Man missing from cycling event in Oregon

claudette

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This is a heartbreaking story-of course all missing person stories are-and I'm hoping folks will weigh in, as so many did when Kyron Horman disappeared last year. (Still no news on his fate.)

Mark Bosworth, 54, married, two dtrs, went missing during a week-long cycling event in Southern Oregon. He'd volunteered for many years as a support person. Several people mentioned he seemed "off" during the race, perhaps complications from two bouts of non-Hodgkins Lymphoma and his wife had noticed changes in his behavior in the past weeks and had made a Dr. appt for after the race.

He was last seen at 11:15 pm Sept. 16 in Riddle OR. Someone saw a man possibly fitting his description hitchhiking on a nearby road. Searchers have scoured the area, including a nearby river.

I don't know much horary, and understand charts like this, where we don't know the person are iffy, at best. I know there are different approaches as to the significator of the missing person. I calculated a chart for the time I asked the question: Where is Mark Bosworth? and for the time he was last seen. I hope I can attach them; often cannot make this happen; even though I think I am following the instructions!

horary question: 9.22, 10:33 am, Portland OR. Last seen: 9.16, 11:15 pm Riddle OR.

One method used venus as significator, so I looked at that, and did some calculations in an effort to be in anyway helpful, here. Venus is 9 libra 28,in the 11th applying to saturn 17 libra 38 in the 12th house. Own sign is positive, right? But applying to saturn, not so good? Antiscion (something hidden and John Frawley suggests always looking at it, is 20 pisces 32; conj. ceres 22 pisces 7R, on the cusp of 5th house, retrograding into 4th. POF would be 6 virgo 51, and POD would be 13 cancer 37 using Asc, 8th, moon, or 26 leo 23 using 8th, saturn, moon.

The moon quincunxes retrograde neptune then sextiles sun in virgo before leaving cancer; then conjuncts mars in leo at 2 leo 14.

Does this have any significance? Retro jupiter is on the Descendant, 7th house.
Any help is appreciated-and forgive my horary fumblings!

OK, couldn't upload the files. I saved them as a txt. file but when I select them they are listed as a mht. file and "invalid file". I have no idea why this is happening. Sorry.

If someone could attach the charts with their comments that would be great.
 

claudette

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I found more instructions on uploading: will try again on Mark Bosworth!
 

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claudette

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Please, anyone? The authorities called off the search several days ago. Their extended family and some volunteers are still searching.

The time on the Last Seen chart may be off-I read another source that said 11:30-which definitely puts the moon in the 12th-more fitting for a missing person?

There's a blogspot: findmarkbosworth.blogspot. com, I think it is, with photos and even a map of the area that has been searched.

Please, could someone help here? The poor guy was disoriented, perhaps experiencing a reoccurrance of cancer he'd beat twice before.
 

Inquisag

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The chart you attached for "last seen" has a September 19 date. I attached a Sideral chart, Koch houses.

Per Anthony Louis, Lily advised using the first house for missing persons. The first house is ruled by Mercury. Mercury is in the 11th house, a place where one hopes or wishes to be. Southeast house, east sign (Leo). Mercury's only applying aspect is a trine to the Moon. Mercury is not debilitated, nor are any of the other planets at a critical degree. Saturn, the ruler of the 4th house is conjunct the ascendant. It stops the progress of something that is wished for.

Looking at the other chart, again using Lily's method, the first is ruled by Venus. Venus is in the 11th as was Mercury in the other chart. Venus is in its fall and makes one applying aspect to Saturn, ruler of the 4th. Saturn is in the 12th house of confinement and in the same degree as the true node, indicating a crisis. The moon is at a critical degree and its last aspect is a sextile to Saturn.

I am sorry to say that it appears Mark may have fallen into a place where he was hidden from sight, southeast and then east of where he was.
 

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fensi88

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Becuase you are not in relation with him I use 7 house for him and ruler is Ve in its own sign, meaninig he is quite well. His ruler is not alone in his 5 house, so he is with one man/Su and one young person/Me probably his lover (Me is ruler of 5 house, his ruler in 5 house). His ruler is in conjunction with Vindemiatrix fixed star, which means trouble through love affairs, danger of scandal. Part of death ( 17 VIR 43) is ruled by Me, Ve did not have separate aspect with it, and Ve did not have separate aspect with Ju, ruler of his turned 8 house, so he is alive.
He can be at some places of entertainment, hotels, motels, theatres, beauty salons, dressmakers, art galleries, or furniture stores, boutique or some charitable organisations.

Direction: South by East
Near colour:blue, white

POF is in his 4 house meaning he is still in his country. Vi describe some of these places:doctor's office, health spa, nursing home, dry cleaners, grocery store, accountant's office, pharmacy, tenant place.

