Do I have hypothyroidism?

[kate9]

Hi everyone,
I've been lurking around for a while, but I drew up a chart for this question and I'd really like some input from some of you brilliant people. I have a limited knowledge of reading horary charts, so I'm just going to do my best.

The question was asked Aug. 5, 11:11PM, New London, CT, USA (about 4Tau48 on the Asc). Sorry I can't post a chart yet. I'm too new!

Okay. The ascendant is in Taurus ruled by Venus. Venus is critical at 29Leo56 (still under the sunbeams and on Regulus, if that means anything of importance in this case?) and about to move into Virgo, where it's in it's fall.

Thyroid is ruled by the 2nd generally...but the 6th rules health matters. Luckily for me they are both ruled by Mercury which is also in Leo, and still combust. Mercury is approaching conjunction with Venus by about 8 degrees. The aspect won't be completed until they are both in Virgo, though (where Mercury is exalted). So would this be a yes or a no?

Mercury isn't exactly dignified (Jupiter's triplicity, Jupiter's term, Mars' face), and Venus seems in bad shape too. Plus they are approaching conjunction, but I'm confused about their move into Virgo. Venus will be weaker, but Mercury will be much stronger.

On a side note, the Moon, my other significator is in Libra in the 6th, and approaching sextile to the Sun, ruling the 5th, then quickly moving into square with Jupiter, ruling the 8th and the 12th. Hmm...so here's what I'm guessing in terms of the Moon's aspects-- Moon aspects the Sun first, probably means I get a blood test. If the approaching conjunction between Mercury and Venus means I test positive, then the square to Jupiter might mean I'm given a prescription of some sort?

I think I'll stop here, I'm starting to confuse myself.

TIA

[starlink]

Welcome to this Forum Kate! Hope you will thoroughly enjoy your stay. And I am very pleased to see you giving your own question an interpretation which is not bad at all! I will have my breakfast first, then I will come back to you to give you my best
Cheers, Starlink

[starlink]

Hi Kate, here I am again. The thyroid gland is represented by the planet Mercury and the signs Taurus, (Scorpio and Sun )according to the rulership book of Rex Bills. So if Taurus is ruled by Venus, so I will look at Venus as well of course.

Good, you are indeed Venus and in a critical degree in Leo, but still in your house of Joy. However, so soon to be in Virgo where it will be ruled by Mercury that it already starts looking as if you have indeed some health issue related to the thyroids.
You are also the Moon who is always co-significator or the querent except when Moon represents the quisited.
Moon is in the 6th in a Venus ruled sign. Another indication that you are not well. Moon is also peregrine for the rest of the sign and in the face of Saturn .

You as quisitor are ruled by the same planet as thyroids, which is Venus. Often when Quisitor and quisited are the same, there is a yes answer.
The Moon is going to enter the Via Combusta, showing that you could feel tired and burned out and Venus coming into Virgo and approaching Saturn also shows that you could be ill.

However, Mercury, who rules your 6th house, also rules thyroid glands and Mercury is NOT going to conjunct Venus in time, so this is positive again.
The Moon, also you, DOES aspect Mercury by square in about 8°, more or less week. I guess that by then you will have the results of your tests in.
Because the negative indications are outweighing the positive one, and because the end of the matter house which is ruled by the Moon also does not look favorable, I am inclined to think that indeed you might have this illness. Moon and Mercury are both in term of Jupiter, ruler of 8th and 12th.
Maybe an operationor other operative action (also because of Mars in the 6th and Moon applying by square to Jupiter) will be needed to determine the exact reason for your (or the doctors?)hypothyroidism suspicion.
Of course the doctors will determine if you really have this illness, so what I am writing here is merely an astrological exercise, so dont take my "verdict" as truth. I might be totally wrong OK?
So please do go to have it checked!!

Please keep us posted as this will help us determine if we are right.(hopefully there will be others who can give their impression of this chart) .

Cheers, Starlink

[kate9]

Hi Starlink,
Thank you for the welcome and the encouragement!

Perhaps I could add some helpful information... Yesterday morning I called the office of my primary care physician to make an appoinment so that I could get a blood test done, and perhaps be referred to an endocrinologist if needed. However, the receptionist told me to call back at the beginning of September, because they are booked to October. Looking at the calendar, the beginning of October is...8 weeks. That may be where the 8 somethings comes into play? (btw, is the 8 degree conjunction too much of a stretch?)

The Moon is also slow(ing) in motion, so I'm sure that's not good. The Moon is my other significator and rules the 3rd, my mind, which I would definitely say feels slow! Would it's last aspect be to Venus, or would it be the first aspect once Venus is in Virgo, and the Moon is in Scorpio?

The other thing I'm tossing around in my mind is a possible problem with the anterior pituitary. I pulled out my old Biology book and found out that the anterior pituitary, among other things, has control over the thyroid! According to Rex Bills (I'm glad you brought him up, I wasn't sure I could mix his stuff with horary!) the anterior pituitary is ruled by...the Sun. The Sun is happy in it's sign, Leo, but interestingly enough, Mercury is still within combustion orb, and Venus is still under the sunbeams (though both not for long). So perhaps the Sun is slightly weakening them? The Sun is also on Venus' term. I don't know. It's possible, but maybe I'm making something out of nothing.

