Are we there yet/Are we having fun yet?

[Vallin]

Maybe this goes in the books/reading forum, too.

Joanna Woolfolk, in the HIGHLY recommended 'Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need' (close to it...real close, especially with the CD-ROM birthchart program), claims that we are already IN the Aquarian Age. According to her it began with the end of WWII with the computer and the atomic bomb. As a Camelot baby of the '60's (PL in Virgo), I know I saw "the dawning of the AGE OF AQUAAAAA-REE-USSS". "Let The Sun Shine IN", ba-bay!

Most astrologers conservatively put the "new" age after 2100. Do you agree with Woolfolk, or do you think this is really an ego appeal to the baby-boomers who are actually paying her rent?! If this is true, then we are also seeing the first revolutionary PL-in-Cap of the Aquarian Age (btw: have you noticed that when PL enters a sign, it is not affected by retrogrades out of the sign. I could say all sorts-a naughty things about PL-in[^_^]Virgo! I just hope that we will follow Renaissance's advice and keep this revolution "peaceful".

[Vallin]

Thanks. I remember Dec. 1980 very well. I was in college, and we were all sad about John Lennon...ah, maybe that's the key. I had just learned a really cool bass solo ("Silent Wings of Freedom" by Yes, it was kinda' in honor of John), and I was taking piano lessons.

[Vallin]

I was born near the Jup/Sat conj in Cap/Aqu in 1961...in Washington DC. I'm a real Camelot baby.

[blueheron]

Originally Posted by Vallin

Maybe this goes in the books/reading forum, too.

Joanna Woolfolk, in the HIGHLY recommended 'Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need' (close to it...real close, especially with the CD-ROM birthchart program), claims that we are already IN the Aquarian Age. According to her it began with the end of WWII with the computer and the atomic bomb. As a Camelot baby of the '60's (PL in Virgo), I know I saw "the dawning of the AGE OF AQUAAAAA-REE-USSS". "Let The Sun Shine IN", ba-bay!

Most astrologers conservatively put the "new" age after 2100. Do you agree with Woolfolk, or do you think this is really an ego appeal to the baby-boomers who are actually paying her rent?! If this is true, then we are also seeing the first revolutionary PL-in-Cap of the Aquarian Age (btw: have you noticed that when PL enters a sign, it is not affected by retrogrades out of the sign. I could say all sorts-a naughty things about PL-in[^_^]Virgo! I just hope that we will follow Renaissance's advice and keep this revolution "peaceful".

No, I don't agree. The Age of Aquarius doesn't being in any single day, month, nor year. It's at least a 400 year cusp between ages. I think the transition to the Age of Aquarius began with the discovery of Uranus in 1891 by Herschel. (I think that's correct.) We're somewhere in the middle of the transition. But, finding the precise day, month, or year is a problem because it's impossible to tell exactly where the constellation of Pisces begins. (not the calculation of the sign of Pisces, but the constellation of Pisces... which is where the current precessional cycle is anchored.)

[Ekim86]

I'd say were in the "dawn" of the age of aquarius. We are now starting to turn our attention to the envirnoment; alternative fuels, the green house effect, recycling, to name a few. I personally feel that our religous differences are getting better as well. Slowly but surely. We are taking a step in the right direction.

"According to Rabbi Joel C Dobin the ancient Jewish Astrologers determined a new Prophetic Age by observing the Ju/Sa conjunction cycles."

Just curious about this statment. I supose there our other factors to this considering jupiter/saturn conjunction cycles don't take 2000 years to meet up. Or do they?

[Lapis]

Originally Posted by Vallin

Most astrologers conservatively put the "new" age after 2100. Do you agree with Woolfolk, or do you think this is really an ego appeal to the baby-boomers who are actually paying her rent?!

