T Saturn opp N Moon (& T Neptune conj N Saturn)

Kenoshamaensa

Well-known member
First, I realize I've not been around in ages. RL intervened.

But I wanted to ask about various members' personal experience with either of these two aspects. I've read a lot of general reviews, including (of course) Hand's, but I'm really interested in how these affected YOU. Please include ruling houses for the moon.

I am finding that both of them are kicking my *ss, if in different ways. First, let me say I am NOT by nature either a depressive person or a drama queen. Rather dislike those things. In my natal chart I have a Saturn-Moon sextile, which has always made me rather even-tempered. I've always been the "reliable" friend, "sensible."

But of late, that's just ... off the table. Now to be fair, I went though a divorce 5 years ago. Not a "bad" divorce by many criteria, but that may be worse. "Nice"-but-not-desired divorces have their own freight. I didn't want it; he did. All my anger was circumvented. I wasn't "allowed" to be angry in the same way nasty divorces can allow. OTOH, that's probably BETTER for our shared son. But psychologically, I know enough to realize it undermines my own resentments and angers. So I sacrifice my feelings for peace and my son. This is not only necessary, it's the responsible choice. I'm the grown-up here. Being a parent means making such choices. (And both I and the ex- are Libras ... ha, but we both ALSO have Ares moons ... yes, a weirdp-similar odd good-bad mix.)

ANYway, I give this as background, because it fits into the SATURN discussion.

Saturn in my BIRTHCHART is as much positive as negative. I don't dislike Saturn. It's exalted in Aquarius, sits on my rising sign (from the 12th, but acting as first), and while it does have some negatives, in my birthchart, I regard it more as a positive. It grounds and centers me, gives me ambition (despite my so-called "flighty" Pisces rising), and organizational skills. I LIKE Saturn.

In my birthchart.

In TRANSIT ...?

... whole 'nother matter.

There are two planets that frequently WORRY me in major transits: Pluto and Saturn. Mars agitates, but I can usually control it. Pluto upsets EVERYthing, and Saturn ... manifests very, very concretely in terms of "endings" or "breakage."

I've broken my (right) ankle TWICE with major Saturn transits ... the first time Saturn OVER my Pisces Rising ASC. Ah ... could that get MORE literal? Bones? Limitations? Pisces = feet? Asc = body? It's like a textbook. Another Saturn transit later caused a second break -- same d*mn ankle.

Saturn is also the marker for my divorce.

Now that sucker is going to go over my 2nd house Moon (ruling 5th house Cancer).

I'm not sure WHAT to make of that. OTOH, I am 46, soon to be 47. I'm hitting MENOPAUSE. I did some quick Google searches about this transit and menopause and didn't get much. But it seems to me that would be a CLASSIC literal reading (like the first ankle breakage). Saturn opposition the Moon, which rules my fifth house of procreation/children. Yes, although I have only one child, I'm actually rather *fertile*, and have had to worry about that.

SO I'm really wondering if any other (female) members have had similar stories of Saturn-Moon hard aspects heralding menopause? Or male members who know of such examples? 47 is sorta the "classic" age at which menopause truly begins.

But I'm also concerned about other concrete manifestations. Moon in the second house of (among other things) resources and finances ... opposed by limiting Saturn in the 8th. I am the SOLE breadwinner of my little "family." If I lose my job/income I'm f'ed. Now, I'm a professor, with tenure, so my job is fairly secure, but in the current economic environment, NOTHING is "secure." Furthermore, unexpected things happen. I could suffer some ailment (to the female organs?) and have to go on disability ... like, say, ovarian cancer. As an American Indian, cancer isn't endemic to my family, but again, who knows? I lost a colleague only a few years ago to breast cancer. She was in her mid-30s with a daughter barely 2. I hate being paranoid, but -- again -- Saturn transits tend to have really concrete manifestations in my life. Saturn quincunx asc. and hitting Venus (conj), with a square to asc/disc earlier with problems first manifested? Yup .. DIVORCE. Saturn through my 7th house? Can't get a date no matter what!

So yes, I'm worried about the physical manifestations, but also emotional. As stated earlier, I am an emotional rudder. I'm not emo, I'm not a drama queen, and I can't STAND these things.

But. I've been struggling increasingly with depression, and I know enough about psych (have a degree in it) to know what it is. I don't know if this is hormones, or what. But I am NOT suicidal by nature ... and I've spent nights considering it in an emotional tailspin. (No, not enough to actually DO it -- I know when to call a crisis line -- but to a degree that isn't NORMAL.)

