Venus-Sun Conjunctions, The Pentagram and Your M.C.

[piercethevale]

So to give my explanation for what all this means is that the people that have certain degrees in Leo, Gemin, Aries, Capricorn and Scorpio these past few years and for a few more, are having those that are the 'World Servers' step up...to rise up to the potential found in the perfect pentagram that constructs to the M.C. and to the inferior and superior conjunctions that actually occur.
Soon it will change to those with Virgo, Cancer, and Aquarius to the signs prior. That will herald in an "New Age entirely as Aries and Scorpio took over from Pisces and Libra not long ago.

"New World Servers"

Virgo's, Cancerians, Aquarians...OH MY!

[piercethevale]

I also just noticed that Jupiter and the South Node are conjunct my natal Mars today

ps...and that is Growth, Expansion, Philosophy, Brotherhood combined with the karmic Past and sitting in the 5th degree of 'Gemini"
[Rudhyar's book]

[piercethevale]

ps...and that is Growth, Expansion, Philosophy, Brotherhood from Jupiter combined with the Karmic Past emanating from the South Node of the Moon and sitting in the 5th degree of 'Gemini"
[Rudhyar's book]
(GEMINI 5°): "A REVOLUTIONARY MAGAZINE ASKING FOR ACTION.

KEYNOTE: The explosive tendency of repressed feelings and root emotions.

Every movement overstressing one direction calls forth in time an equally extreme movement in the opposite direction. This is particularly true at the level of the dualistic mind symbolized in the zodiac by Gemini. What is rigidly bound in form and convention tends to explode into formlessness. It may do so violently if socially oppressed — through revolution — or at the psychological level in psychosis; or it may withdraw inwardly into the mystical state in which one identifies with an unformulatable Reality.

This fifth stage is related to the first, for it is the experience of a world of being so far unperceived by the everyday consciousness which starts the process. In the same sense a psychedelic experience may momentarily make the mind transparent to a non-ego-structured realm of consciousness, and may lead to a sustained attempt at understanding what has been revealed of a transcendent Reality. Whether the revolutionary action is violent or peaceful, bitterly resentful or loving, the one desire is TO REACH BEYOND ESTABLISHED FORMS."


and my Mars giving it impetus in my way through my tools and trade...
Yeah Baby!

[Katydidit]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

a visual illustration of how the 'Pentagram of Venus' pattern is tracked in the skies ...

Thank you for your info trail to this.

First it took me here:
(Visual illustration of the 'Pentagram of Venus' pattern [WWW] as tracked in the skies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdPKig

Then it took me here:
(Fascinating when backed by Mercury's 6-sided pattern [WWW])
http://www.mikecrowson.co.uk/pentagram.html

So -----
Having been learning all over there, here's my next question:

Is anyone looking for connections with such WWW patterns as are here?
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2096/croppents.jpg

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ETA: change link

[piercethevale]

[I'm bringing this in from another sub-forum, Country and Place, in the Mundane sub-forum, @ http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=53027
as it pertains to this topic..the natal chart of the U.S. of A. that I mention, is one I produced and offer for consideration as to being the legitimate natal chart of the nation.]


...copied and pasted...

As to the above...I just realized President Obamas' Asc. is [by the released birth certificate that I've been saying is undeniably so ...imho... because of the symbology...]

18* Aquarius 02' 41"...and that is within 19's of a degree orb to a perfect conjunction to one of the ["Angelic"] Guardian sentry points of the M.C. of the United States.... :


Now...I'm Not Saying!...I'm just sayin'....

[piercethevale]

[...and also from the above link...]


...copied and pasted...


and I've tried to stay out of this presidential thing but looks like I'm getting dragged in by my own hand...I see that according to astrotheme's web site Mitt Romneys M.C. is 06° Aquarius 43'... & the U.S. of A.s' natal South Node is @ 06* Aquarius 35' 08" and his PoF is 07* Aquarius 27'...wow... almost one and the same ...
and Venus at 08* Aquarius 33' hmmmmmmmmmm?

Those are two pretty fine symbols to have for the M.C and PoF, like I said, they are, 'hand in hand', the "HOW" and/or the "WHY" ...which ever way he swings. [I know them both well as my North Node is O6* Aq 54' and my Hermetic Lot of Courage is 07* Aq 39']

OMG...his South Node is 05* Sagittarius 29' the semi -Quintile point to the other side of the U.S. of A.s', [...again...at 11* Capricorn 44' 18"] M.C. at 05* Sagittarius 35'.
Obamas Asc. on the one side...Mitts South Node to the other side of the U.S. of A.s' natal M.C.