Many of the "boomers" carry (and manifested) much of the Aquarian/Uranian energies that got things busted loose and changing back in the 60's when I was a teenager. That was their energetic Pluto in Leo jobs (Leo/Aquarius). Here we are all these years later and a second wave of that "system busting" Aquarian energy is being further carried (and manifested) by another generation. Cycles within cycles....

I absolutely feel we are well into the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. If you doubt this just watch TV with this in mind and you'll see so much of the less than perfect characteristics of both Aquarius and Leo. It's everywhere....

I also feel that these energies began manifesting with the physical discovery of Uranus in 1891. I do not believe however, that it's going to take a few hundred more years before all of humanity is fully functioning within the "new Age" energies and consciousness. We've got to take into consideration how time is increasingly compressed or seemingly speeding up. There's a lot going on now and even more to come between now and 2011 and 2012. We don't require (or have) 3 or 4 hundred years on the cusp of Ages. The transition into the Age Aquarius is profoundly fast this time around for numerous reasons. Just my opinion however. How fast has time been moving for you lately?

[Vallin]

Let me first apologize for webtv at home for all the Pic->Aqu anomalies ("Dai-zee, Dai-zeee...": guess what my all-time favorite movie is!). I have to 3rd-space at the library 2 days/week. Thanks EVERYONE for getting into this thread. Your ideas and opinions are helpful. This is the first thread I've ever started; it's exciting!

To answer the last question...I'm a struggling musician/bookseller (plug-plug: get the Woolfolk at Barnes & Noble. Tell 'em Vallin at GA Tech sent ya') NO! Things are NOT moving fast enough. I'm reading 'The Beatles' by Bob Spitz (bargain@BN) and feeling very frustrated. I'm a major Brit-invasion fan (www.groups.yahoo.com/group/songforallseasons).

I had this thought yesterday. Think about Abu Garib/Iraq-yadda-yadda.... OK, remember Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise in 'A Few Good Men'--the court scene: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" I feel a lot of that in my personal life right now (Nep entered my IVth house permanently a few months ago. Albums to hear: 'Neptune City' Nicole Atkins and 'Back To Black' Amy Winehouse).

Vallin

[Vallin]

KUUL!

The world didn't end, but Ringo joined The Beatles. Nuf Said.

[Vallin]

1781? Uranus was discovered around the American Revolution. Herschel was professionally a musician!

[Vallin]

More reasons The Beatles started the Age of Aquarius for my benefit--
Feb. 21 1961 (my conception) Beatles debut at The Cavern
Oct. 28- Nov. 1 1961 Brian Epstien finds out "What about these Beatles?"
and sees them for the first time at Cavern. "My Bonnie" sold out 3 copies
in 3 days at his record shop. Read 'The Beatles' by Bob Spitz, available at
bargain $5.98 at Barnes & Noble or bn.com.

[Vallin]

Originally Posted by JerryRR

Hi Vallin,
Thanks for your reply.
John Lennon had an almost exact Ju/Sa conjunction in Taurus in his chart.

Dobin calls the conjunction on Feb 19 1961 at 0.03 at 25CAP12 the Magnificent Conjunction and the end of the Pisces Age,seems appropriate for Camelot.
I will see what else I can up come with.
Catch you later.
Jerry.

See today's entry about The Beatles at the Cavern Feb. 21 1961

[smilingsteph]

Originally Posted by Lapis

I also feel that these energies began manifesting with the physical discovery of Uranus in 1891. I do not believe however, that it's going to take a few hundred more years before all of humanity is fully functioning within the "new Age" energies and consciousness. We've got to take into consideration how time is increasingly compressed or seemingly speeding up. There's a lot going on now and even more to come between now and 2011 and 2012. We don't require (or have) 3 or 4 hundred years on the cusp of Ages. The transition into the Age Aquarius is profoundly fast this time around for numerous reasons. Just my opinion however. How fast has time been moving for you lately?

I agree!

