Neptune/Sun/Saturn transits--PLEASE HELP!

[sylvia]

i feel lately like i'm trapped in a room with no windows or doors and no way to get out. my deadline for a creative project is for may 1, and i don't know how i am going to make it. i feel scared and claustraphobic and suffocated.

here's my birth data: 8 feb 1956 11:38 pm new york, ny

what are the current indicators in my chart, and how should i handle the planetary energies? i am afraid this is going to be the end of my career.

i am feeling quite desperate some days and the challenges seem like more than i can handle.

i am really trying hard to be disciplined and put one foot in front of the other and get the job done, but sometimes i am just overwhelmed by depresion and feel stuck.

any insights you can offer much appreciated. thank you!!

sylvia

[wilsontc]

sylvia,

In your birth chart you have a kite focused on Capricorn (duty, also career, structure) modifying Mercury (thinking) focused in the 3rd house (thinking) conjunct (energy is combined with) Moon (home, also emotions). You also have a T-square focused on Scorpio (tranformation, also power, control) modifying Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) focused in 12th house (spirituality, also confusion) conjunct Ascendant (self). The kite is made up most of easy energies (sextiles and trines) while the T-square is made up of challenging energies (squares and oppositions). You may have decided in you life to use the "easy" energy flow more than the "challenging" energy flow. So you may tend to focus more on "thinking" than on issues of "confusion".

Now, as you point out, because of your transits (planets moving in the sky), things are different. Now the "easy" kite energy has transiting Saturn (duty, also restriction) connecting in with it. Now your Sun (self-expression) has transiting Neptune conjuncting it. So now the issues of "challenge" and "confusion" are coming out strongly in transits, partly because they were not faced in your birth chart situation.

This is OK, it just means that you now have to face up to the "confusion" about yourself: who you are, what you can do, where you are going in life, etc. That "confusion" has always been there, but you might have "put it away" to deal with later, while you thought about your career. However, that powerful confusion is ALSO what enables you to create things that others are interested in. Neptune dissolves whatever it is next to, so with Neptune next to your Ascendant, YOU are dissolved until you become those around you and those around you become you.

The advantage of this is, understanding so well those around you, you are able to create and build things which please THEM as well as yourself, since when you do something for yourself at the same time you are doing something for everyone around you as well. All this transit is telling you is that it is time to embrace that confusion and use it. Stop trying to "control" the "confusion, but instead use it as a creative power to help you connect in with the design needs and interests of those around you. Your ability to do this is strong at this time...if you can put aside the need to feel "in control" and develop even more the ability to be creatively confused.

Confusedly,

Tim

[sylvia]

hi, tim,
thanks so much for taking the time to look at my chart and make such a detailed reply.

also, i took a look at your website and think it is pretty neat that you are educating people about chart interpretation.

you are right that in the past i have depended on intellect and the rational mind for my main modus operandii in life. however, that dependence was pretty well wiped out a few years ago when neptune was sitting directly on my third house mercury. it was a time of great illumination, and my brain hasn't been the same ever since! i'm afraid i'm in a permanent mental fog now, so i've had lots of experience working from the place of "confusion" as you put it.

that time was actually very powerful and inspiring. this does not feel like that at all.
at that time i felt i was learning to trust my intuition and the unseen and to do my creative work from that place, rather than the rational mind. in fact, my current project was inspired from that time of illumination and has many neptunian themes.

so, i feel i have learned the chaos lesson. this transit is different. it feels more like being crushed to death. maybe there is another aspect happening in the chart by transit or progression that i'm not taking into account? perhaps it is health related? what planets/influences rule "change of life" and hormonal issues?

i also don't understand what you say about the saturn contact with my kite creating difficulties, as it is connecting to a point of the grand trine, and i was born with saturn on one of the points of the grand trine.

how would transiting neptune conjunct the sun in the fourth, in my chart, be a different experience than tr. neptune conjunct mercury in the third? the latter illuminated my mind. wouldn't this one illuminate my soul? both are near the IC, so thinking this is all manifesting internally.

there must be something more going on .....

