i found these methods and used them:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41874
Hi - I would look at 3 ruler to test whether the info/promise you've been made is true or false.
It's preferable to have the angles of the chart in Fixed signs and for 1st, 3rd and Moon and Moon's dispositor in Fixed signs too. If these rulers are in angles and in fixed signs they will show solidity.
[You wouldn't take Mercury as a general ruler as you might when asking about documents or papers or letters or emails etc because Mercury is a bit of trickster by nature ... ]
Here, you've got the Moon in Libra, not Fixed. Nor are the angles in Fixed signs - so that's two negatives.
Moon's dispositor is Venus - in Fixed Scorpio - so a 'yes'.
3 ruler is the Sun and has just moved into Scorpio - so this is Fixed and would be a 'yes'.
Another way you could look at it is to see how well dignified the other person is. Saturn, 7 ruler, is exalted so that would seem to be another positive. That would be a total of 3 positives against 2 negatives using the method above. Can I say, you'd rarely get everything positive anyway!
In case you were wondering if you'd use his 3rd, no, you wouldn't - it's your 3rd that is used because it's YOUR info that you're testing - the info that's been given to YOU, not his.
Another planet that could be used is 9 ruler, an indicator of truth or not because there's a kind of prediction in his 'Maybe one day ...' and you can test predictions with 9 ruler or 9th House planets etc. plus the fixity applies again. Here, there's no malefics in the 9th House - so, again, all would seem to be positive. 9 ruler is Saturn disposed by Venus which is in a Fixed sign. We've already established Saturn is in his Exaltation - so positive again. I would judge that when he made you the promise, he was telling the truth.___
Here, you've got the Moon in aries, not Fixed. Nor are the angles in Fixed signs - so that's two negatives.
Moon's dispositor is mars - not Fixed virgo - so a 'no'.
3 ruler is Fixed and would be a 'yes'.
Another way you could look at it is to see how well dignified the other person is. Saturn, 7 ruler, is exalted so that would seem to be another positive. That would be a total of 2 positives against 3 negatives using the method above.
Another planet that could be used is 9 ruler, an indicator of truth or not because there's a kind of prediction in his 'Maybe one day ...' and you can test predictions with 9 ruler or 9th House planets etc. plus the fixity applies again. Here, there's no malefics in the 9th House - so, again, all would seem to be positive. 9 ruler is Saturn disposed by Venus which is not in a Fixed sign. We've already established Saturn is in his Exaltation - so positive again.
maybe he was being truthful?
If I used "is the rumour true" method.
Look at lord of ascendant = Mercury succadent and fixed
Moon = cadent and in 12th house and mutable sign
depositor of Moon, Mercury
Lot of truth cadent
Ah though, all angles are mutable! Not a good sign for truth.
Look at lord of ascendant = moon angle and not fixed
Moon = angle and in 10th house and mutable sign
depositor of Moon, mars
Lot of truth cadent
Ah though, all angles are mutable! Not a good sign for truth.
here is an example of rumors
take rumor as 3rd house .. because it is news sort of
Lord of 3rd is the rumor itself.
If lord of 6th house *4th from 3rd* is not aspecting Lord of 3rd - the rumor is false.
Here is 2nd method
In your chart
Mars ruler of 3rd
is NOT aspecting to Jupiter
The rumor is FALSE
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take rumor as 3rd house .. because it is news sort of
Lord of 3rd is the rumor itself.
If lord of 6th house *4th from 3rd* is not aspecting Lord of 3rd - the rumor is false.
Here is 2nd method
In your chart
sun ruler of 3rd
is aspecting to Jupiter
The rumor is true
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35932
To me, the question is a straightforward "is he telling the truth?" matter, so I shall use the Lot of Truth & Falsity as primary significator for delineation of the question:
-HIS Lot of Truth/Falsity (using the sensitive degree of the 7th rather than the ascending degree, because we want to know if HE is telling the truth) = 7th (in this case)+moon-mercury, falls @ 3 Pisces
-his significator (7th house under Aries) = Mars
: Mars flows away from the LOTF = - testimony
: Sun-universal significator of TRUTH-flows away from the LOTF = - testimony
: LOTF posited in chart's cadent 6th house and in HIS cadent 12th house = - testimony
All testimonies regarding the LOTF are -: my delineation is that he was not being truthful in his statement to the querent.