The shift of consciousness in the 60's was due to a trend. The government was very autorcratic in a way; people still did not have the sense that they could and did have a voice in the democracy (which is still sort of a joke to me). In the 60's eyes were opening to the disaray around; however, the changes that took place during that time was just a stage to set up the perception to the newfound awareness of the ability of one person to an entire groups ability to to speak out and make changes. Civil rights and the anti-war movement was radical at the time, which now was very necessary to propel us to the next trend of upheaval; to eventually lend itself to the actual age of Aquarius.

Somehow I akin this to the law of thermodynamics:
Order before disorder
Entropy- greek for "turning toward" or "a turning" (to the age of aquarius)
We are heating up our atmosphere faster and faster, increasing entropy- ice caps melting due to global warming
Entropy has a forward effect, we had order, now we have disorder...disorder increases at a chaotic rate, therefore the forward action becomes faster and faster.
We are gestating within the age of aquarius, we are realizing that everything we do has an effect on mankind as a whole entity!
We are finally noticing that it is our action that is having a reaction universally around us.
In order for there to be a macrocosm of equality, brotherhood and social reform we need some eye-opening, life-altering, spiritual bonding before we can totally be in the age of aquarius.

[Vallin]

'Revolver', 'Pet Sounds', 'The Doors', 'Sgt. Pepper'...that's just 1966-1967 up to Monterey. The beginning of the full conjunction.

I was born Nov.21 1961 5:38a Wash. DC. PL and UR are just inside 10 deg's, but I have Mars 5Sag22 in my first house ("Burn Baby, Burn") squaring the midpoint. Mars also conj's my SKORP sun. ("I'm too hot ta' handle, now yesser-am!")

[Night Sky]

Here is a question... eh... maybe someone could give me a lesson on it... if you don't mind.

What's the "age of aquarius" meant to bring, what does it mean, why do people talk about it and what difference does it make... I see people acting and behaving the same as they've done through my history books... Now as they did in the 12th century, if not even more brutally, without compassion, without feeling, and a total disregard for both human and animal life... Some age of aquarius .

If it's true and the age of Pisces is over, I guess that the age of compassion and spiritual awareness is over too as these are the Pisces traits.

This is what the Age of Aquarius is about: Materialism (Saturn), Science and SOCIAL SCIENCE which has no conscience (Uranus) good examples of these are: Fascism, Marxism, Sociology, Psychology, destruction of the world's resourses (Sun in Aquarius = Detriment), too many people (Aquarius is a human)... who waters the earth... perhaps also, global warming WILL flood the world after all.



I know it's the precession of the equinoxes etc. etc. due to the Earth's wobble, and I've read some esoteric astrology which talks about it, but there doesn't seem to be any consensus on the matter... People seem to write whatever they feel like writing on it, but I suspect their motives and real reasons.


So here is my thought: The AGE OF AQUARIUS began with the discovery of Uranus... at this point in time the Earth's Inclination was in a WIDE orb which is why it only started things off. An 8degrees orb gives us a little bit of the energy associated... 3 degrees and it's rocking... 00 degrees and that's the main show....

My guess is that we're about 4 degrees away. But perhaps an Astronomer can give some real accuracy... I think I remember someone saying that the actual astronomical time of this so called SHIFT is in the mid 2600 AD.

Either way, I think the Age of Pisces was probably better and I'm seriously thinking of boycotting the age of aquarius. I just don't feel it.

[Vallin]

Originally Posted by JerryRR

The Musical 'Hair' opened off Broadway on Oct 29th 1967.
'This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius'

Vallin did you know Liverpool is a Scorpio City?
Great City lovely people.

Have you tried relocating your chart to Liverpool,53n25 3w00? Just an idea.

In Jan 62 the Beatles were rejected by the recording company Decca,their EXPERTS believed that they would never make it to the music charts.Whoops!!!

Jerry.

