An Artist in the Making

[FarEastUranus]

"Divine Discontentment" - regarding Neptune

Taken directly from Steven Arroyo's book Astrology, Karma, and Transformation

C.E.O. Carter has likewise found these aspects with Neptune to be more indicative of artistic creativity and spiritual progress than the so-called "easy" aspects with Neptune...

...The inharmonious combinations are frequently found in the nativities of great artists. Although the good aspects of these two planets are naturally more favorable for happiness and easy conditions, it seems that, so far as achievement, moral character, and artistic ability go, the inharmonious aspects are in no way inferior to them; in fact, they may be better as they produce more energy.

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[Claire19]

Creativity belongs with Leo and the 5th house often. However Venus will show artistry, a sense of harmony and colour especially in Libra.
there are many combinations that show artistry but Venus needs to be prominent and the Sun has to show potential also.

[geminimoon83]

I have been studying art, drawing, painting, and music since I was a kid. They say Neptune opposite Moon can make you artistic, but the loser in relationships. Using the Equal House chart I have Neptune in the 12th opposing both my moon and venus, Venus trine Saturn, Moon in 6th house (Gemini), Sun, Chiron, and Mars in 5th house, Venus trine Midheaven, and Saturn sextile Neptune. I think all signs have their own creativity, but the most talented always seems to be Pisces. Sagittarius is also very unique and creative.

[Matie]

Originally Posted by geminimoon83

They say Neptune opposite Moon can make you artistic, but the loser in relationships.

precisely I have Moon in 1st house opposition Neptune in House 7th

I also have Venus in house 1 opposition Uranus in house 7th

[whatfor]

I also have Sun square Neptune, and I do find that my approach to most problems are very different than most. so, recognition is not really forth coming, very frustrating.

[ca11]

You have a magical 4 way conjunction of venus and mars (if this wasn't godlike enough) and with the mystical neptune uranus conjunction. You are bound for creativity and artwork and should try your hand at all fields. Your squares bring alot of lack of control in your life. Purification and meditation are paths you should follow, don't be afraid of your subconscious. I think you are a beautiful woman and we should all envy you (hah). Also, you can see your birthdate based on the slow moving planets, despite wishes to conceal them... You should be a good astrologer. The disharmony you face subconciously should be confronted, as I said, through meditation and purification.

[Nacho]

in my opinion there's no correct chart for being a good drawer, i guess the style of the artist depends what planets are in the fore front, mars for military artists, venus for artists of love, saturn for artists using dark colors or no colors at all, and so on.

[ImNotThere9]

XD my case is exactly backwards. I was precocious in writing and ultimately shifted to drawing. Maybe if we compare our charts there can be a key.[/QUOTE]


Well, Venus is conjunct the Ascendant in your chart while it is opposed in mine. I can see the writing in my chart but not the drawing in yours. The moon is in Cancer in your chart and receives a trine from Jupiter, which in turn is conjunct your MC in Pisces. Maybe this confers some visual imagination. What do you think yourself?

[surrealsuburb123]

@FarEastUranus, That's very interesting! Is any of your grandfather's works online or in a place where I can access it? I'm interested in listening!

[ashriia]

Espi,

I think your sextile from 2 house to 12th. Moon - Mercury is a marker for being able to express your emotions artistically.

I did not see this mentioned here yet.

I also have moon sextile mercury. And i've been sketching since i was a wee thing.


your sketches are beautiful too!

[Fawx]

Greetings

I have been following this thread and find it very interesting. I too am drawn to the arts and am an artist but have only recently started to refine my skills as I do not have an artistic background.

Great Thread!

[Jesusistheway]

Originally Posted by Cascada

I heard about the Sun square (or opposite) Neptune too. I also have this aspect. Apparently it makes us crave to be something big? I guess it means that we crave for fame/recognition.