I think I'd best just take this to another thread I'll start...or not... and leave any further politics out of this thread

[piercethevale]

[...and the final post from the above thread & link]


...copied and pasted...


This thing with Romney and the M.C./I.C. and the Moons Nodes is saying that it comes down to whether he is a 'Spiritually evolutionary" person or a "Spiritually involutionary" person.
See, in the first sense, he's here to be of service to the nation... or if in the other sense and meaning, then he's using the nation to serve his needs*.


* ps...I should have written it as "...His desires" ... because, as to what I did write, " ...His needs..." is acceptable pertaining to the fact that it can mean, just food and shelter... I felt it to be appropriate to not edit the sentence for the fact that it allows me to emphasize, that one does need, to 'weigh' what they've written when dealing with such abstract concepts as this one, before they post or publish anything.

[piercethevale]

Interesting note: my friend and spiritual confidante, the renowned clairvoyant, Clarisse Conner has got her 'Part of Service' [Spiritual Service] @ 18* Aquarius 29'...and that's on the Aquarian Angelic sentry degree... [and the true symbol of Aquarius is of an 'Angel pouring down succor from Heaven'...and Aquarius is, "Air Above the Earth" {see my thread, "A Runic Explanation of the Zodiac"} it is "The Water Bearer", because it is the upper atmosphere, that brings the rains, Pisces-"Water Above the Earth"...and ain't that beautiful, man?]

...so, I'm figuring as that 17* Aquar. 44' is the Sentry point then the 18th of Aquarius:
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols]

"A MAN'S SECRET MOTIVES ARE BEING PUBLICLY UNMASKED.

KEYNOTE: The difficulty for the modern individual to keep secret his private past or his deeper motives.

.... [Nowadays, the] struggle between the power of society and the rights of the individual leads in the end to the defeat of the latter. The media and innumerable governmental agencies are nearly always able to find access to remains or records of past actions... The individual whose activities have to remain unrecognized is engaged in a constant struggle; he needs the help of higher Powers as well as of the protective agencies he may have placed at his service...."

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Katydidit

Thank you for your info trail to this.

First it took me here:
(Visual illustration of the 'Pentagram of Venus' pattern [WWW] as tracked in the skies)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdPKig

Then it took me here:
(Fascinating when backed by Mercury's 6-sided pattern [WWW])
http://www.mikecrowson.co.uk/pentagram.html
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So -----
Having been learning all over there, here's my next question:

Is anyone looking for connections with such WWW patterns as are here?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/507/croppents.jpg/

...working on it...but I've got a lot of 'irons in the fire' and there's only so many hours in a day...

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

Okay...now picture this. over lay the two pentagram matrices and this is what you have between points going around ...say from Aries 0* to Gemini 12*, to Gemini 18*, to Leo 24* ,to Virgo 0*, to to Scorpio 6*, to Scorpio 12*, to Capricorn 18*, to Capricorn 24*, and back to Aries 0*.

The pattern is 6* followed by 66*...all around the circle...
6 66?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQLtMaJLvs

...what you then eventually have is a 60 sided polygon...and that's 12 pentagrams...? hmmmmmmmmm?

[piercethevale]

I decided to use an example as to what I mean about using your degree and signs Sabian symbology to understand this 'Life Plan' outline that a perfectly symmetrical pentagram constructed as to the M.C. sign and degree does indeed illustrate.

It's late hear and I don' want to get into some long post like I did last night [and ended up watching the sunrise and not finally going to bed until almost noon] So I'm just going to but the title description of the Sabian symbol for each of the 5 degrees and also Dane Rudhyar's noted, 'Keynote" observation on the symbolism...and possibly the key word and maybe a word or two from the text on the definition by Rudhyar in his book, "An Astrological Mandala".
I choose to use the M.C. from the chart I've proposed to be that of the M.C. of the USA just for kicks here...if it gets 'shot down' by members of the forum...then I'll have had my best shot at getting you all to actually come out and say "Aye' or "Nay" to this chart I've been proposing..and then I'll find a chart M.C. as from an individual well known to have been born at that time so stated and also has a well documented public life to which questions can be referred to.
I was going to do this at a thread on this natal chart I'm proposing, but I figured I could get two birds with one bait here... maybe.

the M.C. of the natal chart I propose is the legitimate and only natal chart for the nation of the U.S. of A. @ 12:00:01 am July 4, 1776 at Freedom Hall, Philadelphia, Penns. is 11* Capricorn 44' i.e. the 12th deg. of Cap[ibid.]