Yeah (yeah yeah) I know Liverpool is Skorp town. So is Wash. DC where I wuz bawn...early, lawd, one frosty morn. So is N'waw-linz where "Tutti Frutti" and "Girl Cain't Hep-it" were recorded. Oh yeah...Dick Rowe of Decca. When Andrew Loog Oldham brought him the demo of the Stones, he took one puff off his cig' and signed them on the spot. Also Da' 'OO [Who] and The Moody Blues...so as not to be fooled again.

I love England; I'd love to stay there in the summer, but I just moved to Atlanta after FREEZING for 12 years in NYC. I can't do cold, no matter how Romantic. There's another member here--charmvirgo--who lives 15 minutes from ABBEY ROAD, and has lived there all her life. I run 6 days a week: Could you "imagine" passing THAT intersection every day. Genuflect baby!

[Vallin]

I'm getting a bit bored with Age of Pisces, really. I think Age of Aquarius might be very Atlas Shrugged,...or Anthem. Ayn Rand was an Aquarian. I think she was a Skorp risisng...and we're always right !!

[smilingsteph]

I guess I dont get this thread....
I am 29, maybe that is why...
Do you all have any current information as to why you think that we are in the age of aquarius, rather than using Ringo and the Beatles as hard evidence?

[smilingsteph]

I only ask as my mother, during one of our talks gave the same evidence you all did!

[Night Sky]

Originally Posted by smilingsteph

I guess I dont get this thread....
I am 29, maybe that is why...
Do you all have any current information as to why you think that we are in the age of aquarius, rather than using Ringo and the Beatles as hard evidence?

Hi Smiling Steph,

I too am baffled as to what the Beatles have to do with it. The sixties, if anything was a mini Age of Virgo.

The Aquarian themes, I mentioned in that last post when I joined this thread, which are simply observations of some Aquarian themes which began circa the discovery of Uranus in the 18th Century... Science, rationalism, - all emotionally detached modes of thinking and ideologies. Along with politically fixed governments (as Aquarius is fixed...) and rule by "the people" whether this be democracy or communism... Both are Aquarian ideologies.

The Beatles was a product of the Uranus-Pluto conjunction which produces "crazes" Beatles (small insects are Virgoan.)

[Vallin]

I like your thread. Relative to revolutionary Pluto-in-Cap ('da BIG Kahuna) I realize that the '60's were a mini-revolution: really more talk than action. Does anyone have info on Pluto-in-Virgo in the early 1700's? Rousseau and David Hume were born then, but I think Casanova has Pluto in Libra.

"Little insects" ("beetles") hmmm...I like it. Remember the Volkswagon and economy compact cars first appeared in the '60': products aimed at the youth market.

Trends now are so (ZZ-zzzzzz) obvious...the internet,...green (yeah, yeah, yeah). I WOULD suggest specifically Yahoo!, Google, Wiki because they have so personalized the era (like '360' the yahoo blog)

[freedomlover]

I'm of the opinion that Dec 21, 2012 is instrumental in ushering in the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Aquarius is about the attainment of the Aquarian consciousness, not necessarily the abundance of planets in Aquarius. (although I do think 2009, with stelliums in Aquarius will be a good "push" towards that state of consciousness) I see us for the last several decades - maybe century or so, being at the "29th degree" of the Pisces Age. We can "feel it coming", but we're not.. quite... there... yet.


To: NightSky

Here is a question... eh... maybe someone could give me a lesson on it... if you don't mind.

What's the "age of aquarius" meant to bring, what does it mean, why do people talk about it and what difference does it make... I see people acting and behaving the same as they've done through my history books... Now as they did in the 12th century, if not even more brutally, without compassion, without feeling, and a total disregard for both human and animal life... Some age of aquarius .

If it's true and the age of Pisces is over, I guess that the age of compassion and spiritual awareness is over too as these are the Pisces traits.

This is what the Age of Aquarius is about: Materialism (Saturn), Science and SOCIAL SCIENCE which has no conscience (Uranus) good examples of these are: Fascism, Marxism, Sociology, Psychology, destruction of the world's resourses (Sun in Aquarius = Detriment), too many people (Aquarius is a human)... who waters the earth... perhaps also, global warming WILL flood the world after all.

