Here is a web site with faces/sun/moon/asc features.
http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html
Thank you for the link, deanna. I submitted a picture to Astrofaces two years ago; I'm listed under Aries/Aries/Aries, but I contacted the webmaster to explain my "Ascendant dilemma." I'm not going to reveal his thoughts yet because I don't want to sway the poll.
I would deeply analyze how you are when you first meet someone-journal it right after a new encounter.
Are you 'feeling' how a person is for first impressions? (Pisces)
or
Are you assertive and up front when you encounter a new person? (Aries)
This is an interesting idea. I suspect the setting and circumstances would greatly influence how I present myself to another person, as well as my confidence level. I tend to be self-concious regarding the first impression I make upon others, so I try to soften or "tone down" the amount of Arian vigor I project so as not to overwhelm them. This is especially true in a formal setting, just as a job interview.
Also, your skin is white with red spots - like mine. Definitely Mars influence. I had freckles on my nose but I erased them with whitening pomade (early - I was about your age).
And your hair has this red ``layer`` over - like mine (I mean my natural dark red which I colour of course depending on a mood). Again, Mars influence (mine is in 1st that is why).
I think definitely Aries.
Yes, I agree there is a certain red overtone to my appearance--but as I mentioned in my first post, there was bound to be with my first house Aries stellium, which is composed entirely of inner planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus). I was also born with strawberry blond hair, although it turned platinum blond by my first year.
And I agree with Deanna - do you have that ``feeling`` or do you ``receive`` peoples mood? I do and it can be quite ardous sometimes but also, instinct is a life saver... I mean: are you more assertive or receptive?
Again, this very much depends upon the circumstance. I am very passionate about certain activities and projects in which I engage, and what I seek to instill change, I can be quite assertive in my expression of thoughts and ideas. Yet I rarely go about this is the blustering manner that is associated with Aries; I try my best to accomodate others' thoughts and feelings. So again, there's a mixture of assertiveness and receptivity in my personality.
I completed a version of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test the other day, and I asked my mother to select the trait in each of the four pairs that she felt best described me. I did not show her my results before I asked her to do this because I was seeking validation of my own answers. We received almost identical answers; only one letter differed, and she struggled on the same question I struggled the most with. Therefore, I trust the answer. I include it here because it might be helpful. Brace yourselves, the results may surprise you:
Introversion (I)
Intuition (N) - This is the one my mother and I both struggled with; I initially chose Sensing (S).
Feeling (F)
Perceiving (P)
This makes me an INFP type, which is described in
The 16 MBTI® Types.
INFP
Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values. Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential. Adaptable, flexible, and accepting unless a value is threatened.
I include this information because it's helps me obtain some distance from your questions because I can sort of sense that different people want me to answer questions in a certain way. This trait may not be so apparent on the forums, where we have sufficient distance from each other, but
I am easily swayed by others in my personal vicinity. Indeed, just last year, I was made the tie-breaking vote for the election of an officer candidate I personally did not trust
because two other officers were so convinced she was the best candidate and I personally did not know her well. I had an almost prophetic sense that she would leave the team and I would assume her responsibilities, and this indeed occurred. I include this example because it presents a side of me I do not often express on the forums.
Given Pisces rising, Neptune would be your chart ruler. It is in Capricorn, correct?And conjunct Saturn. That would make sense given your drive and ambition.
I relate unusually well to this generational influence, but I've always thought this was due to the series aspects it makes to my personal planets, particularly my Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction. Neptune is another culprit that makes guessing my Ascendant difficult.
What about your mars? Does it make sense as your chart ruler?
I've always related well to my third house Mars in Gemini, but it is the ruler of a strong first house Aries stellium, so I would almost consider it to be my chart ruler regardless of my Ascendant sign. There is no final dispositor in my natal chart, but I believe it is worth noting that all of my planets that are not dignified by sign eventually "go back to" Mars in Gemini in mutual reception with Mercury in Aries by way of the dispositor chain.
A further complication is that the traditional ruler of a Pisces Ascendant is Jupiter, and Jupiter is also located in Gemini in my natal chart. It may be worth mentioning that I have difficulty connecting to Jupiter in my natal chart because it's in its detriment and receives the fewest aspects.
My Virgo Moon is not ready to go in public yet... (or maybe the shy AC... )
I understand, Natasa. It's taken me more than three years to post my picture publically on the forums, although I have sent my picture to several forum members who have assisted me with this matter. Aquarius7000 is probably the member who has assisted me the most; hence her comment "I've done more than enough blah, blah in the past on this subject." Thank you for putting up with my antics, Aquarius7000!
I go along with this. Also look where the traditional ruler of Pisces is placed, Jupiter and Mars (for Aries) of course. You should be able to identify with one of the three.