As you said, Moon and Mercury are on Jupiter's term, so I thought perhaps medication, which I believe is a 12th house thing? It could also be hospitalization, or again as you said, an operation which would mean things are much worse than I thought. Venus is on Mars' term, and Mars rules the 7th, placed in the 6th. I'm thinking Mars signifies the doctor. I believe I read somewhere that doctors are the 7th. Makes sense too, since the Moon's last aspect was a conjunction to Mars in Virgo, which was my attempt at making an appointment to meet with my doctor. So I'm on my doctor's terms.

So overall the feeling I'm getting is that I'm in a weak state, but things are going to get a lot worse. Perhaps that depends on whether or not I get this checked out? I'm really debating whether I should find another doctor to expediate this process.

Thanks again Starlink!

[starlink]

Hello Kate, thanks a lot for your feedback. Yes, this makes sense, the 8°!
Also, and you are quite right here, the doctor is indeed Mars in the 6th

The thyroid gland is represented by the planet Mercury and the signs Taurus, (Scorpio and Sun )according to the rulership book of Rex Bills.

So because the anterior Pituitary gland is connected with thyroids, hormones, I think that he therefore mentioned also the Sun (see quote).

The Sun is happy in it's sign, Leo, but interestingly enough, Mercury is still within combustion orb, and Venus is still under the sunbeams (though both not for long). So perhaps the Sun is slightly weakening them?

Yes, very much so, even though they are moving away from the Sun.

Medication is 2nd house (that which goes through the mouth), a prescribed treatment is the 10th, illness is 6th and the 12th are places of confinement (in natal astrology it is hospital). Take the 6th as the house of illness= hospital. 12th is more a prison and a hospital is not really a prison. A mental clinic is (I feel, because you are not allowed out). In a hospital you are always allowed out, but usually cannot because you are too weak.

That may be where the 8 somethings comes into play? (btw, is the 8 degree conjunction too much of a stretch?)

There is no such thing as a conjunction Kate. You must only look at ingoing conjunctions and outgoing one's. The exact conjunction is what you must look at as "end station", the perfection as it is called in horary. Two planets must perfect, either by conjunction (without any orb) or other Ptolemeic aspect (no minors).

If another doctor could do a bloodtest quicker, I would do that if you want to have an answer quickly and if you are feeling sort of sick. September is a long time to wait!!

The square of the Moon to Mercury in 8 somethings could also be that you get some sort of problem in 8 days, or weeks. (from the day of your question of course). Squares always represent obstacles to overcome. Oppositions are worse though.
This square could even mean a "NO" to your questions. You (Moon) to square illeness (Mercury). Squares are often No's and trines Yesses in horary.
Maybe you can manage to get a bloodtest done quicker and the answer in about 8 days could mean that you dont have hypothyroidism.
But something should happen around that time I think. Mercury is also the traditional ruler of messages so you could also get a call or a message. (Moon rules your 3rd also).

Cheers, Starlink

[kate9]

Originally Posted by starlink

Medication is 2nd house (that which goes through the mouth), a prescribed treatment is the 10th, illness is 6th and the 12th are places of confinement (in natal astrology it is hospital). Take the 6th as the house of illness= hospital. 12th is more a prison and a hospital is not really a prison. A mental clinic is (I feel, because you are not allowed out). In a hospital you are always allowed out, but usually cannot because you are too weak.

Ah! Okay. I thought drugs in general was the 12th. (Well, a hospital may be a prison to some... )

There is no such thing as a conjunction Kate. You must only look at ingoing conjunctions and outgoing one's. The exact conjunction is what you must look at as "end station", the perfection as it is called in horary. Two planets must perfect, either by conjunction (without any orb) or other Ptolemeic aspect (no minors).

Yeah, I was just being sloppy. Thanks for keeping me on my toes! Either way, I saw Mercury approaching Venus, eventhough the aspect will not perfect until around 19Vir30. They have to pass Saturn too...hmm.

If another doctor could do a bloodtest quicker, I would do that if you want to have an answer quickly and if you are feeling sort of sick. September is a long time to wait!!

I am definitely leaning toward finding another doctor for this issue. I don't think I want to wait for an appointment in October! I could get the bloodtest taken at anytime, but I need to find someone to look at and interpret the results. (Unless I want to be bold and barge into an endocrinologist's office...)

The square of the Moon to Mercury in 8 somethings could also be that you get some sort of problem in 8 days, or weeks. (from the day of your question of course). Squares always represent obstacles to overcome. Oppositions are worse though.

It seems that I'm certainly having my share of obstacles. Thanks for the info on oppositions, I didn't know that they were worse.

This square could even mean a "NO" to your questions. You (Moon) to square illeness (Mercury). Squares are often No's and trines Yesses in horary.
Maybe you can manage to get a bloodtest done quicker and the answer in about 8 days could mean that you dont have hypothyroidism.
But something should happen around that time I think. Mercury is also the traditional ruler of messages so you could also get a call or a message. (Moon rules your 3rd also).

Oh, I do hope it's not a no! I've had most of the symptoms for much of my life... It could turn out to be something else entirely, but I really need to know once and for all.

Well, 8 days from the question would be the 13th, I believe. Hmm, it's even a Mercury-ruled Wednesday! Yes, maybe I'll get a message from the office saying there's an opening? Wishful thinking, I know.