**** so no wonder so that's where that comes from

Neptune and Jupiter is in my 12th house. Neptune's chaotic in my chart. Its at a critical degree. All I do is escape and fantasize until I get to work on my music. And when I'm at work I like to escape from helping people but when I help people I am Neptunian themed again (grrr). I even dreamt I visited Neptune and a translucent water being wanted to grant me a wish it was the most mind blowing trippy experience ever! I loved the dream though. The trap of Neptune. Its a mixed blessing. I would say Cascada you exude Venusian qualities, is your sitting alone or at a critical degree? And Martian like qualities too, I don't know that's my vibes.
My past life reports say I was an artist ooohh wow. Now I'm a musician. I have the Sun, Venus, and Mercury in the 5th house and Pluto trines almost every planet but because its so easy I'm lazy and pathetic over it. I need structure!!! Or better yet a mentor. If I had a mentor I would be sooooo happy. But I don't I thought I had one in music and she made me feel really bad about me not improving over sight reading so I left the jazz band. Truth is my eyesight was poor and still is. Now that's because of my moon in pisces that I was sensitive and left. Its so frustrating I have good ideas but they don't materialize often yet when they do it comes out okay or sometimes great. Btw, I am a real good drummer, half decent guitarist, not even a good drawer , a good lyricist not great, and a 1/4 decent vocalist. So I would like to know where the drums come from?? I am airy yet isn't the earth ruling it??? Is it a Martian thing? So mine's in Scorpio in the 9th house actually conjunct Saturn and Pluto is there too (Koch house system). Uranus rules my 10th house and ASC in Aquarius & I'm a Uranus singleton. Its crazy I have so many ideas no money or mentors Hardly any support. I have like three really crazy good movie ideas, a good invention with bad credit, and music gear with no car. I think its my location, gotta move house and city!!!
Cascada I think you have really good aspects you should find out what you like and stick to one thing so your an expert at it. Learn from me you can do whatever you like but just don't spread yourself too thin or you'll end up not having a niche or expertise in the field of art. I should study percussion more but its really difficult and I keep making excuses for myself

[Jesusistheway]

Let's face it espi you have the talent now you should look to saturn to get you to practice, practice, and practice and be patient till its how you want it to be. Everyone has a charism a gift if you will its how you use. I am so pathetic I haven't used mine for anything but for choir and it was so brief Anyway practice away and share it with the world, its great!

[GoatKidd]

Hi espi,
Painting has been my passion since high school and I've often considered a career as an artist. I currently work in an art-related field although my job is more related to the healing aspects of Neptune, rather than the artistic ones in this case.

I have Venus conjunct Neptune- both in the 10th house conjunct my MC)
Venus and Neptune on the MC can mean a career in the arts.
Also Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and they are conjunct which speaks of an idealistic nature.
I also have Moon in Leo in the fifth house which symbolizes a deep need to create and express myself.
One of the reasons I don't take the leap into pursuing art as my career has to do with my Venus-Neptune conjunction being inconjunct to my 5th house Leo Moon. There is frustration there and emotional dissatisfaction with my talents.

Hope that helps!

[Zarathu]

Do you just want to be an artist, or do you want to be successful? What kind of envronment do you want to work at as an artist?

Its not as simple as heretofore portrayed. You need to know if you have the aptitude for this; what kind of artist work environment you need, and if you can be successful(in your eyes) at it.

All of these things have to be looked at in your natal and progressed charts to determine whether and what kind of art might be in your future. Portrait painting is art, but unless you are pretty famous, you own't make any money, and if making money is success to you, then portrait art is not your art. Maybe working in a large corporation as an illustrator in the art department, or designing web pages or, or, or, or....

All this has to be looked at. IMO, simply saying Venus because Venus rules art is short sighted and innacurate.

[FarEastUranus]

Originally Posted by Zarathu

Do you just want to be an artist, or do you want to be successful? What kind of envronment do you want to work at as an artist?

Its not as simple as heretofore portrayed. You need to know if you have the aptitude for this; what kind of artist work environment you need, and if you can be successful(in your eyes) at it.

All of these things have to be looked at in your natal and progressed charts to determine whether and what kind of art might be in your future. Portrait painting is art, but unless you are pretty famous, you own't make any money, and if making money is success to you, then portrait art is not your art. Maybe working in a large corporation as an illustrator in the art department, or designing web pages or, or, or, or....

All this has to be looked at. IMO, simply saying Venus because Venus rules art is short sighted and innacurate.

Being an artist is a calling. How good you are or how much money you can make (two separate things) depend on God, destiny, or whatnot. These things should never change your commitment to art.