This is OK, it just means that you now have to face up to the "confusion" about yourself: who you are, what you can do, where you are going in life, etc. That "confusion" has always been there, but you might have "put it away" to deal with later, while you thought about your career.

haven't been confused about this for many years. first saturn return dealt with that issue. you are right on about the natal conditions, but things have changed since then!

however, i do have times of uncertainty that this project is the right one for me to be doing for this time. it does help a lot to see this analysis of yours, because i do want my work to be of service to others:

The advantage of this is, understanding so well those around you, you are able to create and build things which please THEM as well as yourself, since when you do something for yourself at the same time you are doing something for everyone around you as well.

All this transit is telling you is that it is time to embrace that confusion and use it. Stop trying to "control" the "confusion, but instead use it as a creative power to help you connect in with the design needs and interests of those around you. Your ability to do this is strong at this time...if you can put aside the need to feel "in control" and develop even more the ability to be creatively confused.

i'm trying! this was how i understood the transit, too! but it is very tough when there is a deadline bearing down on me and i am forced to be disciplined, and yet feel utterly paralyzed.

any further insights you or anyone else has to offer would be greatly appreciated!!!

sylvia

[Arian Maverick]

here's my birth data: 8 feb 1956 11:38 pm new york, ny

Sylvia- Here's your natal chart



Aquarian Maverick

P.S. I also see that you have an almost perfect yod configuration with your third house Mercury in Capricorn sextile your fifth house Venus in Pisces, both inconjunct your extremely tight Jupiter/Pluto conjunction in your tenth house in Leo...I think you have a fascinating chart, by the way

[sylvia]

aquarian maverick,
thanks so much for posting my chart! that was a great kindness to a newbie as i don't know if i could have figured out how to do that myself.

as you noted, i have a perfect YOD at 27 cap/pisces/leo in the third/fifth/tenth houses involving mercury, venus, and an exact conjuction of pluto/jupiter.

27 degrees appears to be a major theme in my chart, so much so that i got interested in the sabian symbols and how they apply.

i have been wondering/suspecting if the unpredictable energies of the yod have anything to do with what i am going through now. EVERYTHING right now is about tenth and ninth house issues (i'm writing a book under contract).

thanks for your comments on my chart. any ideas for me?

sylvia

[Arian Maverick]

aquarian maverick,
thanks so much for posting my chart! that was a great kindness to a newbie as i don't know if i could have figured out how to do that myself.

No problem...I consider this my job of sorts on the forum, and my Virgo South Node delights in detail work.

By the way, I believe Draco posted instructions for uploading natal charts somewhere on these forums...it might have even been in your thread on the Introductory Board. I'll have to check because I can't even keep my own posts straight anymore :roll:

Aquarian Maverick

[wilsontc]

Sylvia,

You asked:

...this transit is different. it feels more like being crushed to death...
i also don't understand what you say about the saturn contact with my kite creating difficulties, as it is connecting to a point of the grand trine, and i was born with saturn on one of the points of the grand trine.
how would transiting neptune conjunct the sun in the fourth, in my chart, be a different experience than tr. neptune conjunct mercury in the third? the latter illuminated my mind. wouldn't this one illuminate my soul? both are near the IC, so thinking this is all manifesting internally...
i am really trying hard to be disciplined and put one foot in front of the other and get the job done...

First I want to say the obvious...these are only my opinions about YOUR energy. You, as the OWNER of this energy, are in a MUCH better position to understand what it is and where it is leading you. That said:

Since you have dealt with the "confusion" issues mentioned early, let's look at your chart in a slightly different way.

Transits (movements of planets in the sky) which feel "restricting" in some way usually have to do with Saturn in some way. In this case, transiting Saturn (duty, also restriction, structure, career) is conjuncting (energy is combined with) your birth Uranus (friends, also innovation). This transit of Saturn is also opposing (energy is over-excited by) your birth Mercury (thinking) focused in the 3rd house (thinking). So two things are happening: innovation is being restricted and thinking is being restricted. These are entirely new energies to you and so are felt as challenges. However, the "restriction" is also Saturn's attempt to impose a structure on your innovations and your thinking. While this may seem "restrictive" it can also help to direct and focus your over-excited (opposition), innovative (birth Uranus) thinking (birth Mercury). You have managed to handle "confusion" (Neptune conjunction to Mercury)...this next lesson is about how to make your thinking more "structured" (Saturn opposite Mercury). This is how a transit can turn an "easy" Kite into a personal challenge.

