I Have Been Using The Wrong Natal Chart This Entire Time!!!

[wilsontc]

Maverick,

First of all, I think you can keep at least half of your name! In my opinion, Aquarius energy is NOT about being a "Maverick" (i.e., "someone who exhibits great independence in thought and action"...according to a Google search! ). Aquarius energy is the energy of REstructuring...of taking the "tried and true" and either changing it in some way...or completely destroying it. True "maverick" energy has ALWAYS been Aries: the pioneer, the explorer, the adventurer, the beginning, the quester, etc. Aries energy BEGINS the entire zodiac, it is the energy of simply being ourselves without any "correct" social behavior attached to it. It is the raw energy of "being"...and what could be more "maverick" than that?

On to the important things...your new chart! First of all...congratulations! you have a massive, bouncing baby square between Aries energy (being, also action) and Capricorn (duty, also authority, structure, restriction)! This almost GUARANTEES that you will feel "restrained" somehow by authorities around you. However, it also give you the opportunity to BECOME the authority, once you learn how to structure your actions in a responsible way. From all you have said, it seems that being "responsible" has been a BIG challenge in you life...one that you seem to be meeting rather well. Taking on the challenges life and hands you and working with them in a mature, "adult" way.

That's a BIG part of your chart. The other is one of the 2 Yods which your new time kindly left you. it's a Yod to Scorpio (transformation) modifying Pluto (transformation) in the 8th house (transformation). So you get the idea that your life will be about "transforming" your experiences in the typical Plutonian "death and rebirth" way (i.e., the rising of the Phoenix out of the ashes). And, speaking of Pluto, transiting (planets in the sky) Pluto is conjuncting (energy is combined with) your Midheaven (outer world), indicating that now is a time when you will be transforming your entire approach to the outer world, throwing out those ideas, thoughts, people, strategies that don't work, and keeping the ways to interact with the outer world that DO work. The result...more power in the outer world. But Pluto always makes you work for things, so you are and will be EARNING this power over the next several years (Pluto has LONG transits! ).

Your old pal transiting Uranus (friends, also restructuring) is helping with this restructuring process at this time. And there are other easy transiting energies helping you handle this Pluto transformation.

The other Yod is focused on...what else for a person with 4 planets in Aries (ruled by Mars)...Mars! Just to remind you of your Martian Maverick ways! So Maverick you were and Maverick you still are...you are just MORE of a Maverick than you originally thought. The adult world, growing up, the final frontier! It's a landscape that is new, and maybe a little scary, but you have the power and energy to take it on.

Vising and revising,

Tim

[C Jayne]

Dear AM--

You'll always be a Maverick to us! I agree with one of the posts, that your Uranus conjunct to the Midheaven made you seem like an Aquarian, in spirit. :roll:

As for why THIS is the time when you learned of a different birth time, I agree with Kite -- your Ascendant being about to move into a new sign was significant.

Also, remember that post I made about Pluto (I don't know how to get there, so I can't offer a link to that posting), the focal planet of one of your Yods? Your prog Moon is conjuncting Pluto, and transiting Jupiter is conjuncting Pluto also. Pluto is the "man of the hour" on your natal chart.
You're in the middle of some kind of Yod lesson :? -- related to you learning about your own power. :twisted:

BTW-- You aren't really just a triple Aries :| :| :| -- you are a quintiple Aries, when you count your Ascendant.

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How does this sound, for a short version on you and your new chart:

You (1) approach things in a way which is nurturing -- almost motherly -- but still (2) fun, and much of your way of life revolves around demonstrating yourself(3) , like a teacher or a salesperson or a stand up comic -- but the way you define yourself in the world (4) is, you take yourself pretty seriously(5) , and you have your own quirky, eccentric, independent (6) way of doing things, which somehow integrates your innate spiritual knowledgable self (7).

Okay, here are the footnotes: 1-- Moon conjunct Asc; 2-- many 1st house (Aries house) planets which are also Aries planets; 3-- 1st house; 4 -- Midheaven; 5 - Midhaven is in Capricorn, the sign of the executive; 6 --Uranus conjunct to Midheaven; 7 -- Midheaven opposes Chiron (hey! I've been reading up on Chiron!).

