Synastry Connections -- What Does This Mean?

[Arian Maverick]

Not too long ago, I made an off-comment about astrology to one of my teachers/mentors and discovered that he too had been very interested in astrology in his youth...so much so that he even knew his Rising Sign! You can imagine my surprise when he whipped out his cell phone and called his mother to verify his time of birth, after eagerly asking me to create a natal chart for him!

Curious about this unexpected development and wondering what the Universe was trying to tell me, I created a synastry chart between us and was amazed to see several tight conjunctions--my Moon almost EXACTLY conjunct his Chiron, my Mercury almost EXACTLY conjunct his Venus, and his Neptune almost EXACTLY conjunct my Midheaven!

I find it quite bizarre that I would have more astrological connections with a relative stranger than with my both of my parents...what does this mean?

EDIT: See the corrected synastry chart here, or scroll down the page.

Aquarian Maverick

[wilsontc]

Maverick,

In my opinion it means that astrology works all the time...even if we aren't always aware of it or have the details about the situations we are in.

Astrologizing,

Tim

[Arian Maverick]

Does anyone else have any ideas? :?

I feel that this is significant, but I don't know exactly how...

Aquarian Maverick

[blumen]

Mav,

if you PM me your birth data I will cast your charts and have a look at them. I look at synastries drawing each partner's planets on the outside of the other's natal chart wheel, and look at both charts at the same time,

Blumen

[Arian Maverick]

if you PM me your birth data I will cast your charts and have a look at them. I look at synastries drawing each partner's planets on the outside of the other's natal chart wheel, and look at both charts at the same time,

Thank you, Bluemen! I have sent you a PM with the natal information...hopefully this Mercury RX won't play around with the system :roll:

Aquarian Maverick

[C Jayne]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Maverick

Does anyone else have any ideas? :?

I feel that this is significant, but I don't know exactly how...

Aquarian Maverick

Dear Aq Mav--

Look at the basic charts. You have a stellium in Aries and so does he. Your Ascendant is in Aquarius and his Moon is there. :twisted: Your Marses are in opposition (I can't tell if it's a loose opposition or a tight one). You didn't know you had so many similarities because his personality is "hidden" by a Scorpio Ascendnat, which conjuncts your Midheaven.

When I have had situations something like this, my "take" on it has been, :roll: God has sent me someone who understands me in most all aspects of my personality, but we are competitive (Mars opposing Mars) in some way, which we have overcome for the sake of this relationship.

This would :evil: not :evil: be a good romance -- that Mars opposition is a killer (and also, you would get bored with each other because your Aries stelliums make you too much alike) -- but it's great for a mentor. Both my Mom's and my brother's Marses oppose mine, and they teach me a whole different way of doing things because they don't do it like I do it. That difference in perspective is quite helpful.

Midheaven and Ascendant are very very specific to the person, because they are determined by the moment -- the instant-- of birth. When one person's Midheaven and the other person's Ascendant have a strong relation to each other, some astrologers say there is a past life connection. Don't discount the importance of that connection. You were brought together for a :P reason, :P and it sounds like you are acting out that reason. Nice situation!

Those conjunctions you point out are nice, but don't forget to look at the BIG PICTURE. How many people do you meet in your everyday like who have stelliums in Aries? To some extent, this person is a soul mate.

BUT--

Just don't get confused about his purpose in your life. You would not want to live under the same roof. I've seen "perfect" marriages fall apart that had Marses that opposed.

-- C Jayne

Don't ask me about Sabian symbols or Chiron, but I can tell you quite a bit about progressed charts and the combined energies of two people!

:mrgreen:
PS - As a good astrological exercise, you might want to chart up every person in your homeroom (day and year of birth without time of birth for birth time). What you will probably discover is that there are people who you thought had nothing in common with you whose planets say otherwise, and the people you thought you had so much in common with maybe have only one or two little things.

[Arian Maverick]

This would not be a good romance -- that Mars opposition is a killer (and also, you would get bored with each other because your Aries stelliums make you too much alike) -- but it's great for a mentor...Just don't get confused about his purpose in your life. You would not want to live under the same roof. I've seen "perfect" marriages fall apart that had Marses that opposed.