"AN ILLUSTRATED LECTURE ON NATURAL SCIENCE REVEALS LITTLE-KNOWN ASPECTS OF LIFE.

KEYNOTE: The ability to explore unfamiliar realms and discover the laws underlying the complex processes of nature."
[The garden of Aristocrats in a a previous symbol in the Traditional Astrologers direction of procession] has become the laboratory and lecture hall of a modern college. The emphasis here is on the acquisition of extensive knowledge, the satisfaction of intellectual curiosity. [Beware though, as there can just as easily be] an aristocracy of science: [This is a 'Modern Problem, relatively speaking]. Its use of acquired knowledge can pose as many problems as the use of hereditary aristocratic wealth. But it is man's essential function to become fully conscious of all life forms and processes on this earth. Mankind is the conscious mind of the planet.

At this second stage the intellectual search for empirical knowledge contrasts with the display attendant to the wealth and culture of an elite. Civilization is founded on an ever-extended capitalization on knowledge and use of technology. It features EXPLOITATION preeminently at all levels."

Note: I did emphasize this key phrase as to be one of noted concern to any 'Yanks' among the members who i feel and think will recognize it's significance for the same reasons I have, as well... as to being that of the type of 'Capitalism' that the USA should ever consider to be of importance for the common interest and good of all citizens. That phrase:
"Capitalization on Knowledge"

cont.
next in the 'Spiritually Evolutionary' direction of procession, [i.e. Clock wise]
29* Libra 44', the 30th deg. of Libra:

[piercethevale]

next in the 'Spiritually Evolutionary' direction of procession, [i.e. Clock wise]
29* Libra 44', the 30th deg. of Libra: [ibid.]

"THREE MOUNDS OF KNOWLEDGE ON A PHILOSOPHER'S HEAD.

KEYNOTE: The fulfillment of man's power of understanding at whatever level of existence the person operates.
A true philosopher is a man who is able to "understand," not merely "know," the processes of life as he comes to experience them directly. He is the man of wisdom, different indeed from the man of science; for while there must be knowledge before understanding, knowledge alone can be both barren and destructive of wisdom. ... Number 3 always indicates a state of completion....The symbol implies a fulfillment of philosophical understanding...

...true wisdom transcends cultural values and is rooted in the essential nature of Man. What is at stake here is A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO KNOWLEDGE, based on universals.

[piercethevale]

17* Leo 44', i.e. the 18th deg. of Leo:[ibid.]

"A CHEMIST CONDUCTS AN EXPERIMENT FOR HIS STUDENTS.

KEYNOTE: In inquiring into the hidden process of nature, the human mind experiences the thrill of discovery.

Here we reach the level of intellectual analysis and the human ability to control natural processes. This ability is based on the inherited knowledge acquired by a community of men, generation after generation. The symbol stresses this fact, as it presents a teaching situation. [The nation is demonstrating it's achievements and demonstrates it as such as for the the purpose of obtaining and establishing it position for the legitimate geo-political recognition but also for the demand of respect. The nations citizenry being of any and many an] ancestral chain which his activity prolongs into the future.

[At this point in the procession of the pattern] we see man, as an agent of the collectivity of human beings, approaching nature in terms of the possibility of transforming it in order to satisfy his needs or his wants. At the highest level of this activity one can speak of ALCHEMY." [and at it's lowest...well...need i say it? ptv]

[piercethevale]

05* Gemini 44', i.e. the 6th deg. of Gemini: [ibid.]


"WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL.

KEYNOTE: The avidity for that knowledge which ensures wealth and power.

This ... can be referred to the insatiable drive of modern man for power and wealth...[But in the Higher Spiritual understanding and applicationas to the 7th deg. of Gemini which is next symbol in that order of procession ... This symbol may be understood to be that of a simile of symbology to represent] the attempt to penetrate to the deep layers of the collective Unconscious and to reawaken the powers of the archaic psyche which once flourished — ...[examples are ] in the true ceremonial magic of the tribal world, ... the adepts of the fabled Atlantis, [even] the shamans and witch doctors of more recent times...
... [ Gemini is a sign defined as one of] insatiable curiosity and avidity for knowledge... [it is a veritable symbolic signification of a Human animal as in contrast to many of the others of the Zodiac signs, such as Aries or Leo, as for examples] One [of the two siblings] tends to seek power and knowledge from the ancient past, [the other wishes to ] discover a living source of strength and wisdom [of which the next symbol is a demonstrative representation of] "

[piercethevale]

23* Pisces 44', i.e. the 24th deg. of Pisces: [ibid.]