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I did my husband's chart for two or three years before realizing I had ******* up casting it. He was born during WWII, and they had "wartime" which is like daylight savings time. That one hour of difference made him suddenly have a bunch of 12th house planets instead of so many 1st house planets.

The only thing that topped that, for me, was when i was doing genealogy on our family during the Civil War and for a brief hour or so, I believed that maybe my great great grandmother might have been African American. It's one thing to tell yourself you are a very open-minded Lily-White person, but it is something else altogether to suddenly wonder if you are having all these sympathetic, liberal thoughts about your own race. I had just discovered that the gr-gr grandmother I descended from was illegitimate -- along with her four siblings. 8) And then I had to double check to make sure they weren't also called "mulatto." I felt like ops: a terrible bigot ops: ops: ops: ops: for being so stunned at what a "close call" it was, but as it turned out, she was white. So then I could go back to being "safely" Caucasian.

So, okay, we won't kick you out of the Aquarian club, so long as you continue to define yourself in the world in a way which is a little quirky.

-- C. J.

[Radu]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Maverick

Is there any way to change my screen name without creating an entirely new one?

Yes, just go to your profile and change it from there. I just enabled this feature.

[Frisiangal]

Hi Beth,

AM. I feel utterly lost in my identity

How can you feel lost about an identity that was never yours but only an image you had of yourself that did not fit with whom you really are? Deep down you must know what you were longing for that allowed you to do so?

Your 'plight' made me think of Black Moon Lilith. Yep, there it is again.... transiting BML exact degree inconjunct your Moon in Aries and square your Uranus, that are part of your grand cross with Chiron and BML in the cardinal signs. They are now in the cardinal houses of your new chart, as well. Be thankful that BML revealed this unexpected gift to you at such a young age. You're an original; NEVER allow yourself to feel and be a copy of anyone else by trying to fit in to find acceptance. That's the message behind BML. 'BE MYSELF AND WHO I AM'; that's the message your 'new and true' chart is imparting. Rather poignant that, somehow, your 'location' always told you so anyway



F.

[Radu]

Yes, well said, Frisiangal!

Beth, this whole thing had a meaning: one should never identify itself with anything exterior, no matter what that is: a scientific degree, a job position, not even an astrological identity.

The natal chart is not meant to be another mask that we put on, but only a tool for better insight. You just happened to use the wrong tool, that's it. A little accurate tool, to be exact (2 hours off). Think at all those people out there who don't even know whether it was day or night when they were born.

So, not "oh, poor Beth", but "oh, lucky you!!". Cheer up, young lady, life has just begun ...

[Summery Joy]

Hey Beth,

OK. I have never really studied your old natal chart before, but I gotta tell ya, from your posts, I never really got an Aquarian vibe. You always struck me as a mix of Aries and Virgo.

Use the current Mercury Rx energy and re-check the information you got about your personality using the Aquarius ASC. You will find that they don't change much now that you know that your ASC is in Aries. Don't forget that there's a platick sextile between Aries and Aquarius. I mean, maybe your behavior is not "unexpected" but it’d probably is quite spontaneous. Unexpected and spontaneous have a lot in common, am I not correct?

The one placement that puzzles me though is that old stellium in the 12th house. Did you really relate to that? Because Aquarius and Aries may have similarities, but a stellium in the 12th house is quite different from that in the 1st!

Anyway, I just wanna tell you that it's always a great experience to rectify your chart. I had to do that myself because my parents had given me an incorrect time of birth. A difference between you and me though is that some things did not feel right and I kept trying different birth times near the one they had given me until I found one the resonated. Although some placements that I had related to changed with the new chart, I found new ones that were similar in effect in many ways.

So just relax and enjoy the experience. Not everyone gets the chance to meet their new self and learn something different.

[Arian Maverick]

The one placement that puzzles me though is that old stellium in the 12th house. Did you really relate to that? Because Aquarius and Aries may have similarities, but a stellium in the 12th house is quite different from that in the 1st!

Actually, that's one of the things I miss most about my incorrect natal chart...I feel like I have all of these restrictions festering in my subconscious, and now I no longer know how to explain them. Like others have mentioned, I should be thrilled at the prospect of redefining myself and discovering who I truly am, but a part of me still mourns for the Chart That Never Was.

