Missing person

Hi,
I have attempted to solve this horary question. I'll welcome n appreciate every comments of all members n it'll be a source of learning for me if anybody points to any mistake of mine in this chart n adds more. Thanks in advance.

The guy i have made chart for is missing from atleast 3 years. I'm not related to this guy, he was/is fiance of an indirect friend of mine. He was doin' a job in another city n was studyin there too, away from home. 3 years ago, he was missed n no one found him anywhere. His father searched for him n went to the city where he had been living for job n study but he found no clues where he went suddenly. It's been a puzzle till now. His homies don't know whether he is alive or not.
I have attempted to see if he is alive or dead?? n then, from the same chart i have tried to check if he is missing, then where he is?? Following is how i read the chart n how i concluded that he is alive. The reference book that i have used for it is William Lilly's Christian Astrology Volume II. It's my first attempt to do such a question so do correct me where i'm mistaken.

Because i'm not related with this guy n i'm doin this question myself, i have taken him as AC n AC ruler n Moon as his significators (as stated in lilly's book).
Mercury, the AC ruler n Moon the cosignificator both are in good condition (i'll explain).. Mercury in it's triplicity n Moon being exalted. Though, Moon is in 12th house but because it's exalted, i would consider it in 'good condition in difficult circumstances'.. or i would say that he is surviving in the difficult situation which could possibly had taken him near death.
Mercury is in 9th house which shows that he is away from home (9th house) and possibly near water (neptune also in 9th house) or could be showing that no one has found him (neptune=hidden).
Saturn is the ruler of 8th house n Venus is the ruler of 12th house n both the planets aren't forming any aspects with Mercury n Moon.
However, i'm confused about the square between Mercury n Moon, how could it be interpreted?? Like he is in difficult situation situation??
From Moon being in 12th house n Mercury in 9th house, i have concluded that possibly someone has kidnapped him?? n kept him?? Moon is also the ruling planet of 2nd house n does it mean that someone has kept him for money??
In Lilly's book, it's written that when someone's significator is in 9th house n there's no such aspects with 8th house or 12th house n significator is not in the 5 degrees of 8th house cusp, the missing person comes back alive even if he is reported as dead.
Why i'm considering that he is alive is because Merucry is in triplicity n Moon in exaltation.
It's also written in the book that when Moon will make trine or sextile with mercury, it indicates the time when the person will come back to home.
I have a question here also.. as mercury is also a fast moving sign, n Moon is just 25 degrees to make a trine with mercury, what will be the sign in which Moon will make trine with mercury?? Gemini?? it's a moveable sign so it means 25 days?? or mercury in a fixed sign (aqua) presently means 25 months??

Hi, could you please post either the data or a chart? You'll need to do three posts in order to post a chart, so one of us can do it for you if you post the data. Most of us are 'visual' people and need to see the chart in order to help out.

I guess there is also a philosophical question, and that question is how important is this question to you. Horary works best where there is a real emotional investment, a 'need to know'. If you are just wondering, the chart may reflect this.

Thanks!
AG

Hi AG,

Sorry for i couldn't post the chart here, i was tryin' to post but even though the chart format is valid (.gif) but still i'm getting the error that it's not valid format..
I was tryin' n in the meantime, my internet connection was stuck. Anyways, i'm tryin' to do it again.

yes, this question IS very important to me as i wanted to help those people through this. What could be more important than this to give clue to someone who's so worried??
I have read in the Lilly's book that question is important when the astrologer even is perplexed to do with the question.
and yes, i was perplexed to do this question.

Okay, i have done 3 posts but i'm not finding any luck to attach file.

here's the data.
6 Jan, 2009
2:58 pm
Lahore, Pakistan.

Chart

Here's the chart attached.

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thanks Ray

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Your welcome. I've been looking at the chart as well.

Mercury is in rulership, term, and triplicity of Saturn, the 8th house. I am not so sure then that he is alive.

The moon is in the 12th, showing that perhaps they are in the hospital or in imprisonment. Moon is separating from mars, showing there might have been an illness involved. Moon separating from the 12th ruler is also imprisonment. The moon is in exaltation there.. perhaps somehow he is "important", ruling the 2nd, I think money or his self worth is exalted in his imprisonment.

It seems like they're in a foreign country, being in the 9th, or a place of study. Mercury in Aquarius would be somewhere in the northwest, in a place high up, near water. Venus the 12th ruler is also in a watery sign..

Mercury made a sesquiquadrate to Saturn, so perhaps they were threatened by death in some way.

The moon will square mercury, trine mars, and then Saturn, which does not look good. He might be threatened with death. Sun, end of matters also aspects Saturn which isn't good. Sun (family) trines moon so perhaps his family will learn of him.

I'm going to take the kidnappers as Venus, 12th ruler, wouldn't be Mars, as Mars is weaker than Mercury, Venus is also fittingly in fall and detriment of Mercury; meaning they are very adverse towards the kidnapee.

