Which is worse...a bad composite chart or bad synastry chart?

This is a general question I have been wondering about when it comes to relational astrology.

Is it better to have...

A) a bad composite chart and a good synastry chart between two people

B) a bad synastry chart and a good composite chart between two people

My answer would be A because a composite chart shows the "final outcome"of a relationship and a synastry is more the energies within a relationship. So i guess even if two people had great synastry and all the planets made positive aspects, if the composite chart did not look to good then it would all mean nothing.

I don't really have a lot of experience but in general that is a trend I have noticed when studying two people's charts.

I would love to hear other's opinions

For people who are just friends a good synsatry chart is really all you need for people who are living together a bad composite even with great synastry can kill things, my sister and her ex husband are such an example. In other words it depends on the relationship.

juicey J. said:

For people who are just friends a good synsatry chart is really all you need for people who are living together a bad composite even with great synastry can kill things, my sister and her ex husband are such an example. In other words it depends on the relationship.

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I agree that the composite chart will show the dynamics at play and where the planets are situated will define the relationship. If there is little or nothing in the marriage sector then partnerships wont flourish possibly.

If for instance there is concentration on the 3rd house then it is a good chart for friends and neighbours for instance or for being a student/teacher.


Without strong saturn connections no relationship will endure for a long time.



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astrology02 said:

This is a general question I have been wondering about when it comes to relational astrology.

Is it better to have...

A) a bad composite chart and a good synastry chart between two people

B) a bad synastry chart and a good composite chart between two people

My answer would be A because a composite chart shows the "final outcome"of a relationship and a synastry is more the energies within a relationship. So i guess even if two people had great synastry and all the planets made positive aspects, if the composite chart did not look to good then it would all mean nothing.

I don't really have a lot of experience but in general that is a trend I have noticed when studying two people's charts.

I would love to hear other's opinions

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I wouldn't describe a composite showing the final outcome, it simply describe the energies created when two people come together and function as one, as in a relationship.Transits over composite should be tested for validity to

You can also do a prog synastry to see how and where a person has grown evolved and changed.

there is always a positive and negative way *aspects* express themselves, or a higher and lower vibration within each of us. So how these *could* express when relating to another person is a minefield. I do feel that saturn aspects tend to bind for good OR bad, a lot depends whether easy aspects or challenges. Even with challenging aspects, with mutual respect and good communication it is still possible to talk matters through and reach compromises. All of life is a compromise and negotiation, just learn to negotiate

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other.The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html
click on link to read full article

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

Re: relationships
theortically EJ has the right order but I would question the interpretations of composites and davision's cos some members here who specialises reads composites as if they were davison charts.

1) In composites I disregard planetary sign placements and instead focus on houses where the planets fall and on aspects. The composite Sun is the most important.
2) Aspects that occur in both natals and in the composite/davison will be psychological issues that need to be worked on in the relationship.
3) Aspects that occur in the composite but not in the natals are issues rising within the relationship that have not been dealt with before by either party.
4) In Davison the main difference is to look at sign placement, whilst ignore sign placement in the composite. Also look for sign strength and weakness, mutual reception, sole dispositors.
5) In both ‘composites’ and ‘Davisons’, look for midpoints that are conjoined by planets in either natal. In composites, these relationships seem to be referring to psychological issues, while in ‘Davidsons’, the midpoint relationships tend to refer to forces acting on the couple from outside the relationship.
6) Try putting your natal planets around the outside of either chart, to see who relates best to this relationship and who is gaining the most. This can be rather revealing
7) Also remember you can use transits over both these charts and again Angles are very sensitive points
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11

Davison chart v Composite chart
“Important point! Both of these charts are for the two of you as a couple. They show things that will tend to happen in the relationship as well as how you act towards the outside world when you are together. They have no effect when you are apart”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

Anything is possible, don't let astrology limit or define who or what you do!

I have a close friend who I get on with very well indeed. Every personal planet in my chart is closely trine its counterpart in her chart, apart from my Mercury Sun conjunction is trine my Mercury, but not my Sun. Our ascendants are in the same element.

Our composite has a grand cross which involves most of the chart!

This backs up my feeling that difficult synastry will be more likely to be overwhelming than a difficult composite. The composite to me is more about the personality of the relationship itself, rather than how the two people experience one another.

Transits to composites can show rough patches though I'd say, and I guess this is more so if the composite planet being transited is itself tensely aspected in the composite.

Main thing is what astrologer50 just said - don't let astrology limit or define you or what you do.

thank you everyone for your input!! I really appreciate it, and astrologer50- those are some great links , your post definately made me look at things a little differently. Information about the ascendant and the 12th house were things I have overlooked in the past .

thanks everyone for sharing your experiences.

when i first began studying astrology i went to astro.com and then the interactive chart section to make a composite chart. However I don't reccommend doing this because it was really misleading. Later when I went to the extended chart selection there I realised this interactive charts showed ALL aspects (even ones with a 9 degree orb) .

doesn't really relate to anything, but just thought i would share for anyone beginning to look at charts like this

astrology02 said:

when i first began studying astrology i went to astro.com and then the interactive chart section to make a composite chart. However I don't reccommend doing this because it was really misleading. Later when I went to the extended chart selection there I realised this interactive charts showed ALL aspects (even ones with a 9 degree orb) .

doesn't really relate to anything, but just thought i would share for anyone beginning to look at charts like this

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I know astro uses very wide orbs, that's why I recommend reducing the orb ration in extended chart selection to 85% but for synastry i would go much lower like 50% even...

Exactly what I'm wondering right now. I am dating someone and looked at both charts.

The composite chart seems to have lots of incredibly powerful aspects (several being called among the best to have on astro.com), but the synastry just shows squares and oppositions.

I've known him and worked closely with him for 3 years. I think that while we challenge each other as individuals, we would overcome these challenges as a team and help each other grow through them, because the foundation is solid.

I wouldn't want an easy relationship anyway.

astrology02 said:

This is a general question I have been wondering about when it comes to relational astrology.

Is it better to have...

A) a bad composite chart and a good synastry chart between two people

B) a bad synastry chart and a good composite chart between two people

My answer would be A because a composite chart shows the "final outcome"of a relationship and a synastry is more the energies within a relationship. So i guess even if two people had great synastry and all the planets made positive aspects, if the composite chart did not look to good then it would all mean nothing.

I don't really have a lot of experience but in general that is a trend I have noticed when studying two people's charts.

I would love to hear other's opinions

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I had a really good synastry chart with someone, but the composite with that same person was really, REALLY bad - almost all squares. Things worked out pretty much how the composite appeared.

In a different situation I had a really positive composite chart with them (I'd never seen so many trines in one chart before) , but a borderline negative/meh synastry. That didn't go well either.