"ON A SMALL ISLAND SURROUNDED BY THE VAST EXPANSE OF THE SEA, PEOPLE ARE SEEN LIVING IN CLOSE INTERACTION.

KEYNOTE: The need to consciously accept one's own personal limitations in order to concentrate one's energies and to live a centered and fulfilled life.

[Apparently, contrary to the old adage, 'Every Man and Woman alike IS AN ISLAND!?!']The ego fulfills a necessary function, as it sets boundaries and gives a specific character to the consciousness. In time, [they] ... expand, [and may even possible evolve into] a zone of intense interchange between the inner and the outer, between the individual and the community, between man and the universe.

[This is symbolically stating that the first obligation of being responsible to ones'] obligations ,or 'duty',as to any one or pair, couple, community, or nationwide aggregate citizenry of any one of, or of all men, [and or] women, is to be truly what they are as an individual or as a society collectively]
[all individuals, as well as an entire nation, have] a particular dharma,[Everyone as a person and every nation as an entity has a role to play and a position in the Act and Scene in the Play of Human Drama] and all eventually will come to realize their oneness within the whole Earth, which includes everything. ... Keyword [could be said to be that of] CENTRALIZATION."

[piercethevale]

The next upcoming Sun/Venus conjunction is almost upon us. It will be on March 28th this month and it will be a Superior conjunction. In the listing of the anticipated conjunctions with the apprx degrees of location I was off by a number of minutes of a degree and the event will happen at 08* Aries 10' 35", the 9th degree of Aries and not the 8th as I had thought.
Of additional note and interest is that Uranus will also be conj. the Sun and Venus on this occasion being at 08* Aries 28' 11".
This degree of Aries is where Uranus was on April 2, 03 A.D. [or C.E. if you prefer] Yeshu'a/Jesus was born according to Edgar Cayce as to which I've done considerable research over the last 40 plus years and do concur.
There is something about this 9th degree of Aries that seems to scream out for attention. At that time in the year 3 A.D. Lilith was in the 14th degree of Aries and the Sun was in the 12th...just shy of the 13th degree of Aries at the time of the event.
In 1761 when Uranus was in the 9th degree of Aries, Saturn and Jupiter were conj. in the 13th degree of Aries...in late April 1845 when Uranus had just entered the 9th degree of Aries Jupiter and Pluto were conj. on the 21st and 23rd degree of Aries ...which was also conj. the USA natal charts Asc. in the 22nd deg. of Aries [for the zero hour, July 4, 1776 Philadelphia chart.]
When Pluto was discovered Uranus was at 09* Aries 02'.
This March 28th on this event Mars will be at 12* Aries 42'.
The humdinger of all this is that there will be a Sextile YOD involving Saturn, Pluto and Jupiter conj. the event Asc. [for my locale] it is emphasizing the 12th degree of Sagittarius ...a very profound Sabian symbol is found at that degree. I is very similar to the Sabian symbol for the 23rd degree of Libra where my natal Saturn is placed. As I have become very convinced of Sun rites [Mantras, Pujas and the like] these past 13 years and am a loyal practitioner of them daily I find those two degrees and their Sabians to be most delightful.
[From Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"]:
Sagittarius 12* "A FLAG TURNS INTO AN EAGLE; THE EAGLE INTO A CHANTICLEER SALUTING THE DAWN.

KEYNOTE: The spiritualization and promotion of great symbols of a New Age by minds sensitive to its precursory manifestations.

In the background of this strange allegory we can recognize the deep-seated belief that the American nation and its basic democratic institutions were constituted to be the cradle for a new step in human evolution. The "flag" is the abstract symbol of the nation; it becomes an "eagle" — another U.S. symbol — when the concept is made alive by bold and transcendent action. The eagle symbolizes spiritual will and the power to rise to the highest possible altitude of consciousness and purpose. Flying at such an altitude, the eagle is the first living creature to perceive the rising sun. Having perceived it, it heralds it — and by so doing is identified with the crowing chanticleer, who had convinced himself that his resonant cry was responsible for the rise of the sun and the coming of a new day.

This second stage symbol contrasts with the first in that it is completely future-oriented. It speaks of "peak experiences" instead of the wisdom found in the organismic depth of the body- consciousness. It urges us to bring our noblest ideals to actual life through the power of the spiritual will. A Keyword might be ANNUNCIATION."