Studying Psychology

Abby83

Abby83

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Hi there,

So im currently studying Psychology part time and I am also a mother of three little kiddies which I love very much. Last year for my assignments I got High Distinctions. However, as much as I love learning what I am studying and can relate it to my current circumstances and children, I do start to wonder - Is it going to get me anywhere? Is there any point? Will I have a career in the end? Will I make use of the career in the end?

So I guess in the end, my question can be rounded up as -

Should I complete my Bachelor of Psychological Science?

As for my input, I am the sun, and the only positive aspect of sun is the sextile to pluto in 5th house of children. The moon in 1st house is also poorly aspected. So I take this as a no, I should not take the studies any further.

Can anyone please tell me if they agree on this?

Thank you.
 

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Dirius

Dirius

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You should make the question a bit more clear :biggrin: :

Is it..."Will I get money/good job with a degree in psychology?"
 
Abby83

Abby83

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Cheers.

At the moment im wondering whether I will get a job and even if I need to and if I will want to. But I think that's too many questions to ask?
I love what im learning, no doubt about it. But.. I do wonder whether I will get a job, whether I will need it, and whether I will want it. Cos atm I couldn't be bothered but the only reason I want to commit to it other than enjoying it is because of the 'possible' need for security in the future. In other words, I have always had a fear of financial security since age 18 or so.
 
Dirius

Dirius

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There is a problem with this chart, which indeed is reflected by the chart itself: free will. :joyful:

The question you are asking is, in a way, hypothetical. It is not that you will need to search for a job after getting your degree. It is rather that, you would like the posibility of having the option of looking for a job if you need to, in the future.

**The chart reflects this, because we can get info from it, but not from the job:

The career is represented by the 9th house.

You = Sun (ruler of 1st) / Moon (co-signifier)
Career = Venus (ruler of 9th)
Job = Mercury (10th)

Now your love for the career you are studying is shown by the Sun in pisces (exaltation of Venus). Moon in the 1st house, implies your feelings of concern for yourself.

So far, the chart reflects your situation.

Now here is the problem: the 10th house.

Mercury represents your job opportunities. But we can notice there isn't an aspect between Mercury and either Sun or Moon (your signifiers).

Usually on job questions, finding no aspect between the signifiers and the ruler of the 10th, implies NO luck with finding a job. But in your case, it is different, because you might not even plan to look for one.

Also notice that the Moon is VOC. In charts such as this, it usually acts as a warning that nothing will happen. In this particular case, it is because of the nature of the question being conditioned by your choice.

So we can't really judge the chart regarding a possible job, because the lack of an aspect might be better explained with you not going out job hunting, rather than not being able to find a job.

So in a way, extracting information regarding a job would be...a bit hard.

My suggestion is that, if it makes you happy, you should do it. :sideways:
 
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ScorpioCancerian

ScorpioCancerian

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I think Abby's question boils down to whether she will profit from studying psychology or not.

For this kind of question there is a special need to check first her L9, the planet ruling 9th house, the house of higher knowledge, second her L10, the house which signifies the potential profit (2nd from the 9th) of knowledge and then to compare with her significators.

L9 here is Venus. Venus is quite debilitated because it is in the sign of her detriment. That means the knowledge coming from your studies is not good at all. As we see in this chart, L9, your knowledge is aspected by Jupiter and Jupiter is receiving Venus by its term. Jupiter here helps Venus. I wonder if things that are signified by L4 or L5 (such her father or kids) are in a way helpful furthering your lack of knowledge. I think it very logical though to find your significator of knowledge debilitated, especially if you are at the begging of your study trip :)

But let's now see what happens with the profit of it, checking L10, the profit from it. L10 is Mercury. Mercury has only a small amount of essential dignity, only by face which is good than no dignity at all. So there would be only a small profit from it. The problem is that Mercury and the Sun are in a negative mutual reception, so why wouldn't you like your job once you finished your studies ? The Sun here is in Jupiter's dignities. You like your children more than the actual profit from studies, meaning the future job.

You know what is so interesting here ? The fact that althoug Mercury afflicts the Sun, Venus and the Sun are in a mutual reception by exaltation. So I think that although it would be difficult to profit from your studies, the studies seem to help you as a person.
 
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Dirius

Dirius

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ScorpioCancerian said:
I think Abby's question boils down to whether she will profit from studying psychology or not.
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I have to disagree here. I see you analyzed with the method J.F. uses in the Horary Textbook. However I don't think it is the same type of question.

