Thank you both very much for your input.
Yes I did note that using whole sign houses does change things and because I am inclined to use whole sign houses I am also trying to figure out if the right thing is actually to place the MC/IC axis always straight up/down-vertical as the MC is supposed to be the highest point in the sky - straight up- when you are born... and then the ASC sign might even change from what the computer program says if placing the ASC also always as a horizontal axis (straight east from the highest point (MC)). I guess I just do not trust blindly in astrological software also because there are so many different views on which way is the best way to read a chart.
I am now trying to understand my children's charts and also trying to figure out if their birth time should be tampered with and whether it could be right what one member here has told me that the ASC sign can be found in an interval of 6 hours around the birth of a child, not necessarily the minute of birth because that does not always fit the individual.
But I do need to understand my children's 4th house
I am also wondering if the 4th house is both mother and father as a union in the home.
I am looking at my children and then looking at their astro chart in it just does not fit the picture as I see it
My youngest is a sparkly girl with red hair and round face and always singing and dancing and she opens up books and just makes up all kinds of stories. She is also very straight forward and quick to go up to people and speak and she can sometimes be a bit aggressive
I don't see how it fits an ASC in Libra with Saturn within 4° conjunction and Venus in 2nd house in Scorpio??? Maybe rather that her ASC is conjunct Venus of artistic expression? Venus is of course the ruler of 1st then, but Saturn is bothering me in that picture as she is not in any way shy or restricted.
My middle one is a bit of a puzzle. He would probably be seen as the most beautiful face of the siblings as he has fine lines and blond hair (in traditional sense although I also think my daughter with the red hair is very beautiful). His nose is pointy like mine and his eyes also like all my children's eyes point upward a bit at the outer edge. He is supposed to have Scorpio ASC which would fit his shyness and being maybe somewhat inhibited. Pluto is in third if ASC Scorpio and Mars in Pisces. He also has the aggressive nature and temper like his siblings, and it comes out in fighting physically.
I would think the two young children I have with the same man and we all live together should have their 4th house in a sign with similar traits or same ruler.
My oldest one is easier as he is now 14 and I've known him longer and see his character unfold for a longer time
He has ASC Virgo with Sun directly conjunct and it does describe his self centered nature and his tiny and very thin bodyshape and his V shape face. He also has Mercury and Venus in 1st house which also fits the picture as he has interest in computers, communication and has natural musical talent. Although I have sometimes thought he might be Leo ASC (his ASC is close to the border of those two signs) as he has Mars in Leo and can have such a temper and aggressive expression sometimes.
Having children of this nature makes me think that my 5th house has an association with Mars so it might be either Aries or my Leo sign with Sun, Mars and Mercury inside it
The 5th house is supposed to not only predict if you have children or not but also the traits of your children, right?