That brings me to the T-NEPTUNE conj. N. Saturn. This is ALSO called a depressive transit. "The Dark Night of the Soul."

And BOTH these transits are going to be hitting me TOGETHER. One has started and the other will start in December. I'm TERRIFIED. I can't handle more depression. I really can't. I can't handle more things going wrong in my life. So far, I can't count GOOD things that happen to me, just THINGS THAT DON'T GO TERRIBLY WRONG. You know what keeps me going? The fact I have a teenaged son and responsibility to him, as well as responsibility to my students, the fact killing myself would kill my father, and the fact "things could be worse." But all that is just a reason not to die (yet). It's not a reason to live.

I can't take another hit. I really can't. I feel like that camel waiting for that "straw" that will break her back. I have to run a major regional conference next year. It's known to be hell, and I can't get out of it. I fear it will drive me over the age, but I can't "quit" or refuse it. That's not an option. I have to do it. And the Saturn-Moon opposition will hit RIGHT in the middle of the WORST of the work.

I fear I'm just not going to be able to take it all. Nothing in my future holds any promise. It's just "degrees of bad."
 
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Betty F

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When I went through menopause, T-Saturn was conjunct my Lilith, t-Chiron opposed them. It was no where near my Moon.

When t-Saturn opposed my Moon it was lining up in conjunction with t-Pluto and t-Jupiter. It did mark the "beginning of the end" of a relationship, but Pluto had already been doing a real number on it. It was the end of 36 years of physically abusive relationships. (I have not been in another one since). However, I think Saturn was a source of strength at that time, not the cause of the problems.

I can see how your Saturn is an important factor in your life, being a leg of that yod pattern. I also have a 12th house Saturn (loosely) conjunct my ascendent. I know how important it is to feel I'm in control of my destiny, and how easy it is to sacrifice myself emotionally for the greater good. Neptune crossing that point is asking you to recognize how well, or how poorly, your Saturn has been serving your spiritual purpose, and to have faith in that purpose even when your earthly perspective cannot support it. The good news is, you don't have to figure it out. You're separating the seeds from the dross now. It will become clear later when the seeds start to grow.

I hope you find a source of strength in the t-Saturn transit to your Moon. Remember that the opposition is a natural relationship for Moon-Saturn. Your emotions feed your desire to achieve, and your achievements validate and support your emotions. Balance is the key to a successful opposition. This one is achieved through self-appreciation and mutual respect.

P.S. My Moon is also at 25 degrees Aries.
 
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Kenoshamaensa

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Thanks, Betty. How this stuff works out for others is very useful for me, learning.

I'm not currently in any relationship, and haven't been since the divorce 5 years ago. Can't even get a date. *wry grin* I'm not sure to what to attribute that ... whether it's my degree [men tend to run from women with doctorates], the fact I'm closer to 50 than 40, the fact I have a teenaged son, the fact that as a prof, most of the men I meet are both 25+ years my junior AND my students.... Any one or two of those might be something that wouldn't matter much, but in combination, it seems to be the kiss of death. I'm not overweight, nor especially unattractive, but yeah, there's just NOTHING on the horizon, nor likely to be. As distasteful as it is for a Libra sun, I've about accepted that I'll be single from here on out, even while it makes me sad.

SO, although a lot of interps I see for this include ending relationships, that probably wouldn't apply in may case, hence my wondering what other things it might mean. My moon is in my second house (and yes, nearly in the anaretic degree of Aries), and rules my fifth. Given that it's being opposed by Saturn, which sextiles it in my yod, I'm expecting this to have some sort of significant impact. Saturn transits often seem to, and they're not uncommonly very *concrete* and literal (which seems especially appropriate for Saturn).

Technically, Neptune rules my chart, but with Saturn RIGHT there on the Asc, it modifies that a lot, and I'd consider Saturn my co-ruler. The fact Neptune is currently hitting Saturn will only intensify this, I think. Between the two of them, given the traditional interps for these transits, I'm just hoping I can survive the negativity!
 
But. I've been struggling increasingly with depression, and I know enough about psych (have a degree in it) to know what it is. I don't know if this is hormones, or what. But I am NOT suicidal by nature ... and I've spent nights considering it in an emotional tailspin. (No, not enough to actually DO it -- I know when to call a crisis line -- but to a degree that isn't NORMAL.) [this is about structures (saturn) dissolving or dissappearing neptune)it brings a 'fear of the unknown' to]

That brings me to the T-NEPTUNE conj. N. Saturn. This is ALSO called a depressive transit. "The Dark Night of the Soul."

