I have as much of a problem with selfishness as I do with Universal Trust...Aries needs action, and I have a compulsive need and desire to control every aspect of my life. Perfection is my middle name, and although I have made some significant strides in letting go this past year, there is still much work to be done.

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As an Aries you'll be tempted to rely solely on your vision, will and determination, but you'll need to recognize that there will be times in your life that those are not the right tools to be using, but instead the universe has something very different in mind for you. Aries is a fighter, but it may be the most important lesson you need to learn in this life is not to fight like an Arian, but to surrender like a Piscean to forces greater and wiser than yourself.

I absolutely agree...cheers to surrender, and to the long but beautiful road which lies ahead!

Arian Maverick

C Jayne · #67 03-21-2006, 06:26 AM

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... my painstaking attention to detail and my ability to follow through on my ideas if I am sufficiently determined....

Y'know AM,

I've been thinkin' you should try law.

You're absolutely unafraid to stand up for yourself when you feel someone is stepping on your rights, and you're obviously quite articulate. There are many kinds of lawyers, but really, I'm thinking courtroom representative -- you'd be good at standing up in front of a crowd and speaking your mind.

I have a friend who first taught school for a number of years, then after her divorce, decided it was crazy to earn so little money if she was going to be a single mother, so she went back to school and went from being a grade school teacher to being a lawyer.

Think on These Things.

--C J

Kite · #68 03-21-2006, 02:46 PM

Before we get to Aryan here, I thnk it would be helpful to look at Mavericks Decans.

Her Sun, Mercury and Venus are in the Leo decan of Aries. Mars is in the Libra decan of Gemini. Saturn and Neptune in the Taurus decan of Capricorn. Pluto in Pisces in the decan of Scorpio. Even the Part of Fortune is in the Leo decan of Aries.

Thus we've solved the mystery of Maverick's creative/musical affinity and her abundant sensitivity.

Kite

Arian Maverick · #69 03-21-2006, 03:37 PM

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Y'know AM,

I've been thinkin' you should try law.

You're absolutely unafraid to stand up for yourself when you feel someone is stepping on your rights, and you're obviously quite articulate. There are many kinds of lawyers, but really, I'm thinking courtroom representative -- you'd be good at standing up in front of a crowd and speaking your mind.

Hmm...that's another idea, one which I have briefly thought of before but discarded due to acute performance anxiety. I am prone to panicking not necessarily at the idea of presenting myself to large groups of people, but rather because of my own exaggerated and usually unwarranted expectations of failure. On the other hand, I certainly know how to command attention

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Before we get to Aryan here, I thnk it would be helpful to look at Mavericks Decans.

Her Sun, Mercury and Venus are in the Leo decan of Aries. Mars is in the Libra decan of Gemini. Saturn and Neptune in the Taurus decan of Capricorn. Pluto in Pisces in the decan of Scorpio. Even the Part of Fortune is in the Leo decan of Aries.

Thus we've solved the mystery of Maverick's creative/musical affinity and her abundant sensitivity.

Kite, I hadn't even thought to look into the decans of my natal planets! Unfortunately, I also know precious little about them...perhaps we should create another board to expound upon this topic?

Arian Maverick

Kite · #70 03-21-2006, 03:45 PM

You could take it a step further and use Duads to give more flavor to the planetary positions. Sun, Mercury and Venus are in the Libra Duad and the Moon is in the Gemini Duad.

Mars is in the Sagitarrius Duad. Jupiter is in the Cancer Duad. Uranus is in Pisces. Neptune is in Taurus and Saturn is in Gemini. Pluto is in the Aries Duad. Part of Fortune is in the Leo Duad.

Arian Maverick · #71 03-21-2006, 05:01 PM

It seems logical that duads would divide a sign into fifteen segments of two degrees each since decants divide a sign into three sements of ten degrees each...am I totally off in this assumption? :?

EDIT: I have researched this and answered my own question; there are 144 duads (dwards) in the zodiac--12 per sign and 4 per decan.

Arian Maverick

Kite · #72 03-21-2006, 05:03 PM

2 1/2 degrees each. http://www.starlitpath.com/articles/duads.html

Arian Maverick · #73 03-21-2006, 05:11 PM

Great article, Kite! :mrgreen:

Did you see the new board I created, which I renamed Decans and Duads?

Arian Maverick

tikana · #74 05-14-2007, 08:03 PM

Beth!

I love this chart

aries in 1st house? AWESOME I just didnt see you as a 12th house person..

i went through freaking out phase when I thought i was scorpio rising but in reality i am Leo rising..

New asce will grow well on you

hugs
Tik

Arian Maverick · #75 05-14-2007, 11:21 PM

My goodness, how did you find this thread, tikana? I almost forgot it existed until today!

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I just didnt see you as a 12th house person..

When I first began studying astrology, I think I confused my Aries stellium-Capricorn stellium affliction for twelfth house woes. Let's just say that I was a bit surprised when everything shifted over two houses...

Arian Maverick