-his lot of truth/falsity falls @ 5 pisces
-his significator = saturn
saturn flows to the lotf = + testimony
-sun-universal significator of truth flows to the lotf = + testimony
lotf posied in the chart's cadent 9th and in his 3rd(my 9th of truth) = + testimony
he was being truthful?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38973
-you = 1st house = Leo = Sun
-he = 7th house = Aquarius = Saturn
Now this question is about his honesty, and how he thinks of you, so we'll center on the signifying houses from HIS (ie the chart's 7th house) perspective:
-you (Sun) are in HIS 7th house of relationships and the SUn is dignified here in its rulership of Leo = + testimony (+ = indication of his honesty)
-you (Sun) flow toward his significator, Saturn
-HIS co-significator, the Moon (following Ibn Ezra here) flows toward you (the Sun) which = + testimony
-his significator, Saturn is posited in HIS 9th house (house of truth and falsity) in its exaltation in Libra = + testimony
-the lord of HIS house of honesty (his 9th house) is Venus; Venus flows toward you (the Sun) and is not combusted (by the combustion degree area I follow) which = + testimony; notice further that Venus is only 9 minutes away from your house (the first house and sign, Leo)
-however, Venus is in a pitted degree (blocked degree) of Cancer which = - testimony, but is within 9 minutes of leaving this pit (notice that you, the Sun, are also in a pitted degree of Leo-this I think shows your doubts, and further I think he realizes your doubts about him-that's his 9th house lord, Venus, in its pitted degree, and it could be that this doubting situation might be a somewhat blocking influence in this developing relationship)
-his "ascending degree" (26 Aquarius) is in a Bright Degree of that sign which = + testimony
-me = 1st house = moon
-he = 7th house = saturn
-HIS co-significator, the Moon (following Ibn Ezra here) flows away from me (the Sun) which = - testimony
-his significator, Saturn is posited in HIS 10th house and in its exaltation in Libra = + testimony
-the lord of HIS house of honesty (his 9th house) is mercury; mercury flows toward me (the moon) and is combusted = + testimony
-however, mercury is in a pitted degree (blocked degree) which = - testimony
notice that he,saturn, are also in a pitted degree of Libra-this I think shows his doubts, and further I think you realizes his doubts about you-that's his 9th house lord, mercury, in its pitted degree, and it could be that this doubting situation might be a somewhat blocking influence in this developing relationship)
+2 testimonies -2 testimonies maybe he was being truthful?
when will he tell me the truth?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44495
I'll delineate this using the Lot of Truth (ascendant+moon-mercury) and the Lot of Rectitude (ascendant+mars-mercury)
-"he" = 7th house = Pisces = Jupiter significator
-Lot of Truth falls @ 11 Aquarius
-Lot of Rectitude (seeing and doing what is right) falls @ 7 Gemini
-Lot of Truth is in cadent 6th house = - testimony
-Lot of Rectitude is in angular 10th house (+) but in same sign as disruptive SN (-) so this = net neutral testimony
-"he" (Jupiter) flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
-"he" (Jupiter) flows toward the Lot of Rectitude = + testimony
-Sun (arbiter of Truth) flows toward the Lot of Truth and also toward the Lot of Rectitude = + testimonies
-Lot of Truth falls in a pitted degree of Aquarius = - testimony
-significator of Lot of Truth (Saturn) is in succedent 2nd house (neutral) but in its sign of exaltation (+) = net + testimony
-significator of Lot of Rectitude (Mercury) is in detriment (-) but in angular 4th house (+) = net neutral testimony
-"he" = 7th house = Pisces = Jupiter significator
-Lot of Truth falls @ 8 Aquarius
-Lot of Rectitude (seeing and doing what is right) falls @ 5 leo
-Lot of Truth is in cadent 6th house = - testimony
-Lot of Rectitude is cadent and in 12th house (-) = - testimony
-"he" (Jupiter) flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
-"he" (Jupiter) flows toward the Lot of Rectitude = + testimony
-Sun (arbiter of Truth) flows away from the Lot of Truth and toward the Lot of Rectitude = + testimony and - testimony
-Lot of Truth falls in an elevated degree of Aquarius = + testimony
-significator of Lot of Truth (Saturn) is in succedent 2nd house (neutral) but in its sign of exaltation (+) and retro = + testimony and - testimony
-significator of Lot of Rectitude (sun) is in exaltion (+) = +testimony
Indications from this result are that this is a toss-up, maybe the truth will be discovered and he will take the right thought and action (rectitude), maybe not.
every method's answer is different??
i didn't find more posts about the future (only dr. farr) when or if he will tell the truth