I also think he is alive.
He is Me and Moon and neighter of them had separate aspect with ruler of radical 8 Sa, so he is alive. Mutual reception between Me and Sa saived him of death, and Moon in exaltation means he is fine.
Last Moon's aspect was with Ma (differenet is 3 degrees, 3 years ago, as you said). Ma is ruler of 6 house. Maybe because of health reason he is in some hospital or clinic, his ruler Me is in fixed sign that indicate wood and parks, nice place for clinic, or hilly, uneven ground at Southwest direction. I do not think he is kidnapped. Search for him in another town in some hospital, church, library, college, university. He will be found indirectly by a third party.
6 house means co=worker, lower level than he, maybe you could start from that point. Because Moon had nice aspect with Ma, ruler of 6, maybe his co=worker was involved in his "volontary" missing as some kind of partner (Ma is in 7 house).

Search also for him in bar, theater, casino, gambling establishments, sports arenas, nightclubs, romantic places with a mistress, which is on mountain top, hill, or near windmills or where wood is cut, or on stony or sandy ground but on North by West direction.

Nice interpretation Goca, very revealing. I agree that he is most likely alive.

Mercury is going retrograde as well as Saturn, an indication I think of his eventual return, it looks like a while from now-- moon and Mercury are fixed, the angles are fixed/mutable. Mercury itself is also slow.

I think the presence of his 11th, 4th, and 7th rulers (family friends and significant others) in his eighth are them thinking that he is dead.

It's worthwhile noting that he's in the detriment of Sun, family, original home, which would be distaste for it; by that I doubt that he wants to go back. Mercury has more dignities in Aquarius than in Leo, could that be a sign that he is "happier" here?
Sun notably translates light from Saturn to the moon, this could be a return home or communication with the family, or mother.

Anyway, what makes you say this?

fensi88 said:

He will be found indirectly by a third party.

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Ray

okay..
@ Ray.. your study makes sense but I have little confusion that hows Mon gonna square Mercury?? because i think that it's next aspect with mercury will be a trine in 25 degrees.. which could may be indicate the time period till he returns..
Venus is in detroment n fall of mercury, yes.. good point.. but i think it shows lack of communication with his family (??).. also, i think that Saturn(ruler of his 8th) in his 4th house (father) indicates that his father n family is thinking that he is dead.. which is true because his family now thinks that he is dead..
you're right about place of study n near water.. because the city he is missed from is near Ocean.. n he was in that city because of his studies n job.. so i believe that he is in the same city but hidden forcibly (kidnap) or i dont know what.. I think, Venus (ruler of 12th) in Pisces (hidden things, vagueness) show that..

@ Fensi88, thanks for ur contribution too.. i'll again say that i think that he is alive n exaltation of moon may show that he is safe in difficult situation. Mars is his 6th house ruler but consider that Mars is exalted in Capricorn which again say (i think) that he is good healthwise n being in 7th house could mean he is with his co-worker..

Ray again, your Saturn retro thing makes me think also that he will come back.. maybe it means that circumstances went back n now things are reversing for good??.. Again, it's true that all of his family n friends think that he is dead..
Also, i'm considering here the phrase in Lilly's book which says that if significator is in 9th house, the person comes back alive even his death is reported..
Pardon me here, that i dont understand the concept of translation of light..

Thanks a lot to both of you for putting your knowledge in here.. i'll be waiting for ur responce, if anything more come in your mind..

and yes, one thing more, Mercury is making sesquisquare with Saturn retro..i think that it also means 'lack of communication' or miscommunication abouthis death..

Cheese

Sanaqua said:

and yes, one thing more, Mercury is making sesquisquare with Saturn retro..i think that it also means 'lack of communication' or miscommunication abouthis death..

Cheese

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Perhaps

Originally Posted by fensi88
He will be found indirectly by a third party.

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That means he will not be found by quarent who ask question but someone else.

fensi88 said:

That means he will not be found by quarent who ask question but someone else.

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Yeah I know, I'm wondering where you astrological reasoning is for this
Ray

Sanaqua,
Do we have an update on this?
Cheers
Lilly

Hi Lillyjgc,

i'm really sorry for being late. In my mind, i thought i have broken the news in this thread.
The missing person about whom we had run this chart IS alive and CAME BACK HOME around 3 or 4 months after posting this chart. I have now forgotten exactly the whole chart and the reading which i had made but i'm happy that my reading was proven right

Okay, my astrology teacher told me a point in this chart when i was last doin it and discussin with him. In a quick look, you see this guy is signified by Mercury and his partner by Jupiter. They were legally married and that is shown by a conjunction between Mercury and Jupiter. The important thing is that Mercury is faster than Jupiter and it is obvious that he is 'running away' from his partner.
Fensi is quite right in judging the direction of his presence. If you look at the map of my country, the city he was hiding into (which is the same city where he was located for his studies and job purposes), is present on the extreme South end of the map. It is bordering with Arabian Sea and temperature is moderate all the year with a breeze always. So, perhaps that was fensi's guess about somewhere near windmills
I wish, i could post the exact timings of his returning back to his home as that would be of great benefit for the study purposes but as i had mentioned above, i dont know him personally. He is actually ex-fiance of my sister's friend.

I thank all who had put their knowledge in this thread and i hope we will be benefiting from this awesome astrology forum