For an artist, the need to self-express overrides the need to sleep, eat, or have a steady income.

Some people just make a career or a business out of art. They are no different from corporate CEO's, bankers, or IT engineers, only that their medium is a canvas, or a sculpture, and they hire 100 assistants to do it (Jeff Koons, Damian Hirst), etc.

I met an assistant of Jeff Koons in NYC. He is the sculptor-behind-the-scene, graduate of Parsons, has to be responsible for sculptural pieces for Koons. Each sculptor is responsible for one commission and is in charge of a small team. Koons has 100 people working for him, all of whom receive a decent NYC salary and health insurance. He signs all the artwork. Who's the artist here?

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by espi3479

What aspects and or house would a planet be placed in to give an individual the talent of an artist or good drawer?

I am guessing it would have something to do with the planet Neptune or Uranus and or Pisces and the 12 house? I could be wrong.

Any thoughts?

5th house of creativity. Drawing and artistry would belong with Venus for harmony and beauty and depending on the type of talent, then perhaps Saturn for form and structure, working with stones and gems . and the Sun for bling and shine. Leo planets also lend to creativity and the expression of ego for fun and recreation. Neptune is one for filmy and soft expression, subtle and using water or oil paints and photography. The 12th house would be for working in private, perhaps spiritual subjects and being in retreat situation such as writers need. Those doing art for rehabilitation and therapy may have Neptune with Venus and the 12th house may be involved.

[FarEastUranus]

Originally Posted by Claire19

5th house of creativity. Drawing and artistry would belong with Venus for harmony and beauty and depending on the type of talent, then perhaps Saturn for form and structure, working with stones and gems . and the Sun for bling and shine. Leo planets also lend to creativity and the expression of ego for fun and recreation. Neptune is one for filmy and soft expression, subtle and using water or oil paints and photography. The 12th house would be for working in private, perhaps spiritual subjects and being in retreat situation such as writers need. Those doing art for rehabilitation and therapy may have Neptune with Venus and the 12th house may be involved.

Dear Claire,

What about an artist wanting to integrate more occult messages into her art? This is what I have been thinking, that there could be a deeper synthesis in my art. However, I'm unsure what the Uranus conjunct NN is telling me, as I am both interested in the very ancient and the futuristic (as subject matters). But I wonder if Uranus is more intellect-based? Less heart-based? I seem to need both...

[Cascada]

Originally Posted by Jesusistheway

**** so no wonder so that's where that comes from

Neptune and Jupiter is in my 12th house. Neptune's chaotic in my chart. Its at a critical degree. All I do is escape and fantasize until I get to work on my music. And when I'm at work I like to escape from helping people but when I help people I am Neptunian themed again (grrr). I even dreamt I visited Neptune and a translucent water being wanted to grant me a wish it was the most mind blowing trippy experience ever! I loved the dream though. The trap of Neptune. Its a mixed blessing. I would say Cascada you exude Venusian qualities, is your sitting alone or at a critical degree? And Martian like qualities too, I don't know that's my vibes.
My past life reports say I was an artist ooohh wow. Now I'm a musician. I have the Sun, Venus, and Mercury in the 5th house and Pluto trines almost every planet but because its so easy I'm lazy and pathetic over it. I need structure!!! Or better yet a mentor. If I had a mentor I would be sooooo happy. But I don't I thought I had one in music and she made me feel really bad about me not improving over sight reading so I left the jazz band. Truth is my eyesight was poor and still is. Now that's because of my moon in pisces that I was sensitive and left. Its so frustrating I have good ideas but they don't materialize often yet when they do it comes out okay or sometimes great. Btw, I am a real good drummer, half decent guitarist, not even a good drawer , a good lyricist not great, and a 1/4 decent vocalist. So I would like to know where the drums come from?? I am airy yet isn't the earth ruling it??? Is it a Martian thing? So mine's in Scorpio in the 9th house actually conjunct Saturn and Pluto is there too (Koch house system). Uranus rules my 10th house and ASC in Aquarius & I'm a Uranus singleton. Its crazy I have so many ideas no money or mentors Hardly any support. I have like three really crazy good movie ideas, a good invention with bad credit, and music gear with no car. I think its my location, gotta move house and city!!!
Cascada I think you have really good aspects you should find out what you like and stick to one thing so your an expert at it. Learn from me you can do whatever you like but just don't spread yourself too thin or you'll end up not having a niche or expertise in the field of art. I should study percussion more but its really difficult and I keep making excuses for myself

Wow, sorry for the really late reply I didn't notice anyone responding to me lol.