And BOTH these transits are going to be hitting me TOGETHER. One has started and the other will start in December. I'm TERRIFIED. I can't handle more depression. I really can't. I can't handle more things going wrong in my life. So far, I can't count GOOD things that happen to me, just THINGS THAT DON'T GO TERRIBLY WRONG. You know what keeps me going? The fact I have a teenaged son and responsibility to him, as well as responsibility to my students, the fact killing myself would kill my father, and the fact "things could be worse." But all that is just a reason not to die (yet). It's not a reason to live.


SO, although a lot of interps I see for this include ending relationships, that probably wouldn't apply in may case, hence my wondering what other things it might mean. My moon is in my second house (and yes, nearly in the anaretic degree of Aries), and rules my fifth. Given that it's being opposed by Saturn, which sextiles it in my yod, I'm expecting this to have some sort of significant impact. Saturn transits often seem to, and they're not uncommonly very *concrete* and literal (which seems especially appropriate for Saturn).

Technically, Neptune rules my chart, but with Saturn RIGHT there on the Asc, it modifies that a lot, and I'd consider Saturn my co-ruler. The fact Neptune is currently hitting Saturn will only intensify this, I think. Between the two of them, given the traditional interps for these transits, I'm just hoping I can survive the negativity!

As you prob know your sun would be 8th Equal house and T Saturn in 8th is all about joint finances (and no sex :sad:) of course. opposing moon (domestic circumstances) 2nd how you earn your money may well changes, financial shortages are a given. I have aries moon combust yours and will experience this at Xmas to, although my moon is 3rd conj 4th house cusp so will affect my home/family matters and communications. Saturning transiting 9th is testing MY philosophies in life while T Saturn in 8th is test (other people's values/beliefs) as opposed to your personal values/beliefs 2nd house. So it will be a time to be more self reliant concernng your joint finances, with whomever, partner,employer, state/government

You have just had T Jupiter go over your moon end may/first week June. Did anything nice happen around then? did you socialise more?

whilst t neptune is conj saturn, setting of saturn's aspect - therefore squaring jupiter, this can suggest getting carried away and being over generous, could be connected to career as Jupiter is MC ruler and communications 3rd house Jup..

On a personal note, whenever I have had T Saturn make hard aspect to moon or venus, a relationship has ended :sad:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20030&highlight=saturn
this thread shoud interest you.
:neptune::conjunct::saturn:
This can be a very difficult transit. Saturn represents the reality that we perceive due to our agnoia, but Neptune represents a different level of reality where paradoxes are common. This is a time when your beliefs may be questioned and found inadequate. As you become increasingly disoriented, you will probably question what is real and what is not.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/neptune-cj-saturn.html
Often this transit coincides with a great disappointment that leads to disillusionment, self doubt and lack of self confidence. Fear is also a common problem at this time, especially irrational fear with no obvious basis. Often it feels like the structures upon which you have built your life, and have come to depend on, are no longer dependable.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/neptune-cj-saturn.html
 
Neptune crossing the ASc is no joke, I've had it in early Aquarius it comes with all sorts of shocks and surprises.. I remember reading Noel Tyl's version of this transit as *complete wipeout* and for me at least it was true. I ended all contact with my family, due to my father's Will. Secrets and matters relating to 12th house come out of the closet, so to speak and what's more you never see it coming..

Neptune
By Transit
A transit of Neptune to the 1st House marks a time when a person’s ability to project himself and to act effectively may be eroded by a diminished sense of separateness. This may be the consequence of being greatly under the influence of a partner, friends or associates. As Neptune moves so slowly, a person who experiences a Neptunian transit of H1, is likely to have his natal Neptune in H11 or H12, placements which will dispose him to idealise others. As Neptune transits H1, then this tendency comes to affect the way a person projects himself.
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookTransitsAndProgressions.htm

Whilst this transit may create a period of confusion in a person’s life owing to the erosion of his identity, it is potentially a time in which a person can begin to act upon his ideals and spiritual insights. The period during which Neptune holds the transiting degree will mark the time when a person feels most intensely the sense of having no separate identity.
Psychic experiences are not uncommon at this time.
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookTransitsAndProgressions.htm

 

Astrodawn

Well-known member
Hiya

I feel for you with this.

We are quite close in birthdate im 23 dec 64.

I can relate to what you are saying, in detail and also have dark night of the soul 0 degrees saturn in pisces 7th house with tr neptune.

I have been suffering all sorts of anxiety/depression and wierd illnesses, like yourself im very grounded and dont usually have anything i cant shrug off in a day or too.