That's one of the reasons why I don't feel like a quintuple Aries...shouldn't I have the ability to never regret, to never look back? I really thought my Aquarius Ascendent explained my inquiring nature and intellect, because I never thought of Aries as being a particularly intellectual sign.

Here is the sabian symbol associated with my new name, in case anyone is interested:

62__(2°)
SANTA CLAUS IS FURTIVELY FILLING CHRISTMAS STOCKINGS The natural beneficence in any normal human heart. Alertness to the wishes of others; the often hidden pride of benefactors.

___*When positive, the degree is an unusual capacity for bringing man's possessions into a wide acceptance and for heightening every proper joy in worldly goods, and when negative, a childish or clandestine futility in seeking any normal richness of living.

Arian Maverick

P.S. Thanks for the new feature, Radu! :mrgreen:

[Ihatelawschool]

you have so much cardinal sign influence in your chart-you must be a real go-getter!

[Elianah]

Hi Beth,

Look up Eugene McCarthy, a fellow Aries. An intellectual, a politician, a peace activist. He was a presidential contender at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. He just recently died.

Inquiring minds come in all signs. It's just the judgements one puts on the sign that makes it seem less so.

Besides, Aries ranks first in Mathematics and Invention/Engineering according to lexiline.com. If you want to see their whole list, go to

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi123.htm

Hope this helps your blue funk lift a little.

Elianah

[Kite]

All is not lost Maverick. Take a look at your 9th Harmonic chart and you will see that you have Mars, Uranus and Vesta conjunct in Aquarius in the 11th house (even though you're not supposed to read the houses )

This means you have a Novile aspect in your chart betwen Mars and your Uranus/Vesta conjunction (dedicated to Uranus).

The Mars/Uranus Novile is interpreted on the Astrology Weekly site as:

Mars novile Uranus: Rejoicing in one's ability to act in original and independent ways; rejoicing in one's physical uniqueness; able to affect others with one's enthusiasm and joy of life.


Sounds like Aquarian Maverick to me!

Kite

[Arian Maverick]

you have so much cardinal sign influence in your chart-you must be a real go-getter!

That's one way of putting it... :roll:

Why do I have such an overwhelming Aries influence? Is it some major karma concerning self-esteem from a past life? I despise Aries, I really do...it's against everything I've always considered myself to be. I could haved dealt with the Sun/Venus/Mercury stellium, but the Ascendent too? That's just WAY too much energy for me to handle.

I may be considered by some to be the pefect Aries: my birthday is situated at the midpoint between the Pisces and Taurus cusps (April 4/April 5)...both Mercury and Venus make a superior conjunction with the Sun in my natal chart...my Ascendent is near the Zero Aries Point...my moon is even in Aries, for goodness' sake! In other words, my Higher Self did an excellent job of choosing the exact type of person I do NOT want to be!

I'm receiving signals (it's 12:12 PM as I type) so I know I must be right track, but I feel like I'm doing everything wrong! Just ignore my rant, I have absolutely NO idea how I feel or what I'm talking about.

EDIT: In an attempt to rid myself of this unwanted depression, can everyone here help me find some of the advantages of my new natal chart?

Here's something interesting I found:

If you have Aries Rising, it's quite possible that the signs and houses in which your nodes fall will match... a powerful karmic combo that is unmistakable in your life. For example - South Node in Virgo in the 6th house with North Node in Pisces in the 12th house has a very clear purpose - leave behind over-perfectionism in favor of peace and spirituality!

Arian Maverick

[MidnightDevil]

So.... you were building your personality around a chart?

[Arian Maverick]

So.... you were building your personality around a chart?

I suppose I was...it's just that my old natal chart (particularly the Aquarian Ascendent) seemed to describe me so well that I never questioned the accuracy of my birth time. But at least I know the truth now

EDIT: Here is my new favorite quote, which I found on an obscure blog called Tales of a Pocket Spider

“WOW...TRIPLE ARIES! You must be quite a dynamic fellow with a strong personality and sense of self. Can you power a room with your energy alone? Like...plug light bulbs into your fingertips and...POW! ILLUMINATION! I think it would take a triple Aries to do that.”