No, don't worry...I don't have any romantic feelings for him. He's quite a bit older than me, and he's already married

PS - As a good astrological exercise, you might want to chart up every person in your homeroom (day and year of birth without time of birth for birth time). What you will probably discover is that there are people who you thought had nothing in common with you whose planets say otherwise, and the people you thought you had so much in common with maybe have only one or two little things.

Great idea! Should I do a hypothetical chart with the time set to 12 noon, then?

Aquarian Maverick

[C Jayne]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Maverick

Great idea! Should I do a hypothetical chart with the time set to 12 noon, then? Aquarian Maverick

That's what I would do.

When I was single, I wrote down every birthday I was told, and went home and did charts of everybody. In those days, we couldn't ask a computer to do it, so we looked it up in a book. I photocopied astro-circles that had signs only. It makes it much simpler to compare charts that way. The houses are meaningless when you're looking at a couple dozen charts for which none of them should have the assigned time of noon. You could probably pick up a book-form ephermis for a few bucks, used, at an astrological bookstore, but if you're more comfortable with the online calculator, use it.

Anyway, the exercise can be very instructive. Good luck! - C

[Arian Maverick]

I should probably edit this synastry chart now that I have my correct natal data :roll:

His North Node is now tightly conjunct my Ascendant, and his natal Uranus falls right on my Descendant. Besides this, the Mercury-Venus conjunction is still strong and the Moon-Chiron is only slightly less exact.



Beth

[wilsontc]

Beth,

Thanks for posting the new chart! This new chart is MUCH easier to interpret than the other:
- his planets focus in your 1rst house (being, also action) - he motivates you to action in some way
- his planets conjunct (energy is combined with) your Descendant (others) - he is an "other" person whom you instantly "connect" with - he may also help you relate to others in some way

Quick interpreting,

Tim

[blumen]

When looking at synastry charts, I consider only major aspects (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition) between planets from the Sun to Pluto, leaving out asteroids and hypothetical planets.
The following are, very briefly, the observations I made.

This person has a transforming influence on you, that is why you feel so drawn to him. It is something different from the intellectual transformation that a good teacher can induce in his students, it goes beyond this. It involves our entire self, your personality and your outlook on life. Somehow, it is as if you can guess, feel the mood this person is in. While he has helped you develop your logical-rational capabilities, and made them more systematic. And he should show a sweet, caring attitude to you. We are talking about a teacher/mentor who maybe does not have the attitude typical of an intellectual. Extremely clever, maybe slightly shy, ironic, sociable and diplomatic, he does not really seem to fit the stereotype of a teacher, and I believe you two could be relating to each other more as friends than as teacher/student.

Even though there is an over concentration of planets in Aries and in Virgo, this man’s chart is on the whole well-integrated. Its main points are the stelliums in Virgo and in Aries. The Virgo stellium in particular may be slightly problematic. If we are considering only his personality, and hence leaving out other elements (maybe this person has an exceptional manual ability and he could be fond of repairing household appliances, bricolage etc.), you can see that he has a lot of stamina and energies. These at time may become pent-up or repressed, with the result that he may be to a certain extent hyperactive, aggressive and even hysterical if he is unable to release these energies. Which I think he not always can. Sometimes he may become quite dogmatic or stubborn, that is, there is only one way for him to do things. Different ways of behaving, of doing things, breaking well consolidated patterns may upset him because they challenge his schemes and “mental order”. A person with strong Cancer/Lunar influences would respond to all this with the sweetness so typical of Cancers, with the result that this men would considerably relax in her presence. Various other combinations may indicate that the partner is able to deal with this character trait of him quite successfully. In your chart, the only planets that touches this Virgo stellium is Mars, and it does so with a square from Gemini. The square touches all the stellium “by means of” Pluto. What does this mean? Clash of personalities, because you are a lot more light-hearted, outgoing and talkative than this very precise, reflexive person? Of course yes, but the thing with this synastry is different.

Differently from horary charts, synastry charts do not indicate what happens in a relationship, but rather its potential, what may happen given certain circumstances.