For the past 18 months I have also been having numerous mystery illnesses. I have non allergenic allergies that wipe me out every day (awful) ive had mysterious collapsing, and a full MOT of hospitals trying to find out the problems, MRI scans cat scans 14 blood tests, 24 hour blood pressure monitoring, 24 heart monitoring, ecg 3 stops in emergency hospital. Turns out now that I have something called reactive hypoglycemia, a condition where if i eat anything which creates blood sugars for energy, my body releases so much insulin within 30 mins that i /fall asleep/cant string a sentance together/ walk like im drunk and coillapse.

Im really down in the dumps about it, im thinking all the mystery stuff must be neptune and on saturn its stopping me working (im a sport and fitness lecturer with no energy) :-(

I have natally moon opposite saturn in a tsquare with venus.
that is big home problems with parents as a kid moon mum saturn dad, and a sense of being alone all my life.
Perhaps the transit is going to be a time of isolation (in 2nd maybe money problems with no one to help?)

If you ever need to talk PM me x
 

Kenoshamaensa

Well-known member
As you prob know your sun would be 8th Equal house and T Saturn in 8th is all about joint finances (and no sex :sad:) of course. opposing moon (domestic circumstances) 2nd how you earn your money may well changes, financial shortages are a given. I have aries moon combust yours and will experience this at Xmas too, although my moon is 3rd conj 4th house cusp so will affect my home/family matters and communications. Saturning transiting 9th is testing MY philosophies in life while T Saturn in 8th is test (other people's values/beliefs) as opposed to your personal values/beliefs 2nd house. So it will be a time to be more self reliant concernng your joint finances, with whomever, partner,employer, state/government

You have just had T Jupiter go over your moon end may/first week June. Did anything nice happen around then? did you socialise more?

whilst t neptune is conj saturn, setting of saturn's aspect - therefore squaring jupiter, this can suggest getting carried away and being over generous, could be connected to career as Jupiter is MC ruler and communications 3rd house Jup..

On a personal note, whenever I have had T Saturn make hard aspect to moon or venus, a relationship has ended :sad:

Thanks for the link. As noted above, I'm not in a relationship (and haven't been since the divorce), so I've tended to disregard that part of the interp. I mean, I have friendships, but nothing at all romantic (unfortunately). And the "no sex" isn't encouraging! *sigh*

The main things in my life at present that this might affect:

1) Trying to sell a novel, which has so far been unsuccessful. ALL my life, I've heard what a great writer I am, how talented I am (and from people who don't have to say so, at all) ... well, lovely, but I have yet to SELL anything. So I get very mixed messages ... loads of praise (from people not related to me or, as noted, at all "required" to tell me I'm good), but failure to sell a novel or engage an agent.

2) Running a local (history) conference for the next 2 years, which I really don't want to do, but have no choice. I'm actually a decent organizer, so I can probably DO it... I just hate doing it. Which is why I didn't go into anything related to PR. Sometimes one has an ability for something one really doesn't *like*. That's the case here.

3) Trying to sell my house. I've had it now TWICE on the market for the summer, but due to my teaching schedule, have a fairly limited time to sell it (c. 4.5 months). Before the housing crash, that might not have been a big deal, but where I am, it's averaging 6 months to sell, and it's getting to a point where buyers can be so particular they want all sorts of improvements that makes it financially ridiculous for me to sell, when I don't HAVE to. I'm putting more money into the house to sell it than I should, and while I *might* (emphasis on "might") make it back in sale, those are 2 different "pots" of money ... savings for new house/closing/sale versus mortgage money.

And, of course, there's the eternal ... "I'm divorced, I'd like to get remarried but haven't found anyone even to DATE yet."
 

Kenoshamaensa

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I can relate to what you are saying, in detail and also have dark night of the soul 0 degrees saturn in pisces 7th house with tr neptune.

I have been suffering all sorts of anxiety/depression and wierd illnesses, like yourself im very grounded and dont usually have anything i cant shrug off in a day or too.

EXACTLY. That's why this is SO frustrating. I have a Saturn-Moon sextile, which makes me fairly emotional stable, together with Saturn on the Asc. The Saturn (Aquarius)-Moon (Aries) sextile is part of a Yod to my 7th house Sun (Libra), but overall, I've ALWAYS been the STABLE one, emotionally speaking, which is WHY THIS FREAKS ME OUT. I don't DO "drama." I HATE drama, and drama queens/kings, and I'm starting to feel like one. Which makes me both angry and defensive, because the depression is very real.