Arian Maverick

[Missa]

Oh don’t despise Aries, it’s a brilliant sign in many ways. Aries actually can be quite quick-witted, the problem usually is that Aries acts before (s)he thinks, but the problem here is simply being too impatient. Also you have your Mercury conjunct at least Sun and Venus and sextile Mars. It seems you have lots of stuff in Capricorn as well, so it is possible that you don’t have the problem with acting before thinking, as Capricorn is a pretty careful sign. The first thing that comes to my mind when I look at your chart is that you’re a very ambitious person who will do well in life.

I used to really dislike the strong virgo-influence on my chart, I felt like it wasn’t really me and it was restricting me, until I learned to see the sign in a new way. Now I’m quite happy being Asc/Venus/Mars-Virgo, though sometimes I still feel like I'd like to change my rising sign.

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks, Missa!

I admit that I'm finally beginning to enjoy some of the house/sign alignments in my chart...Aries on my first cusp, Taurus on my second, Gemini on my third, Cancer on my fourth...it stops there, but then it picks up with Libra on my seventh, Scorpio on my eighth, Sagittarius on my ninth, and Capricorn on my tenth!

And that eighth house Pluto in Scorpio is wicked! :twisted:

Arien Maverick

[Lunar Pisces]

Sorry for coming in so late to this conversation. I had wanted to say to you earlier that you didn't strike me as very Aquarian/Uranian, but vastly more Arian. I was quite reluctant to say anything before, seeing you had some much invested with your earlier preceived identity. I have a very strong Uranian theme in my chart (Uranian singleton in 1st trining Aqua Mars) and well, my astro friend, it takes one to know one, and I just wasn't seeing you as one of the Uranus club. Now the Mars club, yes, I definitely saw that beofre, and now my earlier intuiitions make tons of sense.

Now may I say something that probably isn't going to sound very nice? The thing about Aries is that it gets ideas in its head and sticks to them, regardless to whatever evidence is to the contrary. Aries is strong-willed, but not a sophisticated thinker - whether Arians admit it or now, they are often resistant to new ideas because mentally, they have trouble coping with such change. Change in pre-formed convictions like this one regarding your chart actually can be pretty tramuatic, because Aries doesn't handle changing convictions and beliefs - espeically about one's identity - well, even in the best of circumstances. Remember that Aries is the "child" of the Zodiac, and like for any young child, sudden change isn't easy. It tends to arouse all sorts of fears and insecurities that Aries isn't very well-equipped to understand. While Aries is bold, pushy, lippy, and energetic, it can be riddled with its on types of anxieties, just as any child, and particualrly about identity and self-worth.

It would very good for you right now to invest your energies in activities that reaffirm your sense of self and identity - in particular ones away from astrology. Friends, other hobbies, creative pursuits, work - whatever does it for you. This also would be a good time to touch base with your parents and/or any older siblings, or any one else who acts as a parental or older brother/sister figure in your life. Or simply seek of friends or associations who you deem as mature or wise. Periods of change and reexamination can be very unstable times for Arians. This is compounded by the Arian inclination to go charging into a problem without a real attack plan, and too often they realize that they've taken the wrong approach only after they created more problems for themselves. So it's good to have things and people around you to guide you and keep you centered and grounded.

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for your honest advice, Lunar Pisces.

This has been an incredibly difficult experience to me, as I have been forced to see myself as a different person than I thought I was. Perhaps I was simply deluding myself; after all, I have been in denial of my Arian traits since my very first encounter with the astrology and the zodiac. What does one do when they detest the very essence of who they are? I've always wanted to be a native of a more intellectual sign because this is something I once valued over all other human gifts or characteristics--even kindness or empathy. I thought myself to be worthless if I did not prove myself to have a brilliant mind or exceptional academic skills. Aries has so many negative characteristics, and I fear I embody them all. I despise these weaknesses, particularly the role of Aries as the baby of the zodiac. I am the youngest child in my family, but I never truly identified myself with this role.

You inquired about any brothers and sisters. Well, I only have one brother, and as you may know from my previous posts on this forum, he is severely autistic. I suspect he may be able to recognize some very basic word patterns, but he certainly cannot read; he does not even possess the verbal communication skills of a three-year-old. He can dress himself, but he cannot tell if his clothes are on backwards. He can certainly feed himself, but we would never trust him to use a stove. In other words, our childhood was comprised of reversed roles and I instinctively, intuitively knew my duty; I often referred to myself as his "big little sister."