Are Neptune and Jupiter conjunct? Lucky, my Jupiter is also squaring Neptune my Sun/Jupiter and my Neptune/Uranus conjunctions are my strengthening qualities I believe. I can be very much the same with the fantasizing, but I'm getting more practical these days (so I'm not always in my head daydreaming) I guess that's my Sun/Jupiter trines to Saturn telling me to face reality more but wow, you must have a vivid imagination with Jupiter and Neptune in your 12th. You said I exude Venusian qualities, well Venus actually plays a dominant part in my chart Sun/Moon/Jupiter are all in Libra, Venus also rules my MC (Taurus) and is placed in one of its natural houses, the 2nd. Oh and Venus is also a singleton (only mutable) and is the "leading planet" in my bowl-patterned chart. And Martian qualities? Well I do have Mars domicile in Scorpio, making a Scorp stellium with Mercury and Pluto.
Past life report? Cool I wonder what/who I was
Your 5th house is busy too I have my Neptune/Uranus conjunction placed in 5th. Sun/Jupiter in 3rd with Moon being in 2nd.
I guess I'm similar in some ways to you.. I can be really creative and imaginative, I get so many ideas but I sometimes lack practicality. I have zero fire in my chart (not including ascendant) so I guess I could do with more fire to get motivated I sing (was in a choir at the age of 8 til I was 11), I also write (mostly stories but I write poems and songs from time-to-time), and I draw. I'm also looking into learning some instruments. I'd really love to play the guitar

[Jesusistheway]

Originally Posted by Cascada

Wow, sorry for the really late reply I didn't notice anyone responding to me lol.

Are Neptune and Jupiter conjunct? Lucky, my Jupiter is also squaring Neptune my Sun/Jupiter and my Neptune/Uranus conjunctions are my strengthening qualities I believe. I can be very much the same with the fantasizing, but I'm getting more practical these days (so I'm not always in my head daydreaming) I guess that's my Sun/Jupiter trines to Saturn telling me to face reality more but wow, you must have a vivid imagination with Jupiter and Neptune in your 12th. You said I exude Venusian qualities, well Venus actually plays a dominant part in my chart Sun/Moon/Jupiter are all in Libra, Venus also rules my MC (Taurus) and is placed in one of its natural houses, the 2nd. Oh and Venus is also a singleton (only mutable) and is the "leading planet" in my bowl-patterned chart. And Martian qualities? Well I do have Mars domicile in Scorpio, making a Scorp stellium with Mercury and Pluto.
Past life report? Cool I wonder what/who I was
Your 5th house is busy too I have my Neptune/Uranus conjunction placed in 5th. Sun/Jupiter in 3rd with Moon being in 2nd.
I guess I'm similar in some ways to you.. I can be really creative and imaginative, I get so many ideas but I sometimes lack practicality. I have zero fire in my chart (not including ascendant) so I guess I could do with more fire to get motivated I sing (was in a choir at the age of 8 til I was 11), I also write (mostly stories but I write poems and songs from time-to-time), and I draw. I'm also looking into learning some instruments. I'd really love to play the guitar

don't worry about the late reply well I get the feeling you should take a songwriting class for concrete structure on how to write songs as well as taking guitar lessons or a guitar class... This could earn you some money, I forgot how I delineated it but its possible. Its possible if you really wanted to who knows you could be a successful singer/songwriter if you happen to the be at the right place right time with the right people and right lyrics and melody.. I mean its just that simple. I find that school helps give me structure but I also need a creative outlet so I am trying to get a band going. I am most always in a band that breaks up so I'm trying to pray that the next one won't break up, and its not me! Its always the other guys! I need dedicated people. I am thinking along the lines of Tori Amos (if you choose the keyboard/piano) or Taylor Swift (guitar)... They exude venusian qualities and write poetic songs in their own way.. hehe. Currently I would like to have a career in music myself and am finally taking it seriously around my saturn return