Direction :South
Near colour:grey, brown
 

MaeMae

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goca! i didn't know you are fensi on this site. so glad to see your avatar and know that one of the greatest LOST/MISSING horarists I've seen is here. Spend more time here, can you please?!?!

strangely, or not so strangely, i read this post with interest because of its mention of Oregon.
Not having seen the chart, I had the immediate "hunch" that the missing biker wanted to start a new life, considering his ordeals and commitments.
another flash, after reading goca's chart was Casino and that fits in with 5th house scenario.
 

fensi88

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Spend more time here, can you please?!?!
MaeMae, thanks, I am always here but really do not know how I miss this post. But today I saw Inquisag reply so I accede and analyse chart. It seams your intuition is great...and yes, casino fits in with 5th house scenario...
 

claudette

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Hello, I am asking again about Mark Bosworth, as I am confused as to which chart to use. I originally posted with a horary chart, when I asked the question "what happened to MB?", using Regiomontanus houses. I also posted an event /last seen chart, which had the wrong date. Correct data is Sept. 16, 2011, 11:15 pm Riddle OR.

Since then Inquisag posted vedic charts for both times and dates, and Fensi offered interpretation on the horary chart.

Which charts do we use-vedic or western? If we use both, can we expct conflicting or complementary interpretations? And how do we deal with the differences of 1st house or 7th house for missing persons?

I guess this personifies my general confusion over horary-which system to use and which house to use for missing persons-especially when you don't know them. I have Frawley's book and also Anthony Lewis, which I find a little easier to understand.

I admit I question interpretations of his being with a lover, as it seems so contrary to what family, friends and co-workers say about him. He and his wife planned a London holiday for Oct. 1. I realize anyone can harbor a secret life, but it just seems so out of character for him. Does this not factor in when using horary? Background info on findmarkbosworthblog.

Also, would one ignore considerable evidence from family and friends on the ride that he had been confused and complaining of headaches for some time? His wife had urged him not to go on the ride, only aquiesed when he agreed to a Dr. appt. after the race. His Dr's came on TV in Portland, saying they feared the cancer had spread to his brain, causing his symptoms.

I corrected the last seen chart and will try to re-attach it; sometimes I cannot get it right, sorry.

Thank you, anyone, for your replies.
 

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claudette

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Oh, yeah, so happy that worked. I know protocal here is to add what you can of your interpretation, which I am happy to do, as limited as it is.

Missing person: 1st house. SN in 12th, 2 degrees conj ASC, not good : weakness, vulnerability, fated quality. Merc ruler of ASC, in 4 th house-not so good, could mean death. Moon in 12th, not so good, lost, out of touch, delusions. POF 13 Aquar in 9th, quinc Merc. not so good. POD 17 Aquar, conj POF, not good. POD is square Moon 17 Tau, 12th, and trine Saturn 5th House, Libra. (dn't know how to interpret this-events unrolled smoothly, irreversibly?)

Movement of Moon-can signify stream of events? Last aspect before event: quinc Sat, then quinc NN, trine Sun, square Nept and finally sextile Mars 28 cancer 2nd House.

Other details that may be helpful: there is a creek nearby their campground, but it was searched. Someone saw a man matching his description, heading for the highway, so there is conjecture he may have hitched ride. This was troubling as Mark was so confused he kept saying he was in other cities during the race.

Thanks again.
 

Inquisag

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I did a few side by side comparisons last year between horary sidereal and tropical charts and found sidereal to be more accurate than tropical. I think both the last seen and your question chart are needed along with Mark's natal chart. I will do another post when I have the charts in front of me.
 

claudette

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Thanks, Inqisag. I looked again, could not find a birthdate. Evidently there wasn't an obituary in the local paper, The Oregonian. Hopefully you have some other sources.

re: vedic vs tropical-that's intimiating. Frankly, I cannot fathom taking on vedic, at this point! Or do you use the same horary rules, but with the chart constructed with the vedic system?
Thanks.
 

Inquisag

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I found Mark’s blog. His birthday is April 19, 1957, Portland, Oregon (http://mark-bosworth.blogspot.com/p/about.html). All the charts I will be using are sidereal with Koch houses. The prior last seen chart I did had the wrong time, so everything I said based on that chart is wrong.

Looking at the last seen chart and using the first house as significator for Mark, Venus, ruler of 1 is in the 4th house, an earth house. Venus is in its fall in Virgo (earth), applying to an opposition to Uranus and square to Pluto. This suggests that Mark experienced a sudden event followed by a transformative event.

The 11th house Moon makes one applying aspect before leaving Aries, a trine to a 4th house Sun. Moon is ruler of the 4th house. I think this may mean that he is at rest or will be put to rest.