You may be wondering if I have a point to make, or if I am simply rambling. Well, I don't consider myself to be a child; I don't believe I've ever had this mindset. I clearly recall my mother asking me what I wanted to be when I grew up, and I did not hesitate in my answer. I wanted to be a doctor, so I could find a cure for autism. I believe I was five years old at the time...innocent, yes, but I had an inkling of the pain my brother's ailment caused to my family and I vowed to rectify the situation in whatever way I could.

I could continue with lots of other major and minor turning points in my life, such as the day I told my mother that I could no longer go outside to play with the neighborhood children because I had to focus on my school work or my initiation into the Gifted and Talented program at my school, which I later professed to my mother was the best day of my life. I could also expound at length about my increasing desperation throughout the years, but that is a discussion for another time.

I am not a child, and I don't think that I ever was. In this way, I don't think that Aries suits me at all...I have had too many close encounters and have seen too much pain. I understand that everyone must go through their trials regardless of their astrological association, but I simply feel that I do not relate to the Aries energy on many levels. There is something deeper than all of the childness associated with the sign...and that's another thing. I hate the stereotypes, the labels slapped on to each sign. I feel that Aries doesn't get the respect it should.

I am unsure if this makes any sense to anyone besides--or perhaps even exluding--myself, but I simply don't care anymore. Typecast me if you wish, I am well accustomed to it. I'm just another dumb blonde, just another angst-ridden teen, right?

Perhaps I should delete this message, have it disappear into the obscurity of my computer's memory rather than posted for the entire world to see. But I don't think I even care enough to censor myself anymore.

Beth

[Kite]

As a Moon conjunct Mars in Aries I can attest to the more positive traits of the sign. First of all, I know of no other sign that is as fearless as Aries. Yes, the other side of this is impulse but when a fire sign is focused, more than not, success is attained.

Child of the Zodiac? How about "Head of the Class"? Ariens are successful in any field that takes guts, focus, persistance and will. Dumb blonde? Reese Witherspoon is an Aries. She's proven she's no dumb blonde even through she's been very convincing playing one.

Aries is nothing to be ashamed of. It is not a dull minded sign..if anything it's the opposite. There are brilliant Areis people - Eric Clapton, Warren Beatty, Eddie Murphy, Spike Lee, Quentin Tarantino, Cesar Chavez, Al Gore, Charlie Chaplin, Dane Rudhyer, Bessie Smith, Tenessee Williams, Leonardo De Vinci, Booker T Washington had Aries Sun and Moon.

So let's not get so stereotypcial here. I have Aquarius rising. Big deal. I can tell you it's no picnic. Even my wife thinks I'm weird. My daughter is an Aquarius and she thinks I'm weird. The reality is that the rising sign is not indicative of the personality. It is just the lens one looks through to color one's world. It's probably the most superficial sense of a person like one's fashion statement.

I suggest you document what it is about Aries you like and what you don't like. Then ask yourself why you chose these aspects. How much is what you really think and believe versus what others have taught you to think and believe.

Also, remember your Mars is your ruling planet. It is not in Aries. It's in Gemini which is very clever and intelligent. Bob Dylan is a Gemini. No-one is just one sign nor one-dimensional - no matter how many planets are in the sign.

Kite

[C Jayne]

Beth--

Here is a chart of a person with a LOT of Sagittarian planets:



Notice that he has Asc, North Node, Sun, Mercury -- plus his 12th house Moon -- all in Sag.

Physically, this guy was very Jupiter -- he was HUGE! But emotionally, he was the most pitiful, chronically depressed person, full of futility and uncertainty.

A person has to REALLY look closer at his chart to figure out ANY justification for him being the way he was.

Let's look at the ruler of his most-most-most important sign -- Sag's ruler, Jupiter. See Jupiter conjunct Pluto? Jupiter square Saturn? Jupiter in 8th house? Jupiter in Virgo? In retrospect, it's easy to see that all these things probably contributed to how he manifested Sagittarius.

There are at least 12 versions to any sign -- depending on the sign where the sign's ruler lands ( or, 144 types, depending on the sign plus the house!).

Here is the Aries chart of a friend of mine:



Despite Aries Asc, with Aries/ 1st house Mercury and Sun plus a 1st house Taurus Moon, this is one very passive lady -- she will put up with lots and lots, and she hates people who argue. She cannot stand to fight -- she'll just quietly gather up her things and go, rather than fight.