She is asking if, once the studies are finished, if she will be able to make a career out of it. It doesn't seem to be a money related issue to be specific, but more of the possibility of a job. As in not so much based on the amount of money, but rather on doing something whith your career.

That is actually why I asked her to be more clear on the question, because I thought it might be a "profit from career" question too :joyful:

For example the venus in detriment wouldn't seem to fit, because regardless of the level of education by the school, the knowledge could never be detrimental for her, or poor in comparison to someone that knows nothing of psychology.

Besides, the Moon void of course already sort of gives the answer that nothing will come from the question, since she hasn't decided yet what she wants to do. :happy:
 
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Curmudgeon

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Here are my thoughts (note that I am very new to this!):

Ascendant is in Leo, ruled by the Sun.
Education is the 9th house, here Taurus, ruled by Venus.
Moon is in the 1st house and Leo

The sun is moving to conjoin with Venus, and also moving out of Pisces (a passive, water sign) and into Aries (an active, fire sign). The Sun is also exalted in Aries. I think this means that you will decide to finish your degree.

The Moon is moving into opposition with the Sun, which may indicate your conflict over the decision. You might ask yourself if your feelings are the cause of the conflict, and if so, if they are valid.

I hope this helps!
 
rafaella

rafaella

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I haven't looked at the chart, but I know about the psychology courses in Australia as I've done Bachelors in psychology myself. You can't get a job as a psychologist after completing the 3 years, you need to do one more honours year plus 2 years of supervised practice and then only you can register with APS (Australian psychological society) and work as a psychologist. Alternative is one honours year and 2 masters study years. That's 6 years of study in total!

The alternative is doing 2 years of masters in counselling after your bachelors...and you can register with ACA (Australian counselling association) or something similar.
 
rafaella

rafaella

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The chart shows Venus, the course to be in detriment. I'd say this is because the bachelor course doesn't actually prepare you to go out and start working, it prepares for further education. And it seems, you want to work after completing this course.

But there is this strong mutual reception (Sun and Venus) between you and course, you really enjoy this course and the course (the college) like you back. This is good. But Moon is void and next aspect is to Saturn after change of sign. Saturn at 4th cusp, may point to restrictions at home. Saturn rules your partner. I also notice Moon enters fall of Venus next, so this course may not please you as much soon.
 
Tessie

Tessie

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My two pesos:

I think studying and finishing a degree is a truly worthwhile enterprise. It teaches you much about critical thinking, it expands your mind and it opens doors. Psychology is a generalised and widdddde subject. It can be used for specialism but it can also be used for most other jobs and career paths. If you wanted to work in HR one day, for example, you could enter at a higher salary and status with a degree than without one.

Horary is one type of guide but your heart is another. You clearly like the degree. The knowledge probably suits you. You should stay and select those modules which you enjoy the most. Employers don't care about which modules you took, but they will care about your grade which distinguishes you from other applicants. Good luck. Ah how I miss those library all nighters.
 
Abby83

Abby83

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Sorry my brain has left me since becoming a mother.

In my last post what I meant to say, without being rushed by the kiddies, was -

Do I need to complete the bach in psych science to have a secure stable future?
 
Abby83

Abby83

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ScorpioCancerian said:
I think Abby's question boils down to whether she will profit from studying psychology or not.

For this kind of question there is a special need to check first her L9, the planet ruling 9th house, the house of higher knowledge, second her L10, the house which signifies the potential profit (2nd from the 9th) of knowledge and then to compare with her significators.

L9 here is Venus. Venus is quite debilitated because it is in the sign of her detriment. That means the knowledge coming from your studies is not good at all. As we see in this chart, L9, your knowledge is aspected by Jupiter and Jupiter is receiving Venus by its term. Jupiter here helps Venus. I wonder if things that are signified by L4 or L5 (such her father or kids) are in a way helpful furthering your lack of knowledge. I think it very logical though to find your significator of knowledge debilitated, especially if you are at the begging of your study trip :)

But let's now see what happens with the profit of it, checking L10, the profit from it. L10 is Mercury. Mercury has only a small amount of essential dignity, only by face which is good than no dignity at all. So there would be only a small profit from it. The problem is that Mercury and the Sun are in a negative mutual reception, so why wouldn't you like your job once you finished your studies ? The Sun here is in Jupiter's dignities. You like your children more than the actual profit from studies, meaning the future job.