The Moon in the last seen chart conjuncts Mark’s natal Mercury and natal south node. Mark’s natal south node is in the same degree as the last seen chart’s 12th house.

For the horary chart, if I use Lily’s method, the significator for Mark is Venus. Venus is in the 5th house and applies to a conjunction with Saturn, but otherwise is in the same condition as in the last seen chart. This doesn’t seem radical to me. It doesn’t seem to be a proper representation of what was going on at the time.

If I use the 7th house to represent Mark, his ruler is Mars in the 3rd house. This fits more with what Mark was doing at the time (energy exertion combined with travel). However, it does not describe Mark’s physical state. Mars is exalted in Capricorn and the Moon is strong in its own sign. The Moon conjuncts Mars, trines Uranus, and squares Jupiter. I did not see any strong indication of deception here, although Mark does have a Sun opposite Neptune and Mercury square Pluto aspect in his natal chart. Still I think there should be something in the horary chart if that were the case.

If anyone else agrees with me, maybe the question should be asked again.
 

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Inquisag

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[ do you use the same horary rules, but with the chart constructed with the vedic system?
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Yes. I just select Fagan/Bradley zodiac.
 

claudette

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Inquisag, thanks for noticing his blog-I totally missed that before! Did you use midnight for natal chart as he is not a famous person? I wonder about a cap moon; he seems so much more a Sag moon: ie: musician, foodie, biking enthusiastst-which in Oregon is a rugged activity, not for the cautious, especially during many months of commuting during heavy rains and the Cycle Oregon he had done for years is very unpredictable and rigorous. Also so much personal disclosing in his blog-hardly what I would expect from a Cap moon. He would be a Sag moon if born around 12 mid-1 am and that would create a fire trine with Sun in Aries and Pluto in Leo. Just conjecture; I admit.

In horary "radical" means readable, valid-correct? I believe you had the time incorrect for your horary chart; I posted 10:30 am, and believe that is correct, based on my habits. I would have read accounts of the search in the paper in the morning and asked the question, out of curiosity., By 10:30 pm I am usually sound asleep. Using sidereal, this would make a libra ASC, Venus in the 11th, if you use 1st house for Mark. That fits with the bike trip with friends. Venus is EXACTLY quinc Jup on the DSC. Would you ignore a quinc in horary? Especially if he was on a journey (Jup) with partners (fellow bicyclists) 7th House? And Jup exactly opposite ASC, how would you interpret that?
The SN is 22 Tau 59 in the 8th-would that signify death, and the person on earth-as opposed to water-the creek? Is that close enough to ALgol to consider? Sat is ruler of 4th-would that re-enforce earth in death? When the Moon 0 Can squar Jup it also exactly sextiles Venus-what do you make of that? Do you attach some significance to the 14 degrees it travels to that point? It also quinc Pluto after it conj Moon. Do you find this significant or ignore it because it is a quinc and/or Pluto? And with the moon, do you follow its aspects until it leaves that sign as a significator of events unfolding? (Sextile Sat after Sext to Ve and Squar to Jup, then Trine NN, Sext SN, finally semi-sext Merc 29 Leo, conj Regulus-success with finding him?

I calculated POF at 10 Leo 41: it's only aspect is trine Sat. POD (using ASC+8th -Moon) is 22 Leo28, exactly square Nodes. Antiscion (Frawley: alternative placement, something hidden) for Venus is 16 Aries 6: conj Jup.

I hope I am not driving everyone crazy with questions I ask-including aspects that are traditionally not considered in horary. Risking interjecting myself too much into the discussion, I will offer as means of explanation: I have ASC and 5 planets in Gem, so I cannot help but notice any connections and ask many questions. (Yet NN in Virgo: edit it down, for Pete's sake!!) I am making fun of myself here.

Well, thanks anyone.
 

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Inquisag

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Sorry about getting the time wrong (again!). I generally stick to major aspects for horary charts. If you use the 7th house for Mark, then what Fensi88 said for the tropical chart is true for this chart also. Using Lily's suggested first house, Venus in the 11th only makes one applying aspect to Saturn at 8 degrees. The Moon is at a critical degree, but forms easy aspects.

The true node is in the same degree as Saturn, however Saturn does not conjunct Venus right away. The commotion signified by this may occur when Mark is found or returns, possibly 8 months from the time he disappeared; late spring, early summer 2012 or 8 years Sep 2019.
 

dr. farr

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In prasna marga (one of the jyotish horary approaches), lord of the ascendant (Venus) posited in the 12th bhava (by equal house or whole sign), coupled with Ketu posited in the 8th bhava, with lord of the 8th also posited in the 12th (Venus again) gives a very unfortunate prognostic.
 
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