True - this is a good description of the downside of Aquarius. Hopefully, mankind will take advantage of being at the "29th degree" of Pisces, and see the "criticalness" of developing compassion - and so "slip in, under the wire", so to speak. There is still a little time to do so. Then Aquarius the Waterbearer (humanity) will have some water (love and compassion) to pour out and water the Earth with.

Also, if you will notice, a big reason that you've described the current probability of the Aquarian Age - consider why. Aquarius rules individuality (part of the group, but yet very much an unique individual)- being the person you were created to be - not a worker/drone for the system of materialism - which is at the root of the society you describe. The "dark side" therefore, of Aquarius - is being part of the group, and losing your sense of individuality - just "one of the masses".


The over-emphasis and dependence on technology (also very much an Aquarian theme) has the tendency to make one un-grounded/less in-tune with nature. I'm also a big believer that psychic/spiritual gifts will have to replace quite a bit of the dependence on technology as the Aquarian Age progresses, as mankind recovers their true Selves. (Hopefully.)
FL

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

Also, if you will notice, a big reason that you've described the current probability of the Aquarian Age - consider why. Aquarius rules individuality (part of the group, but yet very much an unique individual)- being the person you were created to be - not a worker/drone for the system of materialism - which is at the root of the society you describe. The "dark side" therefore, of Aquarius - is being part of the group, and losing your sense of individuality - just "one of the masses".


The over-emphasis and dependence on technology (also very much an Aquarian theme) has the tendency to make one un-grounded/less in-tune with nature. I'm also a big believer that psychic/spiritual gifts will have to replace quite a bit of the dependence on technology as the Aquarian Age progresses, as mankind recovers their true Selves. (Hopefully.)
FL

I hate to be the miser (I'm a Capricorn phase), but I do kind of agree with Night Sky. I mean, we're actually going down a notch on the evolutionary scale, from universal love, and compassion, from a state of being with the divine, backwards to a world only of man. Now if we bawlsed Pisces up BIG TIME (the dark ages, and even the phrase 'world war' is good proof) then I'm not sure if we'll really do any better with a sign which in theory is one step back.

Think about it. The world will become more sterile, less sensuous, less passionate. Food will taste less good! Aquarius will be the age of science and technology with all the pros and cons that that might bring. A place where there is so much knowledge there is no room for myth, and for imagination. Where 1000000000 people are blogging from their bedrooms, and there is debate everywhere, but no one engages other people, because that is what Pisces was supposed to be about. A place where everything is man-made and there are no more wildernesses, or a place where the world is overly neurotic because life moves too fast, and people discuss issues so much they forget where they started from.

But I guess it doesn't have to be like that. Could be the good side- friendship Maybe we don't need love, and passion or even... divinity, if we have genuine friendship. For what it's worth, I think the passing of ages has a large transition period. If Obama gets more than a month for 4 years of USA leadership, then we'll need a pretty hefty transitional period for this. So maybe 1781 was a key turning point. When the students were ready, the teacher came.

I quoted Freedom Lover as I'm not so sure that individuality is Aquarius. I've always thought that to be a part of Leo. I think Aquarius is something of the communist. And I am ambiguous about communism, and rather romantic about it. What a dream- the ideal of citizenship, of universal fraternity, common ownership, everyone gives what they can, and takes what they need! I have been in post-communist Europe and China, and there is a peacefulness there, people are gentle (maybe because of terror but I didn't think that.) And they were happy. And coming back to the West I was intimidated by bright lights, loud sounds and big, hefty, intimidating and unfriendly people all trying to be different from each other. In China people would put themselves out so much to help their community, and on trains people would sit all over you because of lack of space, and would let their children play with you. Where I live, if you don't sit on the opposite side of the train if there's space, people assume you are going to mug them.