You know what is so interesting here ? The fact that althoug Mercury afflicts the Sun, Venus and the Sun are in a mutual reception by exaltation. So I think that although it would be difficult to profit from your studies, the studies seem to help you as a person.
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Omg exactly. Everything u said is true. I feel that what im studying is helping me with my current life but I don't think I will have a career out of it. And yes I like my children more as im starting to realise - befiore I liked both.
I had a feeling the course wouldn't bring me profit.
 
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Abby83

Abby83

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Dirius said:
There is a problem with this chart, which indeed is reflected by the chart itself: free will. :joyful:

The question you are asking is, in a way, hypothetical. It is not that you will need to search for a job after getting your degree. It is rather that, you would like the posibility of having the option of looking for a job if you need to, in the future.

**The chart reflects this, because we can get info from it, but not from the job:

The career is represented by the 9th house.

You = Sun (ruler of 1st) / Moon (co-signifier)
Career = Venus (ruler of 9th)
Job = Mercury (10th)

Now your love for the career you are studying is shown by the Sun in pisces (exaltation of Venus). Moon in the 1st house, implies your feelings of concern for yourself.

So far, the chart reflects your situation.

Now here is the problem: the 10th house.

Mercury represents your job opportunities. But we can notice there isn't an aspect between Mercury and either Sun or Moon (your signifiers).

Usually on job questions, finding no aspect between the signifiers and the ruler of the 10th, implies NO luck with finding a job. But in your case, it is different, because you might not even plan to look for one.

Also notice that the Moon is VOC. In charts such as this, it usually acts as a warning that nothing will happen. In this particular case, it is because of the nature of the question being conditioned by your choice.

So we can't really judge the chart regarding a possible job, because the lack of an aspect might be better explained with you not going out job hunting, rather than not being able to find a job.

So in a way, extracting information regarding a job would be...a bit hard.

My suggestion is that, if it makes you happy, you should do it. :sideways:
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Thanks Dirius for that response. Puts me at ease.
 
Abby83

Abby83

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Yes I would have to agree that I love doing this course but as many of u have pointed out, it will not give me job or profit in future. Knowing this now puts me at ease and if I want to study a subject for knowledge, I will, but not seriously for a career.

And as Rafaella said, it's such a long course to study for such little in return. The course loves me for sure, it's a mutual feeling, but now I know not to go all the way. I have to look after myself and family, and not to spend my life dedicated to the life of studies (meaning the university, in my opinion is trying to keep students in as long as possible.)

Thank you all. You have seriously been a great help.
 
rafaella

rafaella

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Abby83 said:
Yes I would have to agree that I love doing this course but as many of u have pointed out, it will not give me job or profit in future. Knowing this now puts me at ease and if I want to study a subject for knowledge, I will, but not seriously for a career.

And as Rafaella said, it's such a long course to study for such little in return. The course loves me for sure, it's a mutual feeling, but now I know not to go all the way. I have to look after myself and family, and not to spend my life dedicated to the life of studies (meaning the university, in my opinion is trying to keep students in as long as possible.)

Thank you all. You have seriously been a great help.
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Education is empowerment for women and for anyone really, but for you specifically it would be very helpful in the future to be able to work and provide for yourself and your kids. At the moment your husband is the main provider but I know you'd like to be independent. So I'd hate for you to stop studying. But my concern is that yes it will take a longtime, and as you are studying it part time, that will expand the study period even more. So you might want to look around and see what else is available out there.

There are vocational counselling courses, although they are not as highly regarded as uni courses. But they do prepare you to start working as a counsellor after completion of the course. Have to make sure to find a
good course with a reputable college.

Whatever you decide, good luck!
 
Abby83

Abby83

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rafaella said:
Education is empowerment for women and for anyone really, but for you specifically it would be very helpful in the future to be able to work and provide for yourself and your kids. At the moment your husband is the main provider but I know you'd like to be independent. So I'd hate for you to stop studying. But my concern is that yes it will take a longtime, and as you are studying it part time, that will expand the study period even more. So you might want to look around and see what else is available out there.

There are vocational counselling courses, although they are not as highly regarded as uni courses. But they do prepare you to start working as a counsellor after completion of the course. Have to make sure to find a
good course with a reputable college.