But look at her Aries ruler -- Mars -- all tangled up in Pluto and Saturn.

Now that I've pointed out to her that her chart says that she is the one who tied her own ankles together, she's working on this part of herself.

Now, let's look again at your (new) chart:

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

... I really thought my Aquarius Ascendent explained my inquiring nature and intellect, because I never thought of Aries as being a particularly intellectual sign.

Mars is in Gemini in the 3rd house. Thinking and learning and communicating and writing -- over and over and over. That is your individualized version of how you are expressing Aries. And your Gemini sign is shaded by having Jupiter (planet of higher learning) in it. So your ruler is thinking and learning in a way somewhat shaded by a tendency toward higher learning.

Additionally, your Mars ruler is the focal planet of a Yod. You are this thinking/learning person but you feel somehow guilty about it or unable to fulfill that role enough, somehow, because of the Yod.

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

... a stellium in the 12th house is quite different from that in the 1st! ... is one of the things I miss most about my incorrect natal chart...I feel like I have all of these restrictions festering in my subconscious, and now I no longer know how to explain them.

That's one of the reasons why I don't feel like a quintuple Aries...shouldn't I have the ability to never regret, to never look back?

You've got that other Yod with Pluto as the focal planet in Scorpio in the 8th house. If that's not a person who has some tangled emotions, I don't know what is!

ACTUALLY--
Your Pluto Yod probably explains why you are even willing to explore who you are.

With Uranus conjunct your Midheaven in the 10th, not the 9th, house, you are defining yourself by making a career, to some extent, as someone so self-involved and self-absorbed that you barely notice other people.

With all that Aries energy, you KNOW how to get attention!

Uranus is self-absorbed because he is overly self-involved, and Aries is self-absorbed because he likes to get attention. All charts have themes. being rather self-absorbed is one of your themes.

I can't tell you where on a chart it specifically guarantees that a person will have charisma. You've got that - big time. All these people on this forum adore you (myself included) and are charmed by you and entertained by you. Any of us would do what we could to help you. :P Plenty of people come to this forum looking for help or answers, and we don't always respond to them, or to each other, but we love responding to you.

You may not like thinking of yourself as a child, and I do believe you had to take on adult responsibilities way too soon. What I can tell you, from my own personal life experience, is: taking on extra responsibility in childhood can make a person sort of childlike in later life -- we give ourselves permission to be childlike, because we know we deserve it -- we had to do too much **** for other people when we were young. So don't despair -- you haven't lost those years, you simply invested them. You'll reap the benefits for the rest of this lifetime.

Now, someone (unlike me) who is knowledgeable about Chiron and Black Lillith needs to talk to you about their significance on your chart, since one is facing your Ascendant (Black Lillith on the Descendant) and the other is facing your Midheaven (Chiron on the IC).

-- C J

[Kite]

I see Doctor Maverick as a true potential. Mars is applying to Chiron and will conjunct about the time our Doctor would finish medical school.

Depending on the house system used, Jupiter and Mars could be either in 2 or 3. And with Mars and Mercury in mutual reception, we have quite the talent to work with extreme precision using one's hands. A surgeon's aspect indeed.

I see the second house as representing talents (what one holds). We know at least Jupiter is there so we have reuler of 9 plus a good portion of 8 sitting there. If use trandtional rulerships we also have the ruler of 12 (hospitals) there.

Also depending on what house systems used, Pluto could be in the 7th house along with BML. BML could represent the patient as well as the all the shadowed feminine characteristics we might assign to Autism or related illnesses where emotion has been distorted, or since in Libra in 7 , ability to relate.

Maverick - why not use the 5 year old within you to press forward with your dream. It's all there in your chart? Sure you could do other things but why not let that child lead you?

Kite

[Kite]

I see Doctor Maverick as a true potential. Mars is applying to Chiron and will conjunct about the time our Doctor would finish medical school.

Depending on the house system used, Jupiter and Mars could be either in 2 or 3. And with Mars and Mercury in mutual reception, we have quite the talent to work with extreme precision using one's hands. A surgeon's aspect indeed.

I see the second house as representing talents (what one holds). We know at least Jupiter is there so we have reuler of 9 plus a good portion of 8 sitting there. If use trandtional rulerships we also have the ruler of 12 (hospitals) there.