In this case, I cannot help but find find indicators of mutual attraction - both physical and intellectual - all over the chart. There should also be a deep emotional bond between you. The intellectual and romantic attraction is clearly indicated by the conjunction of your Aries stelliums. This indicates also very strong similarities between you. In a sense, it is like one of you or both have the feeling that something can be discovered in the other person. But on the whole in your interaction it feels as if you are moving on a well-known territory, because you are able to perceive each others’ moods and feeling and reactions. Life and relations to other are seen in almost the same way, you share exactly the same attitude with regards to these spheres of your lives. This can be very relaxing and reassuring in a way, but in the end both of you may feel that there is too little to be discovered in the other person.
That Mars/Pluto, Jupiter and Uranus square may be problematic in the case of physical attraction. For one, all Mars/Pluto aspects in synastry charts bear clear signs of physical attraction between two people, the square is in my opinion the most difficult one, as maybe the parties do not know too well how to handle this, and it may constitute a source of tension which could be sublimated in debates and so on. It is a quite complicated aspects, one that indicated difficulties in getting together so to speak. Anyway it is like the two of you are teasing each other all the time. Intellectually mainly, but maybe both of you would like this to be not only a mental thing….. Your Mars is opposite his Mars. In the short term, this can be very stimulating, but if it is not supported by favourable configurations, may indicate that you will eventually get tired of each other because you give on each other’s nerves. Now, one favourable element is your Mars sextile his Aries stellium. Could it be that you brought a wind of freshness in this person’s life, he looks to you as a reliable, solid person and hence you became hopelessly attracted and maybe got a crush on each other? Yet, I cannot see many indicators of stability in this chart, neither can I see planetary placement signalling good mutual understanding on practical, everyday matters.


Blumen

[Arian Maverick]

The following are, very briefly, the observations I made.

"Very briefly?"

I'm just kidding...that was an absolutely brilliant interpretation! :!:

This person has a transforming influence on you, that is why you feel so drawn to him. It is something different from the intellectual transformation that a good teacher can induce in his students, it goes beyond this. It involves our entire self, your personality and your outlook on life. Somehow, it is as if you can guess, feel the mood this person is in. While he has helped you develop your logical-rational capabilities, and made them more systematic. And he should show a sweet, caring attitude to you. We are talking about a teacher/mentor who maybe does not have the attitude typical of an intellectual. Extremely clever, maybe slightly shy, ironic, sociable and diplomatic, he does not really seem to fit the stereotype of a teacher, and I believe you two could be relating to each other more as friends than as teacher/student.

For only knowing me a few months--at least in this incarnation--I feel that this man has an incredibly strong understanding of me, perhaps because he himself experienced similar setbacks and is therefore able to relate. He is incredibly kind and sympathetic, and I sometimes feel that he has a direct connection into my psyche because he intuitively knows when to listen, when to share anecdotes from his own life, and when to do or say something completely absurd just to make me laugh. He accidently used a permanent marker to doodle on my dry-erase board once, but instead of being upset by the situation, I found it absolutely hysterical. I took a break from my assignment and we added to the scene he had created for a few minutes, laughing at how my pumpkin looked like a pear and his squirrel looked like a snail in a tree. I believe there to be a serious side to his nature with his chart's Virgo emphasis, but I know him to be downright silly sometimes--which is exactly what I need if I am frustrated or upset about something, and while doing schoolwork, that is more often than not.

What does this mean? Clash of personalities, because you are a lot more light-hearted, outgoing and talkative than this very precise, reflexive person? Of course yes, but the thing with this synastry is different.

I do not know how my teacher behaves in his personal life, but from my interactions with him I have noticed that he can be much more light-hearted than his chart would otherwise suggest. In fact, I often feeling guilty for confiding my troubles in him because I do not wish to deflate his spirit.

In this case, I cannot help but find find indicators of mutual attraction - both physical and intellectual - all over the chart. There should also be a deep emotional bond between you. The intellectual and romantic attraction is clearly indicated by the conjunction of your Aries stelliums. This indicates also very strong similarities between you. In a sense, it is like one of you or both have the feeling that something can be discovered in the other person. But on the whole in your interaction it feels as if you are moving on a well-known territory, because you are able to perceive each others’ moods and feeling and reactions. Life and relations to other are seen in almost the same way, you share exactly the same attitude with regards to these spheres of your lives. This can be very relaxing and reassuring in a way, but in the end both of you may feel that there is too little to be discovered in the other person.

I am not sure that there is any phsyical attraction between us, but then again I have always been determined to keep such relationships within their proper boundaries. Fortunately, this has never been much of a problem; although I am a passionate person who will share her thoughts and feelings freely with another person whom I care about and trust, I am careful to ensure that any attachment or affection towards that person remains platonic. I suppose you can say that my tenth house Capricorn stellium makes me a "practical idealist."