Whatever you decide, good luck!
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So true Rafaella, how did u understand that about me? Through the horary or through my past posts?
I definitely think that having an educated 'career' is necessary for women both as they are good for the delicate health of women and also stimulates the brain. I have always had physical jobs which wears out my body and I looked to studying psychology to give me a career I could retire into that would not be physical.
My passion is in the fitness industry and health, I love massaging, and being with children also interests me - HOWEVER, all of these jobs are physically taxing on the body and im now wearing out. I cant see myself retiring into these jobs as much as ill love these areas all my life.

Which then gets me wondering if ill be secure with my husband, dependant on him as provider for the rest of my life? And me forever looking after kids and having hobby jobs on the side. - Ill be honest im best working part time, im not really a career driven woman, more a nurturing fun type.
 
ScorpioCancerian

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Dirius said:
I have to disagree here. I see you analyzed with the method J.F. uses in the Horary Textbook. However I don't think it is the same type of question.

She is asking if, once the studies are finished, if she will be able to make a career out of it. It doesn't seem to be a money related issue to be specific, but more of the possibility of a job. As in not so much based on the amount of money, but rather on doing something whith your career.
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You got me wrong here Dirius. :unsure: But it is ok. Really. Look at what you are saying here. You say that it is more a career issue but not money related. Well, career and money go together. Why people have to work then ? Just for the fun of it ? No. Because they want money. And this is the benefit from knowledge.
 
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Abby83 said:
Hi there,

So im currently studying Psychology part time and I am also a mother of three little kiddies which I love very much. Last year for my assignments I got High Distinctions. However, as much as I love learning what I am studying and can relate it to my current circumstances and children, I do start to wonder - Is it going to get me anywhere? Is there any point? Will I have a career in the end? Will I make use of the career in the end?

So I guess in the end, my question can be rounded up as -

Should I complete my Bachelor of Psychological Science?

As for my input, I am the sun, and the only positive aspect of sun is the sextile to pluto in 5th house of children. The moon in 1st house is also poorly aspected. So I take this as a no, I should not take the studies any further.

Can anyone please tell me if they agree on this?

Thank you.
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Hello Abby:

Thanks for your new question.

Here is what I think of your question.

Your horary chart indicates that you are of two minds, here, with respect to your question asked.

Isn't it true !

The reason that you are of two minds, is because Leo is rising, but Virgo is intercepted.

Therefore, Leo rising is much like going to the blackjack parlour and playing a two card charlie or two card draw ?

In your case, you have, in theory, two chances to "beat" the dealer ?

Let us see now if you can "win" !

The first draw yields Sun in Pisces, intercepted, found in the 7th house.

The second ruler, Mercury, is conjunct the 7th house cups, albeit on the hidden side.

What this configuration means is that. your current question re: education, is somehow inter-related to the state of your marriage, isn't it true ?

The 7th house is your house of marriage. But here is the problem. Mercury is peregrine, makes no aspect to anything ! Therefore, you are powerless to act on these rumours and gossip !

The Sun makes a YOD aspect or, finger of god aspect, between Pluto and Jupiter in the 12th house.

This aspect indicates that you fear that your marriage may fail apart, so, a fear of yours, as Jupiter points to the 12th house of secret fears.

Also, take note that Jupiter rules your 4th house of home and family.

You may also fear the legal repercussions, as well, as Jupiter rules legal affairs.

Radix Mercury found on the hidden side of the 7th house indicates something hidden from you, but related to your marriage ?

Perhaps malicious gossip, as Mercury rules rumours and gossip ?

Or, you might be hiding something from your husband. Does you husband know of your educational plans ? What does he think of them ?

However, note that Sun and Mercury does not make any aspect with Venus, the ruler of your 9th house of higher education.

Therefore, I don't think that the college psych degree is feasible at this time.

Taurus is a sign of practicality, however, so since it is the ruler of the 9th house, and Venus is in Aries, you may want to concentrate on a certificate of counselling or even a certificate pertaining to fitness instructor or something related to athletics or sports.

I think that that would satisfy the chart's direction at this time.

Also note that Moon is essentially void of course, and makes no aspect before it changes signs.

That means that you have pretty much made up your mind, subconsciously, about what your next move will be. ?

Without sounding like a fortune cookie, the libation has been made, but not the sacrifice !

Good luck to you !