So I think the worker drone is an ideal, and the upside of Aquarius. The idea of public service, that so pure and removed from the status orientated and materialistic nature of Capricorn. And Aquarius is the first sign to bring up that desire to merge into the group to lose individual identity for a better cause. Pisces expands on this. And instead of materialism, think instead of that which we can't live without- we all need clothes and food. It is us, or the Leo that insists on a more consumption based attitude. Aquarius might teach us the real value of friendship and of materials, of citizenship and of universal brotherhood, even if this is at the cost of any subjective and individual 'love'. The homosexuality thread had ModCleo talking about vomiting and crying or something gross because she felt she was being pryed apart like an animal. That is Aquarius freezing off it's Leo wart. But I think we can reach a happy medium, where we accept our place amongst animals but strive for something better, because we know we have the potential.

So maybe the Age of Aquarius is the opium of the astrologers. But that is better than at my local, where alcohol is the opium of my neighbours. And it is certainly better than my grandfather, who's opium was...well...opium. And maybe if we endeavour enough, the illusion that the Age of Aquarius is unobtainable just might turn out to be the final trick up Neptune's sleeve.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I'm not a big fan of these astrological ages, perhaps for the very ideas that have been expressed here as to some sort of mystical energy about them. I'm not saying they don't have their place in history, because it's obvious that they do, and I think that's pretty much all they are. Turning points in history. But, I think this is one thing that is best left to astronomers to calculate. I agree with Blueheron saying there isn't going to be a specific date in time, but at this point astronomers are guessing the switch from Pisces to Aquarius won't happen until around 2600. We've still got quite a ways to go, so I don't think we need to be in a rush.

"It is probable that there is no branch of Astrology upon which more nonsense has been poured forth than the doctrine of the precession of the equinoxes'" -Charles Carter (whom I don't quote often)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I don't mean to double post, but I did want to share these little thoughts.

I mentioned that the astrological ages express turning points in history, so I thought I'd share a short little list of what we're up to so far.

Leo and Cancer are a bit difficult, I'd say, but I think the best ideas would be the end of that ice age so many thousand years ago. The heating of the earth and the melting of the ice connect okay I guess. As far as Cancer, I believe back in this time was when the domestication of animals came into play, as well as a sort of end to nomadic life where many civilizations began to sit down and grow roots.

In Gemini, we had the first records of written language. That's a very huge turning point in history. In Taurus, agriculture sprang up. Aries, oh, you know, war and the utilization of heavy metals for weaponry and construction. I think Pisces is interesting because it's the only time in history when a religious body has held such power over the world. The Catholic church was the be-all-end-all as far as power went in the dark ages.

The only thing I could really see happening today that may correlate to the Age of Aquarius is the church losing it's power. Now, obviously this isn't something that's really new to the world, but it's still got a heavy hold in the minds of the people. So much so that people all around the world (most sadly in the US) are still using religion and the church as a platform to deny the equal rights of other people.

So, if the Age of Aquarius has me kissing the religious-right goodbye, then so be it.

[RayAustin]

Yes.. I can tell we aren't into the Age of Aquarius just because of the strong hold religion has on people still. But slowly I've noticed more people getting secular and secular, still believing in God but not going to church, developing their own beliefs.

I believe we're really just at the beginning stage. But I also believe it's why we're seeing so many openly gay people now, or bisexual people, when this used to be a taboo in 1950's. Now look at the openly gay actors or bisexual famous people that feel it's okay to be 'out of the closet'. In fifty years, I really believe being 'gay' won't be thought of much socially. Anyway, bisexuality or homosexuality kind of rings with Aquarius.

I wonder what astrologically has happened over the past hundred years that we have radically sped up so much. It's almost as if we're not just moving into the age of Aquarius, we're running, jumping right into it. I know part of this has to do with Earth's vibration speeding up, where the 24 hour day is now (at least when I last heard this), really 16 hours.