Transiting Neptune moves VERY slowly, so when it conjuncts a planet, it lasts a LONG time. The previous transiting Neptune connection to your birth Mercury (thinking) was about handling confused thinking. This current transiting Neptune connection to your birth Sun (self-expression) is about handling confusion in how you express yourself. It is very easy to look back on a Neptune transit and simply see the RESULT but, most likely, it took a LONG time to handle the "thinking confusion". Similarly, it may take a LONG time to handle the "self-expression" confusion.

In this confusing time, it may be useful to use your Saturn restrictions as an indication of your personal boundaries, so you do not "lose yourself" too much in Neptunian energy. As you correctly say, this is an "inner issue" with self-expression...which may be useful to keep some perspective about your situation. Your challenge is an INNER challenge (transit to the lower part of your chart) of self-development expressed by an OUTER challenge (transit to the upper part of your chart) of job performance (Saturn).

As you said it best "...be disciplined and put one foot in front of the other and get the job done..." That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know (at this time)!

Putting one foot in front of the other,

Tim

[sylvia]

As you said it best "...be disciplined and put one foot in front of the other and get the job done..." That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know (at this time)!

ARGGHHH!!

there, that felt better!

i guess my very neptunian reaction is "somebody shoot me!" or at least pass me a drink! lol.

ah, i will get through this.

thanks so much for sharing your expertise with me, tim. i'll keep putting one foot before the other, as you say, even if most of them lately seem to be stumbles!

sylvia

[Frisiangal]

May I add 2 cents of comment?

I'd be inclined to think that you are one who can't live within the confines of pressure placed upon you because you are responsible enough to work without it. It could be why you feel you're suffocated in a room, which is more or less the equivalent of, and acts the same as a mental blockage. Have you ever noticed that creative art set to a dead-line is never so spontaneously inspirational, original or as good as just letting the inspiration flow of its own accord without a clock ticking away? You could be thinking all the time about how long you've got to finish your project as a result of pressure from outside, rather than not letting it bother you and just letting your talent flow.
With Neptune conjunct your Sun, it's simply a question of having faith in yourself, rather than letting yourself feel you'll be letting other people down if you fail them in the faith they place in you. Why should you fail? You're in a capsule of time when the gift of spiritual inspiration in you is at its maximum. It will never be as strong as now, so trust the instincts you were born with and just let your creative intuition and imagination loose to do its job. Let Saturn in Leo, your self discipline, be working FOR and IN you, so that you can produce something of which you can be rightfully proud. Don't bother about outer success or achievement but just what you are able to create. If you have faith in your abilities, that is your success and achievement and it could taste a whole lot sweeter.

Let go of your fears and you'll do fine. Good luck.

F.

[sylvia]

frisiangal~

i have read what you wrote over and over again. i've copied it to a file to print out and post over my desk. i'm clinging to your words as if to a life raft. thank you so very much! your words are a beautiful gift and i am very grateful.

do you know these things from looking at my chart, or are you a writer or other sort of creative person also and so just understand the territory?

you've nailed the crux of my problem: having faith in myself. that was royally undermined in my childhood and so you are absolutely right that achieving that faith is achievement enough! i do think at its core that is what this lesson is about. problem is, i don't know how to manufacture that out of thin air. i've tried affirmations, remembering the words of important people in my life who affirmed my talent, but i always seem to skid backwards into self-doubt.

and you are so right about already possessing the necessary self-discipline (my natal saturn) that additional outside pressure from my editor (transiting saturn on my MC) is just too much.

how do i let go and disregard the ticking clock? it seems it would take an overwhelming struggle mentally, a great mental trick. i've already told my editor he has to leave me alone (i did it nicely), but the reality of the publishing business is that the accountants run things and you don't have the neptunian luxury of dreaming away in creative reverie.

this morning i came up with a metaphor for a creative process under these transits: the creative energy is a stream flowing through a ravine or a box canyon. despite the very tight strictures on it, it continues to flow over every obstacle to its destination.