HM
 
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oleanna

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Hi Abbie83,
there have been a couple of very smart and experienced people before me, who helped you
and had their opinions about the chart.
So it might be not needed that i put up mine, but still, since i read it a little different, i do so:
I work with outer planets.
In the last months i studied to work more without them, means in a more traditonal way.
But since they are here so obviously working in the chart, i'd like to share this:

Pluto in modern horary shows changes and new sights of things. Painful returns or endings as well.
Uranus destroys for to find new reason and aims.
Those 2 are very active in your chart!

First Pluto will apply in a square with Uranus.
Then, shortly after that, Uranus will conjunct with Venus!
Venus, representing your study as ruler of the 9th will then square Pluto.
And finally, your Asc ruler Sun will soon apply in a sextile with Pluto.
- a sort of peaceful aspect, could mean this will be the final understanding of the new way, the moment from when on you can let go.
All this in the next 2 - 7 weeks, i'd say.
(Pluto is in the 5th, so could also be seen as representing your children.)

I found it interesting how this fits into your situation, almost clear as glass.
So your understanding in giving up the study and finding a new goal seems right. -
Still, since there is this huge power of Uranus and Pluto involved,
- i'd say you'll probably won't just give up, instead find a new idea of what you could do to have an income and to stand on your own feet.
- Work can mean satisfaction, happiness, confirmation.
it can makes us aware of who we are, what we can do and where we stand in life.
A deep longing for independance of such sort is not wrong, but makes you more stabile and happy. - all the best for you.
 
Abby83

Abby83

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horarymaster said:
Hello Abby:

Thanks for your new question.

Here is what I think of your question.

Your horary chart indicates that you are of two minds, here, with respect to your question asked.

Isn't it true !

The reason that you are of two minds, is because Leo is rising, but Virgo is intercepted.

Therefore, Leo rising is much like going to the blackjack parlour and playing a two card charlie or two card draw ?

In your case, you have, in theory, two chances to "beat" the dealer ?

Let us see now if you can "win" !

The first draw yields Sun in Pisces, intercepted, found in the 7th house.

The second ruler, Mercury, is conjunct the 7th house cups, albeit on the hidden side.

What this configuration means is that. your current question re: education, is somehow inter-related to the state of your marriage, isn't it true ?

The 7th house is your house of marriage. But here is the problem. Mercury is peregrine, makes no aspect to anything ! Therefore, you are powerless to act on these rumours and gossip !

The Sun makes a YOD aspect or, finger of god aspect, between Pluto and Jupiter in the 12th house.

This aspect indicates that you fear that your marriage may fail apart, so, a fear of yours, as Jupiter points to the 12th house of secret fears.

Also, take note that Jupiter rules your 4th house of home and family.

You may also fear the legal repercussions, as well, as Jupiter rules legal affairs.

Radix Mercury found on the hidden side of the 7th house indicates something hidden from you, but related to your marriage ?

Perhaps malicious gossip, as Mercury rules rumours and gossip ?

Or, you might be hiding something from your husband. Does you husband know of your educational plans ? What does he think of them ?

However, note that Sun and Mercury does not make any aspect with Venus, the ruler of your 9th house of higher education.

Therefore, I don't think that the college psych degree is feasible at this time.

Taurus is a sign of practicality, however, so since it is the ruler of the 9th house, and Venus is in Aries, you may want to concentrate on a certificate of counselling or even a certificate pertaining to fitness instructor or something related to athletics or sports.

I think that that would satisfy the chart's direction at this time.

Also note that Moon is essentially void of course, and makes no aspect before it changes signs.

That means that you have pretty much made up your mind, subconsciously, about what your next move will be. ?

Without sounding like a fortune cookie, the libation has been made, but not the sacrifice !

Good luck to you !


HM
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I didn't realise marriage would be taken into account in this horary as im asking about the education?

What do you mean about the relational part? My husband is fine with me studying. I only have ingrained fears from upbringing re security raising children because my mum was a single mum.
And also, what do u mean by the gossip part? Do you mean relatives gossiping about my decisions? I wouldn't be surprised. They only say negative opinions about me. They don't respect ANY choice I make in life period. Weirdos. My husband would prefer I had a proper job/career. As mentioned earlier I used to be personal trainer and massage therapist and my husband doesn't see that as proper stable work either and I cant see myself growing old with it but I can do it as a hobby part time.
 
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