For the past 18 months I have also been having numerous mystery illnesses. I have non allergenic allergies that wipe me out every day (awful) ive had mysterious collapsing, and a full MOT of hospitals trying to find out the problems, MRI scans cat scans 14 blood tests, 24 hour blood pressure monitoring, 24 heart monitoring, ecg 3 stops in emergency hospital. Turns out now that I have something called reactive hypoglycemia, a condition where if i eat anything which creates blood sugars for energy, my body releases so much insulin within 30 mins that i /fall asleep/cant string a sentance together/ walk like im drunk and coillapse.

Im really down in the dumps about it, im thinking all the mystery stuff must be neptune and on saturn its stopping me working (im a sport and fitness lecturer with no energy) :-(

I have natally moon opposite saturn in a tsquare with venus.
that is big home problems with parents as a kid moon mum saturn dad, and a sense of being alone all my life.
Perhaps the transit is going to be a time of isolation (in 2nd maybe money problems with no one to help?)

I've not really had mystery illnesses, aside from the beginnings of what I suspect/assume (given my age) is pre-menopause/menopause. Money issues with no-one to help worries me, as I have to support my son, and if I have no money (or lose my job), my ex- MIGHT attempt to take my son away from me. I'm not sure he would, but he might.
 
Thanks for the link. As noted above, I'm not in a relationship (and haven't been since the divorce), so I've tended to disregard that part of the interp. I mean, I have friendships, but nothing at all romantic (unfortunately). And the "no sex" isn't encouraging! *sigh*

The main things in my life at present that this might affect:

1) Trying to sell a novel, which has so far been unsuccessful. ALL my life, I've heard what a great writer I am, how talented I am (and from people who don't have to say so, at all) ... well, lovely, but I have yet to SELL anything. So I get very mixed messages ... loads of praise (from people not related to me or, as noted, at all "required" to tell me I'm good), but failure to sell a novel or engage an agent. [you could always try asking a horary question on this]

2) Running a local (history) conference for the next 2 years, which I really don't want to do, but have no choice. I'm actually a decent organizer, so I can probably DO it... I just hate doing it. Which is why I didn't go into anything related to PR. Sometimes one has an ability for something one really doesn't *like*. That's the case here.

3) Trying to sell my house. I've had it now TWICE on the market for the summer, but due to my teaching schedule, have a fairly limited time to sell it (c. 4.5 months). Before the housing crash, that might not have been a big deal, but where I am, it's averaging 6 months to sell, and it's getting to a point where buyers can be so particular they want all sorts of improvements that makes it financially ridiculous for me to sell, when I don't HAVE to. I'm putting more money into the house to sell it than I should, and while I *might* (emphasis on "might") make it back in sale, those are 2 different "pots" of money ... savings for new house/closing/sale versus mortgage money.

And, of course, there's the eternal ... "I'm divorced, I'd like to get remarried but haven't found anyone even to DATE yet."

selling/moving house can sometimes be seen in Solar return charts, espec moon in 3rd (planning) 4th house doing.

With regards to your ex getting custardy of your child, it's highly improbable. No judge is going to part a child from it mother unless there is evidence of abuse...
so stop worrying over this one
 

ptolomy

Well-known member
Saturn conjunct Neptune is most likely to create illusory fears,I think so far nothing has happened that is awful?.(Robert Hands :planets in Transit) has a great description of the possible affects of this transit.
I know its easier said than done, but in my opinion the best policy would be to spend a lot more time on introspection on what basis your fears are coming from.If it is the intention for higher consciousness to deal you a bum hand,chances are your worrying wont stop it happening,and is more likely to help it happen.Maybe something like meditation could help you get a grip on reality.
Please dont think im accusing you of loosing touch with reality,I think the same would happen to most people who have this transit.Neptune will act very unconsciously unless you can consciously approach it by some methodology.

As I have a natal chart with Saturn Conjunct IC, opposition Moon conjunct MC and squared by Pluto 12th conjunct Asc, I've spent years being depressed about my situation,its never really gone away,but now its normal,I expect to have no career,no home of my own,no close relationships,Most projects never going anywhere.I cant do much about it except my attitude towards it.So if i want to feel ok I dont dwell on it because I cant change it,I just get on with my life the best I can.Even when it put me in prison I just made the most of the situation and did every course that was running and got a job cleaning the wing and serving food to the inmates.In retrospect it was quite an interesting and enjoyable learning experience.LOL ,Carry on regardless,You try and stop me :biggrin:
 
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