you are right, the work will not be all it should be if it is done against a ticking clock. and then i run the risk that it will be rejected because it isn't what it should be. so it seems like i have no choice but to let the deadline disappear (somehow!?!) from my mind, and then turn in on may 1 whatever it is i have to turn in. at least if it is good, they probably won't cancel the contract.

and if they do cancel the contract, for whatever reason, i guess then i am free to write without a deadline!

because i have to to then pay back the advance that was spent a long time ago. but maybe it would be a better book in the end.

thanks again.

sylvia

[Teddybull]

Hello Sylvia,
I felt compelled to write on this subject since I just experienced this transit. I have 16 degree Aquarius as my sun.

Please read the whole message before you make judgement. I was pretty contently married (living like a zombie with material pleasures) before the transit, owned my dream home and had a pretty secure living, as a whole.

About 2 years before this transit, I became involved with a fellowship that teaches meditation. I started building my foundation of spirituality slowly. Opening new areas of growth that I thought could never happen or existed.

At the time of the transit, unbeknown to me (in matter of fact exact month of first direct hit), my husband wanted out. Within this time frame (a little before too) he never came home, frequented local bars, made undesirable, shady friends. I had no control of the situation after 15 years of marriage. I moved out of my dream home, left my husband, got a promotion and moved my parents all within the first hit of the transit.

It was a lot to handle. I look behind me since it was a year ago and wonder how I did it...... I know how. It was the built up of my faith that made me survive. As I look behind me, I was living a spiritually dead life. I was settling for a relationship with no real depth or meaning.

I have changed since the transit. I have enormous faith in my future and I see subtle changes in my consciousness. I know I am moving forward but it took about a drastic event to change me.

So, my feeling is to start searching on developing your spiritual consciousness. As an Aquarian, awaken (!) that dormant side that is just waiting to unfold. You will change with this transit...... But word of caution is watch for deception from men..... Keep us posted. TB

[Frisiangal]

Originally Posted by sylvia

frisiangal~

do you know these things from looking at my chart, or are you a writer or other sort of creative person also and so just understand the territory?

and you are so right about already possessing the necessary self-discipline (my natal saturn) that additional outside pressure from my editor (transiting saturn on my MC) is just too much.

how do i let go and disregard the ticking clock? it seems it would take an overwhelming struggle mentally, a great mental trick. i've already told my editor he has to leave me alone (i did it nicely), but the reality of the publishing business is that the accountants run things and you don't have the neptunian luxury of dreaming away in creative reverie.

I just looked at the gifts you have in your chart, Sylvia.
A disciplined Moon in Capricorn, and Mercury in the 3rd house of mental application, writing ability etc.. Pisces on the 5th house cusp of creative ability, with its ruler now conjunct your Sun, and Neptune in the 12th house; masses and masses of fantasy just waiting to be let out.
I always describe the 12th house as the cupboard under the stairs and planets in it as properties lying there. It's where you throw those things you posses because you never know when you may have need of them! Some is just a load of out of date junk that is better released, but most is something we've found to which we're inclined to say, "THERE it is; I just knew it was here somewhere." That's your Neptune. It is in its natural house, so it's not there without reason. It cannot work against you because it is the planet that brings the clarity of truth by showing where deception, (des)illusion, confusion lie. YOUR self deception is believing you don't have it in you, whereas the truth Neptune is showing you is that you do. So does your publisher, otherwise you wouldn't have got an advance fee!!

How do you disregard the ticking clock? Take the phone off the hook, turn the mobile off, and stop the clock! Don't let distraction distract your thoughts.

Just a few ideas.

F.

[sylvia]

tb,
thank you for taking the time to share your experience with the neptune/sun transit. i hope you continue to thrive in your new life.

sylvia

[sylvia]

Fr.gal~

Thanks again for elucidating what you perceive in my chart. This does seem to be a blind spot that I have--perceiving and believing in my own gifts.

masses and masses of fantasy just waiting to be let out.

OMG!! you cannot know how true this is. i think some of my pain is that i felt called to write a fantasy novel and was well into it when i decided it was much more practical to write nonfiction first, because i can sell the proposal before i write it. (one cannot do that with fiction). but i feel called all the time to be working on the fiction book, which is entirely arisen from inner vision. instead i am writing fact, lots of research. some flights of fancy, but very much grounded in fact.

i know i will get to the fantasy that is calling me soon. i just have to get the "practical" book done first.

I always describe the 12th house as the cupboard under the stairs and planets in it as properties lying there. It's where you throw those things you posses because you never know when you may have need of them! Some is just a load of out of date junk that is better released, but most is something we've found to which we're inclined to say, "THERE it is; I just knew it was here somewhere." That's your Neptune.

i think that really describes the (temporarily) abandoned fantasy novel. i began writing it when i was six, and i "rediscovered" it, sort of as you describe, out of seemingly nowhere a few years ago. the cupboard under the stairs very much indeed!

YOUR self deception is believing you don't have it in you, whereas the truth Neptune is showing you is that you do. So does your publisher, otherwise you wouldn't have got an advance fee!!

How do you disregard the ticking clock? Take the phone off the hook, turn the mobile off, and stop the clock! Don't let distraction distract your thoughts.

thank you again for the gift of your words. i will be printing them out again! this is so very practical and reassuring. in fact, beginning tomorrow i am disconnecting myself from the internet and only checking my email once a day before bed. i'll have my husband hide the dsl cord so i can't find it. the phone has already been shut off for a few months.

of course, when i do check email, i will see if any further posts have been made here. thank you, f, and everyone who answered as well.

sylvia

[C Jayne]

Originally Posted by sylvia

Fr.gal~

... disregard the ticking clock?

Dear Sylvia,

Here are several little pieces of advice. At present they may be too time consuming to be useful, but at least consider them in your long-range plan:

1. Do (or have someone do) your Progressed Chart. Looking at your transiting chart only gives you half the story.

2. Accept your crisis as a crisis of spirit, not circumstance. Here you are, you've just turned 50 -- hey! That's scary! I know about that!

a. In the first place, I've been told by people who seem to know, that publishers do not actually ask for the money back. I could have been told wrong -- every publisher is probably different -- but that's the word I got. So one solution is -- stop worrying about that one. (they can't get blood out of a stone anyway.)

b. For your own spiritual comfort, I think you have to let yourself sink to the depths and come back up a better person. What if what if what if -- hey! Let yourself explore that "what if." It could be worse -- what if you lived in New Orleans? what if you'd been in the Twin Towers? You will survive whatever happens. You will survive.

3. Chinese Traditional Medicine (real Paul Pitchford) talks about coldness, among other things. I know this one because I have it -- coldness. Put fire in the belly by eating foods that increase the heat you have in your intestines. Think it's crazy? Try doing something scary without a warm tummy! So, eat right. Feed yourself as if you were a sick person who needed a pat on the head and a hug. It will help you find courage.

-- C Jayne

[Arian Maverick]

I have created and uploaded your progressed chart, Slyvia...I hope this will help you understand and cope with your current unrest

For now, I will attempt a crude interpretation using Kite's Sabian Helpers...I have found that they often provide valuable insight into a situation.

This is the Sabian symbol for the polar point of your progressed T-square (apex Pluto):

AQUARIUS__22__THE SPAN OF PERSPECTIVE

327__(27°)
AMID RARE BOOKS, AN OLD POTTERY BOWL HOLDS FRESH VIOLETS Reality of spiritual or esthetic values, linking generations of seekers for the highest. Addition or commitment to value.
___*When positive, the degree is a high realization of values and a real gift for using them, and when negative, a loss of self in conventionality and its meaningless trappings.

This is the Sabian symbol for the polar point of your other progressed T-square (apex Jupiter):

AQUARIUS__22__THE SPAN OF PERSPECTIVE

322__(22°)
CHILDREN REVEL UPON A SOFT NEW CARPET IN THEIR NURSERY Life's warmth and richness given to those who eagerly learn to live. Luxurious self-knowing, or self-appreciation. Comfort.
___*When positive, the degree is unusual capacity for the exploitation of immediate resources and the deepening of every potential of selfhood, and when negative, carefree self-indulgence and meaningless luxury.

I see that you also have a Kite configuration focused on your progressed Nadir, closely conjuncted your progressed Mercury. The polar point of this would be your progressed Midheaven at 4 degrees Libra.

LIBRA__13__THE SPAN OF EXPECTATION

184__(4°)
PILGRIMS GATHER AROUND CAMP-FIRE, IN SILENT COMMUNION Fellowship of higher ideals that sustains the individuals on their arduous path to Reality. Mellow participation in life.
___*When positive, the degree is special skill in building an everyday morale and in sustaining an effective structure for further and greater objectives in life, and when negative, a lazing away of opportunity and an idle dependence on others.

Rest assured that you have the complete support of this community :mrgreen:

Aquarian Maverick

[Kite]

Hi Sylvia - the most apparant aspect to me is that your progressed moon just entered the 12th house. Lucky for you mine just left this week after 2 and 1/2 years whiling away there.

Feeling of restriction - yeah, boxed in - yeah - emotions creating a panicky feeling - uh huh. The moon ruling your 8th house of money owed (advanced) might have something to do with feelings.

Now the good news. You can really get in touch with the emotions hidden in the cupboard under the stairs! Those pesky feelings that we swat away and stash somewhere else. Time to bring them in by acknowleging them and allowing them to exist.

Once these feelings are experienced, they can be transmuted (scorpio). I think the restriction will be there for the next several months as you go through the layers of feelings - especially as the moon approaches Saturn in the 12 but in Sag instead of Scorpio. You may have some religious beliefs to look at or your worldview as you experience it emotionally in deeper recesses of your being.

As these feelings are experienced and integrated you will find yourself lightening up and channeling your writing a lot better. It might help to journal some on the feelings then your project and go back and forth as needed..writing down your fears and anxieties. I did some of my best work writing for a Kabbalah class during this progression so I know it can be done.

Kite

[C Jayne]

Sylvia,

AqMav's wonderful charts -- the natal one and the progressed one -- together show some very interesting stuff! Yes, like Kite said, you've got that 12th house Progressed Moon -- confusion -- only you also have Saturn in your path, and your Progressed Moon is stumbling over it twice (the Natal one and the Progressed one, probably a month apart in calendar time), so you're feeling frustration. And if your Progressed Moon has passed into Sagittarius (sorry -- I didn't cast this chart so I don't know your Perpetual Noondate), then you are ready to go -- impatient to be free and have fun, plus frustrated because of Saturn and lost or confused because of the 12th house stuff.

Do you meditate? Are you able to talk yourself through this? Can you accept that right now you're supposed to feel exactly the way you do feel, and so, there must be order in the Universe? You really are on track. If your planets looked like this and you were something other than confused, frustated and impatient, then you would be kind of messed up.

The best news is, it will get better! You are going to have the time of your life when your Progressed Moon passes your Ascendant! With all that Sagittarius energy, you're going to feel great!

So if your story has a happy ending (noted, above), stop worrying about the middle of the story! Obviously it's supposed to be that way!

Did that help?

-- C Jayne

[sylvia]

dear c jayne~

thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. i like your advice. i'm also a devotee of paul pitchford's "healing with whole foods." i asked my TCM doctor about your suggestion. she says i am yin deficient and beginning menopause, and prescribed some herbs and minerals. but i did go ahead with your suggestion anyway and had some thai food last night. that did feel good.

Feed yourself as if you were a sick person who needed a pat on the head and a hug. It will help you find courage.

i get this advice a lot from my TCM practitioner. is this your line of work perhaps?

i will take a look at my progressed chart.

um, about paying back advances to publishers.... you are sort of correct. you do have to pay them back, but usually it's dealt with by the agent reselling the book to some other publisher, and then you use the second advance to pay back the first one.

i've decided to tell my agent that i'm unlikely to be finished by the deadline and see what he suggests. but recognizing that there is absolutely nothing i can do about this, that i can't make things go any faster or better than they are, is my way of giving myself permission to stop stressing about it. the stress is totally non-productive and just makes things worse and it *is* a choice.

maybe i'll even get to return to normal life one of these days!

[sylvia]

aquarian maverick,
thanks again for your help! i had no idea all that was going on in my progressed chart. it does present quite a fuller picture, doesn't it?

and thanks for the sabian symbols. i'm not sure why you chose those particular points--care to elaborate?

your support is deeply appreciated!

sylvia

[sylvia]

kite,

many thanks for your insight and interpretation. it explains a lot. i think i am already quite good at being with the stuff under the stairs, so i'm hopeful that if processing and exposing those things is key, i'm on solid ground. i know how to do that.

you wrote:

It might help to journal some on the feelings then your project and go back and forth as needed..writing down your fears and anxieties. I did some of my best work writing for a Kabbalah class during this progression so I know it can be done.

yes! this is what i have begun doing. i have a dialogue with myself on paper to find out what is needed, what is there to be present for. not only does it help me process that stuff, but i get powerful inspirations coming to me with this method that i can then bring to the writing. ways of sorting out how to do the work.

writing for a Kabbalah class while one's progressed moon is in the 12th house sounds perfect!

part of my doubt during this time has been that perhaps i chose the wrong project to work on for the time. i did it to be practical, but now i wonder if it is blowing up in my face. i wonder if i will have to give it up, because it is simply not where i am being led at this time. i hope the confusion will lift soon, so i can tell whether and when it is time to give up and head in a different direction.

thanks again for sharing your insight with me.

sylvia[/quote]

[sylvia]

dear c jayne, yes your interpretation makes sense, and describes how i am feeling.

you asked:

Do you meditate? Are you able to talk yourself through this? Can you accept that right now you're supposed to feel exactly the way you do feel, and so, there must be order in the Universe? You really are on track. If your planets looked like this and you were something other than confused, frustated and impatient, then you would be kind of messed up.

lol. well, that's putting a positive spin on things. yes, i am a meditator and have a regular practice that i feel is my lifeline even in ordinary times. "talk myself through this" ? well, i am trying. i really am. it is hard work and takes a lot of consciousness and skill. sometimes i get tired and want to give up.

i suppose it is like an enlightened friend of mine always says; no matter what one's life is like, it is already perfect. perfectly imperfect. and i do believe in an order in the universe. or perhaps, more precisely, i believe we order the universe through the lens we choose to look at life through.

The best news is, it will get better! You are going to have the time of your life when your Progressed Moon passes your Ascendant! With all that Sagittarius energy, you're going to feel great!

WHEN does that happen?! i'm not on my own computer and have to wrap this up. i will have to take a look when i get back to my own computer and see when that is. i hope soooon!!

So if your story has a happy ending (noted, above), stop worrying about the middle of the story! Obviously it's supposed to be that way!

Did that help?

-- C Jayne

yes, c jayne, it does help. everything all of you wrote here helps.

thank you all very much.

with gratitude,

sylvia

[C Jayne]

Sylvia--

I'm glad I helped!

The only way I know to track down times is to do the math and figure out a progressed chart by hand, and while doing that, figure out the perpetual noon date. then, working from an ephemeris, you can look for the exact movements of planets.

Although computerized charts are a marvel, it's kind of too fast -- not enough perspective -- you can't see it happening bit by bit, so the big picture isn't clear.

If you need more discussion on this topic, write me a private note and I'll see if I can help.

-- C Jayne

[Waterbearer50]

Sylvia,

Greetings from a fellow Aquarian also going through transiting

Neptune conjuncting natal Sun. You've recieved a lot of good advice and

plenty of food for thought from many others, I'd like to add some of what

I see, and I'll try to stay with the basics. I take a Soul-centered ,spiritual

approach to Astrology,(kind of a seek ye the kingdom first thing) which I

believe will be of benefit to you.


You asked Wilson:
" how would transiting neptune conjunct the sun in the fourth, in my chart, be a different experience than tr. neptune conjunct mercury in the third? the latter illuminated my mind. wouldn't this one illuminate my soul? both are near the IC, so thinking this is all manifesting internally. "


Exactly! Merc is the urge to know,think and communicate, 3H is

Communication,Mental activity, Learning. Neptune transiting here would

simulate your intuitive, imaginative mind and vision and Merc would want

to communicate this.

tNeptune conjunct the Sun is transforming and will transform your sense

of identity. With your Sun in the 4H, your inner world and where you find

your inner security, this will manifest internally and right to the core of

your being. The really cool part is this can be a beautiful transit. As with

anything astrological it all depends on your level of consciousness and

how you use the energy. If you can stay in the higher energies this can

be a tremendous opportunity to contact a

more compassionate and spiritual side of your nature. You have the

opportunity to connect to a more collective or spiritual purpose. It is a

time to open your Heart, envision new ideals, be imaginative and contact

your Muse.

Your natal Neptune conjunct Ascendent in Scorpio has been "feeding"

your imagination all your life and those moments of bliss you have had

will intensify during this period.

You are also experiencing your Chiron return at this time, for you this

can also be a beautiful transit. Wow! I just checked the ephemeris,,Venus

is also transiting your Chiron on this Monday the 13th! This is an

excellent time to heal and be healed. All wounds of the Heart, releasing

ones wounds, releasing deep seated pain, learning through illness and

suffering now is the time. Much progress can be made in these areas if

you can put energy into this the next couple of days. The Chiron transit

by itself will also do this but Venus relly revs it up the next week.

You have the North Node( our potential and higher mission, the way of

future growth) in Sag/3H. Your Mars is here also. It will serve you well to

put much energy into the affairs of this house and sign. For example,

some positive Sag qualities are, Ideal orientated, wide perspective,

visionary, intuitive, inspired. Colorful story teller, entertainer, mental and

spiritual "traveler". One of Saggies careers is writer. 3H is personal

resources(it's all inside you already!) values and skills. Combine all this

with your desires to write the work of your dreams and you have a nice

formula for personal success.

In July Saturn will conjunct your MC and begin it's transit of your 10H.

This transit will also do much for your "professional" success. Especially

it's transit of your Jup/Pluto conjunction here also.


Your future can be very bright, accentuate the positives, learn to work

with the energies, best wishes,


Blessings,


Waterbearer 50

[sita]

Sylvia,
Please forgive me because I'm having a really hard time focusing today. I'm both dreamy and dense, and am having a hard time concentrating. Im in two completely different worlds simultaneously: they don't jive, but somehow they are coexisting. ???

Anyway, My reading comprehension might be way off, so I need to re-mediate what I think I read:

Am I totally off when I understand that your problem is that, as a writer, you had to choose between two projects: one Saturnine and another Neptunian? You went with Saturnine (because you didn't know what to do), but now that the energies have progressed themselves you realize that its Neptune that is actually supporting you right now? You could write a killer fantasy novel now, but instead are stuck with having to work with a conventional task? You are having a hard time completeing a practical deadline on a practical novel that you need to fulfill , but the tools for completeing this are not with you because you have all fanatsy mojo right now? Is this what is going on?

I'm sorry i don't have a better grip today, but I wanted to throw an idea out if this is the case. Totally chuck it if I'm off, okay? :

If this is your case, I had the flash that maybe you could work on both simultaneously. Not to an unhealthy workaholic degree, but maybe to take advantage of the neptunian thing you have going on. "When in trouble, just combine, " right? I pictured you beginning the fantasy novel now, in addition to writing the practical one. Yes. Doing both. Maybe you only sketch the fanatsy stuff out for a wee bit before you go to bed, or when you first get up, or on your lunch break. This might satisfy those energies and enable you to take advantage of them while you still have them. They definately won't be in this combination forever, and I wouldn't want you to miss out on this opportunity if you have it going on.

Can you do both tasks at once and not be schizophrenic?

It might be helpful to get the dreamy stuff out a bit in that you might find a that a better focus results that might aid you in the practical necessity of what you need to complete.

Can you compromise and, yes, work your artistic butt off in a way you proably won't ever do again, in order to allow yourself to take the fullest advantage of the energies that are working on your behalf? Might this be a loss reduction model that accomodates for the needs of both Saturn and Neptune at the same time?

What do you think?

I saw that transitting jupiter/pluto duo trining the same natal duo in leo' which governs self expression and thought there had to be a better way for you. Especailly with the 3rd house Sag connection.

I know I'm crazy, but am I crazy here?

Sita