Also depending on what house systems used, Pluto could be in the 7th house along with BML. BML could represent the patient as well as the all the shadowed feminine characteristics we might assign to Autism or related illnesses where emotion has been distorted, or since in Libra in 7 , ability to relate.

Maverick - why not use the 5 year old within you to press forward with your dream. It's all there in your chart? Sure you could do other things but why not let that child lead you? You chose this life and these circumstances for a reason.

Kite

[Arian Maverick]

I suggest you document what it is about Aries you like and what you don't like. Then ask yourself why you chose these aspects. How much is what you really think and believe versus what others have taught you to think and believe.

Great idea, Kite! It's always best to get one's thoughts and ideas down on paper whenever possible, or so insists my sixth house Virgo South Node. A similar thought had occured to me earlier yesterday to list the advantages and disadvantages of my new chart, but I had forgotten all about it until now. Thank you! :mrgreen:

I made another revelation about my natal chart in Church today, of all places...there are two main yods in my natal chart, one with apex Mars (my chart ruler) and the other with apex Pluto. I believe it to be of no coincidence that I discovered an article yesterday titled Does Pluto Rule Scorpio or Aries; in other words, I have the Finger of God pointing at not only one but two possible rulers of my Aries Ascendent!

It's amazing how well one's mind can work when it's not focused; while the priest was delivering his sermon, I happened to recall a particular segment of an interpretation happyraccon once gave me:

It's extremely significant that you were born at a time when Venus was inbetween Mercury and the Sun (by longitude.) It's even more extreme that Mercury and the Sun are within the same degree (15.30-16.30) and that Venus was actually SANDWICHED within that degree! Add to that the fact that the Moon was at her last moment of her cycle. You have there, my friend, a Mercurial Venusian Combusted Lunation. All of that stellium is so profoundly fused that I would consider the whole stellium to rule your Nadir....

The light here is so bright. Let's picture Venus as a diamond (you know, twinkle, twinkle, little star) Now picture her right in front of the sun! Remember, you were born at night, but that the sun was rising on that day (you were in your first few hours of life) and the diamond was in front of the sun.

Well, it turns out that I actually was born at sunrise, and the "diamond" that is my Aries stellium was indeed right in front of the sun! I did not need to wait for this to occur...it was there when I took my first breath!

I can barely contain my excitement, but I would like to thank everyone here for helping me discover the inner wisdom and strength that was was there all along! May the God/the Universe/the Source bless you all! :mrgreen:

Arien Maverick

[Kite]

Eric Francis has some words for you Maverick http://planetwaves.net/charts/parall...rts/aries.html

[Arian Maverick]

Wow! Thanks for the article, Kite!

This leads to the second factor: a total eclipse of the Sun in your sign on March 29. This is the event that suggests, proposes and informs us that what is going on in your inner life quite literally becomes the world and your experience of it. Mars in Gemini is like a test run for the eclipse, amplifying your experience and letting you see what's really going on in your mind, perhaps in a shocking way. But it will provide you with sufficient time and opportunity to make some fast, important adjustments so that you can be in precisely the mental space you need to be in when 3/29 arrives.

At this point, the world itself will be throbbing, changing, growing and bursting into entirely new territory -- as will you. Stuff that nobody can believe will be happening in the world; you will be feeling these kinds of astonishing, unlikely and even impossible shifts within yourself.

And the relationship between you and the world will be anything but abstract, and indeed, have the power to shape your life for many years to come. This eclipse is an Aries Point event, within a few degrees of the first degree of your sign; and that means B-I-G.

Forget about B-I-G...this is going to be H-U-G-E for me! An eclipse on the Aries Point, which is practically my Ascendent degree, also affecting my Sun, Moon, Mercury, AND Venus!

I can hardly wait to charge headfirst into the fray, like the adventurous ram I am! 8)

Arien Maverick

[Kite]

Forget about B-I-G...this is going to be H-U-G-E for me! An eclipse on the Aries Point, which is practically my Ascendent degree, also affecting my Sun, Moon, Mercury, AND Venus!

I'm there with you Maverick as my Mars in Aries is at 2 degrees and my Moon is at 4 and Ceres at 7. Let the good times roll :!: