Will I get a call from my doctor today?

starlink

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Dear friends,
I am expecting an important call from my doctor. There seems to be a health issue with me according to another doctor, and mine wanted to check first with a specialist before telling me what it was all about (serious or not).
I saw her last week wednesday and she told me she would give me a call as soon as she had spoken with the specialist.
So I would like to know if I get a call today and maybe, if not, when it could come then.

Deduction:

I am signified by Mars. Sun in this chart falls on 18° Aries, which is the exact degree of my natal Mars in Aries,so I render the chart valid.

Moon is fast and exhalted in Taurus, nice one and moves towards the part of fortune. This question does not have so much to do with possessions or anything like that so I dont know if the POF plays such an important part here.

Mars is in fall in the 4th and in terms of Mercury, natural ruler of calls, so I am indeed waiting for this call and I am in my home. (or would the home be my 10th? I am still not too clear on this one.

Now the call. Do I look at my 3rd or the doctors 3rd?

Lets start with mine. Ruled by Mercury. Mars and Mercury are in MR with one another, so that could mean a "yes". Mercury will square Mars in about 4°. Now, that does not look as a fast time measurement to me. The message could be negative (square). Mercury is in a cadent house but in a fast sign so that could mean 4 days maybe, i.o.w. not today,but maybe still this week. Would the MR help speeding it up a bit?

The Moon time measurement is totally out of course. It says when the Moon is in a fixed sign and angular house, this means month! So forget about that one! unless we take the situation in consideration as we should and know that a time measured in month is out of the question here. Then how do we count this one?
Moon will trine Jupiter, ruler of the doctors 3rd house. That might be something. Lets say 3 days.
With Mercury the moon does nothing, nor with Mars.

The doctors 3rd house, ruled by Jupiter
This looks a bit better to me. Jupiter is in the term of Mars,and angular, accidentally dignified. Message could be urgent, important, so she will call me. Jupiter is in fall, another sign maybe that what she is going to tell me is not all too fantastic.
Mars (me) will oppose Jupiter in about 6.51°,say 7 hours? Mars is angular after all and fast. 7 days would be too late.
Moon will also trine Jupiter, in 3°30, and as Moon is fast but in a slow sign, that could also strech maybe to about 7 (just my idea here;) ).

So, do we take Mercury or Jupiter? I vote for Jupiter as this shows the most likely scenario in this case. I cannot imagine she would wait much longer.
Time will tell, litterally. Will keep you all posted of course.

Interesting to notice, that her message (call) is disposed of of Saturn, and retrograde:eek: in the 6th of illness. That could again mean that the message could me a negative one, but maybe not all too bad as Regulus is conjuncting my 6th house cusp. (But Moon is approaching Algol.....) Part of Fortune falls at 21° Taurus, conjunct Algol. Which one is stronger? POF falls in term of Jupiter, so I render that one a bit stronger. The message could be bitter-sweet .

Would appreciate any views on this one. Thanks in advance! Starlink:)
 

tikana

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Hi Starlink

let's hope i am right on this

the doctor will call you in 6 days

sun rules the doctor it is entering your 1st

moon is in 1st telling us that you are very worried according to IVY

mars and jupiter are in excellent condition by exalt mr

I think you are okay ... i think the doctor is paranoid saturn rul is in her 1st house
and the co-ruler is in her 6th
sha ie cares a lot about you *maybe even loves you* and she is good at what she does check out her dignities

moon trines jupiter which rules outcome ... it looks good!

keep me posted .. I HOPE You are well!
Tik
 

starlink

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Hi there Tik, thanks for your quick reply. But is the doctor not the 7th? so she is Venus, not the Sun. She is a women by the way and indeed, we know each other for ages. I helped her with an English lecture about health (translating it from German to English) for the Intern. Womens Club, years ago. I like her a lot, trust her completely. What I like about her is that if she thinks she cannot handle the situation (operation or something like that), she will ask a more experienced doctor to do it for her. She wants to be sure about what she tells her patients.

Moon in 1, yes, I am worried which is normal I would say in this case. Also Mars going to oppose Jupiter (ruler of the 8th of worries) shows that.

What I also found typical is, that 18° Aries, where the Sun is, is conjunct my Ascendant ruler (Scorpio) natally and rules in my natal chart, the 6th house.
The Sun shows often what the question is about, but you must dig a bit at times.

Thanks Tik, cheers, Star.
 

lillyjgc

Senior Member, Educational board Editor
Ok Star, I'll have a shot (and read your delineation in detail afterwards).
As the sun is right on the ascendant I will see you as being sun in aries-mars'sign and mars is in the moon sign in your H4-the outcome.Mars is not strong in cancer but is strong by placement., and the sun was square to mars about 4 *somethings* ago- so you werent up to par back then.
Your sixth house here is ruled by Leo-hence the sun- so what rules you is a health matter and Leo being on cusp H6 is talking about heart, blood pressure, circulation etc.
The moon also rules you and is strong by house and sign here, fortuna has just conjuncted her also.
I would see the doctor as being h10-thus ruled by saturn,who is just inside your sixth of illnesses-*the Dr is *on it* and the Dr has jupiter in his house, in fall yes but strong by angularity...The moon applies a trine to jupiter in the doctors house in 3 somethings...days or weeks.
Now Saturn does not directly contact mars or the sun., but jupiter, a person(?)in the doctor's house opposes mars in 6 somethings and that is a contact.
As mars is here in the house of outcomes, I think it is this aspect that will play out in terms of time frames. About a week.
The sig of the Dr is saturn, in mercury's sign (communiques)..and house six is not only the house of illness, it is also the house of agents and emissaries.Mercury is in mars sign so again it all comes down to you. (maybe you will need to make the contact with the DR).
The moon will also sextile uranus in jupiters sign so the message might not be what you were expecting.
Another way we could look at the timing: H3 (communications) is ruled by mercury and mercury is also in your ruler mars'sign. mercury will be square your ruler mars in 3.75 somethings.Another time frame, a speedier one- 3 days.
The dr's ruler is very weak in this chart....with the agent jupiter also in fall, I'm wondering if the news will be accurate or not.
i read *somewhere* that if the Lord of the illness house be stronger than the Lord of the Asc then the illness will be hard to get rid of.In your chart, The ruler of 6 is the sun and yes the sun is strongly placed and enjoys being in aries , mars sign. Your ruler, mars, is trine to uranus and i am thinking star you may need surgery of some kind. Given the weaknesss of The Dr's sig this could be a need for a seciond opinion- I think you mentioned a specialist-so that would represent the second opinion- saturn retro-*going back to check*.
I see a chain of sextiles from jupiter in h10 to uranus and the moon to sextile uranus as well.
As the moon did sextile mars 3 somethings ago I'd say the information has been passed on already-on its way to you.Mercury is closely trine the MC here...perfected 10 *minutes* ago...
I think the contact will be made within 3 days.So I don't think you will hear anything *today*-I DO hope I'm wrong here.
All the best. (Take care Star)
Lillyjgc
 
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tikana

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Hi there Tik, thanks for your quick reply. But is the doctor not the 7th? so she is Venus, not the Sun. She is a women by the way and indeed, we know each other for ages. I helped her with an English lecture about health (translating it from German to English) for the Intern. Womens Club, years ago. I like her a lot, trust her completely. What I like about her is that if she thinks she cannot handle the situation (operation or something like that), she will ask a more experienced doctor to do it for her. She wants to be sure about what she tells her patients.

***** If you named the doctor, then it is 7.. if you didnt .. i would put in the profession .. 6th.. the exalt and high dignity explains that she is good at what she does but she is not in her own sign .. ****

Moon in 1, yes, I am worried which is normal I would say in this case. Also Mars going to oppose Jupiter (ruler of the 8th of worries) shows that.

** yepp **

What I also found typical is, that 18° Aries, where the Sun is, is conjunct my Ascendant ruler (Scorpio) natally and rules in my natal chart, the 6th house.
The Sun shows often what the question is about, but you must dig a bit at times.

Thanks Tik, cheers, Star.[/QUOTE]


let's hope you will be with a clean bill

hugs
G.
 

starlink

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Hello Lilly, thank you for looking at this. Some things do sound very true.
I also do have a feeling it will have to come to some sort of surgical intervention. In my natal chart transiting Venus (ruler of my Sun natally) is going towards my Mars (operation) on the 21st of April and is actually semi-sextiling Mercury, ruler of my 8th house natally.Mmmm......

About the doctor, she was not the one who found out about this.

The dr's ruler is very weak in this chart....with the agent jupiter also in fall, I'm wondering if the news will be accurate or not.
Very interesting observation!!
She got the report, looked at it and told me that she did not like what she read but as the doctor who did the examination was relatively new there, she thought he might have been maybe too overcautious or not entirely sure about his findings. So she then decided to consult the best specialist in this field. She knows really good people, so I just wait and trust.

I must have a look through my Frawley book and see what he does about finding doctors rulerships. 10, 7 or 6? Back to the books!

The problem is this time not about the heart, although I must say, I am still not so sure about that circulation problem of mine, I still dont like what I feel.

Thanks a lot for your help, I just hope I will hear soon and will prepare my hospital suitcase as hubby always brings the wrong stuff, poor thing!:)
Cheers, Star.
 

tikana

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Starlink

I have for 6th house
emploee, inferior, tentants, lodger, pet nurse, dentist, healer, those in sivil service, uncles, aunts

10th house
professionals!

7th ohh RATS.. i should have looked...
physician, opponets, niece, nephew

ok so who the hack are the healers if they are not doctors!? Medicine women? Naitive american doctors?

Tik
 

lillyjgc

Senior Member, Educational board Editor
Well, I chose the tenth to represent the Dr as apparently a specialist is involved..Doctors would be considered *high level professionals* I think.
As for dentistry belonging to house six....well maybe when the significations were assigned dentists were just guys with strong stomachs and a pair of good pliers!...Personally I'd assign dentists to house 10 for the same reason as Dentistry is now a high tech profession. Just a thought.
Lillyjgc
 

starlink

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Thank you girls! I had to laugh about the pliers!! In her book, Karen Hamaker explains a horary about her dentists and having to go to a new one.
She writes: a dentist falls under Mars and under the Scorpio sign, but his office falls under the 6th house (the home of the dentist as she calls it), so she apparently takes 6th house. I still have to look into Frawley.

The 10th as specialist is a good one as well, true, but my doctor is no specialist, she consults a specialist. So I put her still in the 7th and the specialist then, in the 10th. She then, Venus in 12, makes an exact inconjunct with the specialist in the 6th. How about that! She is trying to figure out what exactly is "out of joint" with the report of the younger doctor.She already did, so she must call sooner rather than later. I dont want to call her really, I will just wait. I know she would not put me at the end of the waiting list.

Thanks again! Star.
 

starlink

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OK, Frawley writes: The idea of a partnership extends to cover doctors, including alternative practitiones and astrologers, but only if the doctor is treating the illness at issue in a medical question so he is the querents partner in returning to health(this is not a medical questions!!, it is about a call). or if the astrologer (me in this case) is the one judging this horary right now (the querents partner in arriving at the truth). Would this apply to me?
Otherwise they both belong to the 9th house, as learned people.
Goodness, I am learning something here! So she could be Jupiter after all!
Lets think about this one and go back in class :)
Star.
 

starlink

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For learning purposes (did you have a look btw at Al Nablusi's thread, where she very neatly interpretes a call she got? Very interesting and educational for all) I wanted to add something.
Over lunch I studied about the Antiscion/contra A. It seems to play an important role in horary so I have to get a grip on this one.
If you take Saturn as the specialist Lilly, then his Antiscion falls conjunct my Ascendant. What can this mean? Is he also not very clear about the possible implications here (is he in the shadow ?) and therefore wants a re-check or (retrograde)? or is he keeping me in the dark? (for the time being, until he is more convinced?). Not easy to put an antiscion placement into words.

If I take Saturn retro as the message (call) from my learned physician, not the specialist) then that could show that she will delay in telling me because she herself does not exactly know whether to keep me (maybe a bit) in the dark for the time being or not.

Now about the timing. There are several possibilities of course and I feel like the one between 3 and 6 days to be the right one, not later.
So primarily one looks at querents ruler,not so much at the rulers of the 3rd house. What do you think about that? Mars and docters ruler, Jupiter I would say. No contact there, but MR by exhaltation, so that looks like a contact and Mars contacts Jup in 6° (by opposition)
Moon and Jupiter also perfect a sextile, but in 3°.

Secondly we could look for time measurement to Jupiter and Ascendant. Will she contact me. Yes, she will by square in about 1.5 days. So that is another possibility.

Any other suggestions?

I am very curious as to what day it will be. Will let you know. Cheers, Star.
 

starlink

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Small update, nothing significant yet! Today I got the Röntgen pictures back from the hospital. They were delivered to my house by special courier. This shows me that my doctor gave the pictures to them for examination and they have looked at them. So I expect that after that they will write her a report and maybe she will receive that tomorrow and then call me. That would be 3 days. I will let you know! cheers, Star.
 
Starlink,

Hi, I hope your ok and well:)

I am just wondering why you asked whether the doctor would call you today and not just when he/she would call?
I still need to get books on the subject of horary,(how are you finding Frawleys book, which did you get?) but I wonder about charts that seem to be questions of a yes and no answer.

I'm just curious.

Cheers
Kylie
 

starlink

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Thanks Kylie, well I just LOVE Frawleys horary textbook. It is the only book I have from him. I also have William Lilly's CA and 3 other books from different astrologers, one of the Anthony Louis which is also very recommendable.

I asked specifically for that day,because I really hoped she would. I guess she has to wait for the report herself, so hopefully today then. Will update when I know something.

It is always easier to thin the question down to a Yes or No answer, but not always possible to do so. I am trying out the Yes & No technique from Jones. You take the house which signifies the thing you are asking about (lets say if you ask whether you are pregnant, take the 5th) and then the opposite house, the 11th (that what opposes it). Then see if the rulers make an applying good or bad aspect and you have your answer. Retrogradation does not count here and also not debilities or special strength. Of course there is more to it than just this, but it is a start. If you get a Yes, then look the way we usually do and see if that also renders a Yes.

Cheers, Star.
 
Thanks for that Star. I am going to try that method out for a few of my own yes/ no questions. I'm just biding my time till Frawelys books arrive, I find w.Lilly so hard to understand....drives me up the wall and I have literally given up.

Bye the way, reports can take forever......so I understand your need to know. I hope they are having a good day down at the surgery and get back to you pronto.

cheers
K
 

starlink

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UPDATE everyone! Well, the doctor called on Friday at 3 minutes after 6 in the afternoon! Because the weekend was coming up I did not want to wait much longer and called the practice and asked the secretary if she could please ask the doctor to give me a call back either today or monday.

We have three different aspects which show this.

1. the Moon will trine Jupiter in exactly 3°30'. (my co-ruler to trine docter)That is 3 days and half a day. It was 7.09 in the morning. 3 days later is Friday morning 7.09 + 12 hours is actually 7 PM, quite close.

2. Mercury to square Mars takes 3°26' (the call to square Me), so this gives a bit earlier.

3. Jupiter (doc.) square Asc. in 4°.16'. This would have been Saturday, but still about the same time time (within a week).

Personally I cannot find anything which could show exactly 6.03 in this chart. So this shows again that saying something like: around this time, or in about 3 to 4 days, would be appropriate.

The doctor told me that I have nothing to be worried about:rotflmao: . She explained why they had thought there was something, but I was not really listening as I dont remember now anymore what the reason was. Anyways, I am fine and only have to do a checkup in a couple of month.:)

Thank you all for your kind replies! Cheers, Star.
 

tikana

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Starlink

WHEW! glad to hear!

Now, champaigne anyone?

so dont pack your bags!

wait a second, so i was reading your health not your doctor?!

hugs
Tik
 
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starlink

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Thanks Tik! I am wearing my new morningcoat though!!
But to come back to the exercise, because that's what it really is all about, which time measurement would you have chosen? Doctor to Ascêndant? or the other one's??
 
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