Another method would be to find the charts dispositor. Take Neptune. That one is in Capricorn, where is Saturn etc. until you cannot go anymore. The end planet is the driving planet in your chart. Do the same for Mars.
I addressed both of these matters in my post before I read your comments, but I didn't want you to feel ignored.
I am early Aries rising and I just stopped dating someone who is Pisces Rising. My fist instinct was to say Pisces, but on second thought I am thinking Aries because you look very much like another friend of mine who is Aries rising. Exact same coloring and features, same type of figure. I think in your case the Moon is very important in that it really softens the hard angles of Aries, as well as the muscular body type they are known for. It's really the Moon that is confusing things I think.
Yes, I agree that the Moon is confusing things. Perhaps could you obtain permission from your friend to send me her picture through personal message? I am very interested to see what she looks like.
Can you tell us any important events that have happened over the past 6 months to a year that might help rectify your ASC? Also, any important events during your lifetime might be able to support one or the other. I would look for love and career events especially.
Yes, I've experienced quite a few important events within the past year, but I would prefer to continue this type of conversation through private message, as I'm already feeling a bit exposed.
I would say Asc in Aries.....but the chart has to have some other water influence
The only water influences in my natal chart are Aries Moon conjunct my Ascendant (I consider the Moon to bestow a water influence, even though it's in a fire sign), fourth house Chiron conjunct IC, and eighth house Pluto in Scorpio. Many people discount the Moon and Chiron, so Pluto may be a water singleton.
Really, I mean all those generational placements would give personal sense of drive and ambition. Oh, well, I've got some learning to do then, I guess. I would have expected those traits more from a 1st-house Mars or a 10th-house Saturn; not to mention their aspects to other personal planets.
I don't have a first house Mars, but I have a highly dignified tenth house Saturn in Capricorn which squares my first house Sun-Venus-Mercury conjunction in Aries. I've read that the square aspect bestows ambition, so I imagine square aspects involving a highly dignified Saturn would only magnify this effect.
I think some might be missing the Moon-on-the-Asc (Moon conj the strongest angle makes it a forerunner as far as strength goes) bit for all that water, feminine curves and sweetness that seems to be coming across. This placement can be just as Piscean sorts as a Piscean Rising itself.
I agree, Aquarius7000. Should I bold this part of my first post, or try to include it in the poll question?
I also agree with Natasa that a Piscean Rising by itself would give quite a bit of a lost, dreamy, even enigmatic or puzzled look. Now consider the combi of a Piscean Rising + Moon on the Asc here; wow that should be someone really dreamy, lost, and usually living in another world to say the least. To me and from my experience, this combi doesn't fit in this case, but I've done more than enough blah, blah in the past on this subject so better be off now.
I am not certain if you are referring to your experience with me on the forums or your experience with others who have a similar combination of astrological traits, but please keep in mind how one presents oneself on the forums may differ from how one presents oneself face-to-face. I have third house Mars in Gemini, and this is the astrological placement I tend to project on the forums. Yet it is easier for me to express confidence and self-assertion when I am not in the same room with a person, when I am communicating through an indirect medium such as a keyboard and a computer screen. We cannot witness others' immediate reactions to online sparring except through what the messages we type. I will be the first to admit that I am guilty of composing messages in the "heat of the moment," so to speak, but you have not witnessed how I've agonized over my actions during private moments. Yes, I am everything you think I am--good, bad, and indifferent--but I'm also extremely sensitive. I apologize to anyone whom I've offended in the past.
I would say Aries Asc...
No matter what the smile says or how feminine your curves are, you have the erectness of the head, and the piercing eyes. I bet you have never let any kind of equivocal to any interlocutor you ever had. Normally I trust the eyes: the eyes are "the window to the soul".
Perhaps I'm experiencing a "dumb blonde" moment here, or perhaps my rational mind has been swept away in a tide of lunar emotion. Nevertheless, can you please explain your comment, "I bet you have never let any kind of equivocal to any interlocutor you ever had"?
But apart from all reliable methods of confirming one's Asc, how do you really feel? In the most awkward moments? What is the first to cross your mind when you are caught in an uncomfortable situation? The first to cross the mind of an Aries Asc is already acted out before any kind of rationalization, and Aries Asc does not even care about analyzing or justifying it... Maybe he/she will, but only afterwards, and for reasons imposed and in the most assertive way. The speed of reaction is unique. Note down the way two people from your friends or family circle, the ascendants of whom you already know, react: an Aries ascending and a Pisces ascending: there is no way of confusing them... They are incomparable.
These are crucial questions, which I will ponder--or perhaps this is an unwise decision, for the mind tends to obscure what should be clear distinction. Nevertheless, this post is much too long, so I will answer your questions in a later post.
Arian Maverick