Also, I should mention that this is not the first meaninful relationship I have had with a teacher/mentor; there have been others with whom I've shared wonderful relationships that benefited me greatly at a time when I couldn't relate to my peers.

Please do not feel obliged to do another reading, but I thought it might be interesting to post another synastry chart between myself and another individual with whom I have a similar relationship, if only to further others' as well as my own astrological understanding. I know of his birthday and have deduced his year of birth from his year of graduation, but his time and place of birth remain unknown. However, I believe that his family is indigenous to the area where I live, so it does not require a large stretch of my imagination to assume he was born around here as well.

Just look at those conjunctions between my Sun/Venus and his Venus, and my Mercury and his Moon! If only I had the natal data of some other people I have known...these relationships somehow seem fated.



Arien Maverick

[blumen]

Synastry charts indicate the potential of a relationship, not what actually happens between two people. If I meet a man and I think “I like him”, I can choose whether to have a relationship with him or not regardless of synastry aspects. Synastry is not enough. Other things need to be taken into account, and these are: age, marital status and so on.

Just look at those conjunctions between my Sun/Venus and his Venus, and my Mercury and his Moon! If only I had the natal data of some other people I have known...these relationships somehow seem fated.

If you collect birth data of your class-mates, your friends, teachers etc. you will find equally powerful connections. The same may be true for all those people who influenced you in one way or another, through any means. For instance, if you are interested in Herman Hesse’s novels and you learn something new from them, the synastry between you and Herman Hesse will show powerful connections even though this author is now dead. All relationships you have with people are in this sense “fated”. On earth there are 5.000.000.000.000 people. In order for two of them to meet, to communicate, to share an aspect of their existence however small it may be, and to exert any kind of influence on each other, strong synastry aspects are needed.

This goes for every kind of social interaction. Lots of people are posting their chart on this forum. Try doing a synastry with the people you write to, and you will find quite strong aspects in the synastry chart.

This is my chart




Your entire stellium is conjunct my Jupiter, and your Jupiter conjuncts my Mars. Your Uranus trines my Virgo/first house stellium, and Neptune/Saturn trine my Mercury. Eight of the planets in you natal chart aspect mine. We do not know each other. Does this mean that the posts we exchange are “fated”, “karmic” or are going to enlighten us? Absolutely not. This only proves what I said before. That since there are so many people around, even a casual encounter must be marked by strong synastry aspects. You simply do not interact with people with whom you do not have strong synastry connections.


Another example. This is Franz Kafka's natal chart. Novels written by this bohemian author influenced me really deeply. Now the man is dead, but you can see that his Pluto and Mars are conjunct my Midheaven. His Pluto and Saturn conjunct my Mars, and the rest of his Gemini stellium is square my natal Mercury and my Moon as well. Uranus is exactly conjunct my Mercury.




Anyway, in a synastry chart between a man and a woman, certain aspects do indicate physical attration. These aspects are, among the others: Sun-Venus, Venus-Mars, Mars-Mars, Venus-Venus, Sun-Mars etc. Having such synastry aspect does not mean that you will have an affair with this person, you may simply find them attractive and good-looking without having any sexual thoughts about them.

Cheers,

Blumen

[Arian Maverick]

If you collect birth data of your class-mates, your friends, teachers etc. you will find equally powerful connections. The same may be true for all those people who influenced you in one way or another, through any means. For instance, if you are interested in Herman Hesse’s novels and you learn something new from them, the synastry between you and Herman Hesse will show powerful connections even though this author is now dead. All relationships you have with people are in this sense “fated”. On earth there are 5.000.000.000.000 people. In order for two of them to meet, to communicate, to share an aspect of their existence however small it may be, and to exert any kind of influence on each other, strong synastry aspects are needed.

This makes so much sense! Thanks again, blumen! :mrgreen:

Arien Maverick

[C Jayne]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

This makes so much sense! Thanks again, blumen!

So --

We're all giving you the same homework, huh AM?

-- C J

[Arian Maverick]

We're all giving you the same homework, huh AM?

Yes, so I've noticed

Unfortunately, this is a bit difficult to do given my current school situation...but I'll try to gather as much information as I can. My birthday's coming up in a few weeks, and I think this is the perfect segueway into such a conversation!

Arian Maverick