Frisiangal
Well-known member
Hi again,
Browsing the forums I've noticed that the most 'viewers' have zoomed in on posts concerning these two anti-Saturn social rebels; I suppose to get an understanding of their qualities and what these would mean TO them, yet, alas, without offering personal experiences in order for astrologers everywhere to expand their knowledge of those particular facets of a person's life which pertain to Chiron and the various Lilith's roles in them. As a Taurean sun, the best way for me to learn is through practical experience, so I thought to open a new post on these two conscious-raising individuals, as I have experienced them, in the hope that others will be unafraid to follow my example and share theirs. I have an exact 12th house BML-Chiron conjunction to my Virgo Ascendant, so the fact that I personally associate with them goes without saying
I went through the learning rotes of astrological theory as does everyone but I was always left looking at the back-side covers of the specific books, seeking the rest that still remained unexplained! For me, the biggest question was, "Where does the pain come from and why won't it go away?" And I wasn't referring to the pain from which physical scars bear the mark, but the pain that no one sees from the outside but hurts like h--- inside :evil:
Moving towards health astrology introduced me to Chiron and it was as if the pieces of life's puzzle began to fit into place. Chiron's orbit lies between Saturn and Uranus. It's been closer to Saturn since its discovery at 3* Taurus (coincidentally conjunct my 9th house POF), although I don't know if this is still so. Its effect, therefore, in my case refers to something that involves real situations.
As tr. Mercury is now trine my natal Saturn, I shall try imagery to explain what I mean.....and my own experience. Think of Saturn as a barrel, or the door of a room which contains all the content of a situation(s) that caused pain. Pain that arose because, "Not I but (S)HE did that. I didn't do anything to bring on the situation. It was not of my making, yet I live with the result." The situations were suppressed because of the pain they caused. Saturn placed a lid on the barrel or closed the door of the room, sealing off the light, yet leaving them in such a way as they could be opened at will...if it was willing . The only way to see Uranus's light :idea: was, at some time, to open the barrel or put a foot in the door. That was Chiron. It was truly the bridge that led me out of the darkness of my self-imposed confines of Saturn into the enlightenment of Uranus's new day.
Chiron shows what, where,how and why the pain is there and who was/is responsible (!), after which Saturn made me confront it, deal with it and accept it. Chiron showed me that that what was cannot be changed, but I *could* change the way I looked at it, so that Uranus could pave the way for new insights into a future free of the chains of the past. Chiron removed the ballast of pain and enabled me to heal; not within a day but with Saturn's own gift, time. The scar it left may never be gone completely but, just like those physical scars gained through the years, it's one I can live with.
My study of (MEAN) Black Moon Lilith has shown it to possess similar effects to Chiron. The main difference is that Chiron refers to the pain as a result of actual circumstances, something that actually took place. BML signifies a pain that occurs as a result of that which is never physically there, does not exist, never happens, is not meant to be, yet keeps and lives a reality within. It is just as much ruler of the inner world barrel as Saturn is of the outer world barrel, and the pain each inflicts can be devastating. BML is often the hidden inner pain as a result of the feeling of non-acceptance; the pain one endures that is indicative of the how, what, where, why one cannot conform and submit to the authority of another. Even the very simple , "you won't belong unless you do as I/we want, say, act" can make BML defiant in such a way that its very action makes one feel bad and ashamed instead of good and right about themselves. That's when the 'false' image/nature replaces and denies the one of how one really is; the inbred active first nature instinct which one should always allow to exist within.
In my case BML in Virgo represented my 'dirty' and 'unclean' image of myself as a result of physical abuse in childhood, and in which 'keep your hands off me' to remain 'chaste' was deemed wrong.
It was replacing that 'bad' abused child and acknowledging the natural 'good' person BML represented who had always been there within me, that was the final missing piece and completed my personal puzzle.
The demons vanished as soon as the angel returned.
I hope the imagery worked and this tale may encourage others to share theirs.........for astrology
Browsing the forums I've noticed that the most 'viewers' have zoomed in on posts concerning these two anti-Saturn social rebels; I suppose to get an understanding of their qualities and what these would mean TO them, yet, alas, without offering personal experiences in order for astrologers everywhere to expand their knowledge of those particular facets of a person's life which pertain to Chiron and the various Lilith's roles in them. As a Taurean sun, the best way for me to learn is through practical experience, so I thought to open a new post on these two conscious-raising individuals, as I have experienced them, in the hope that others will be unafraid to follow my example and share theirs. I have an exact 12th house BML-Chiron conjunction to my Virgo Ascendant, so the fact that I personally associate with them goes without saying
I went through the learning rotes of astrological theory as does everyone but I was always left looking at the back-side covers of the specific books, seeking the rest that still remained unexplained! For me, the biggest question was, "Where does the pain come from and why won't it go away?" And I wasn't referring to the pain from which physical scars bear the mark, but the pain that no one sees from the outside but hurts like h--- inside :evil:
Moving towards health astrology introduced me to Chiron and it was as if the pieces of life's puzzle began to fit into place. Chiron's orbit lies between Saturn and Uranus. It's been closer to Saturn since its discovery at 3* Taurus (coincidentally conjunct my 9th house POF), although I don't know if this is still so. Its effect, therefore, in my case refers to something that involves real situations.
As tr. Mercury is now trine my natal Saturn, I shall try imagery to explain what I mean.....and my own experience. Think of Saturn as a barrel, or the door of a room which contains all the content of a situation(s) that caused pain. Pain that arose because, "Not I but (S)HE did that. I didn't do anything to bring on the situation. It was not of my making, yet I live with the result." The situations were suppressed because of the pain they caused. Saturn placed a lid on the barrel or closed the door of the room, sealing off the light, yet leaving them in such a way as they could be opened at will...if it was willing . The only way to see Uranus's light :idea: was, at some time, to open the barrel or put a foot in the door. That was Chiron. It was truly the bridge that led me out of the darkness of my self-imposed confines of Saturn into the enlightenment of Uranus's new day.
Chiron shows what, where,how and why the pain is there and who was/is responsible (!), after which Saturn made me confront it, deal with it and accept it. Chiron showed me that that what was cannot be changed, but I *could* change the way I looked at it, so that Uranus could pave the way for new insights into a future free of the chains of the past. Chiron removed the ballast of pain and enabled me to heal; not within a day but with Saturn's own gift, time. The scar it left may never be gone completely but, just like those physical scars gained through the years, it's one I can live with.
My study of (MEAN) Black Moon Lilith has shown it to possess similar effects to Chiron. The main difference is that Chiron refers to the pain as a result of actual circumstances, something that actually took place. BML signifies a pain that occurs as a result of that which is never physically there, does not exist, never happens, is not meant to be, yet keeps and lives a reality within. It is just as much ruler of the inner world barrel as Saturn is of the outer world barrel, and the pain each inflicts can be devastating. BML is often the hidden inner pain as a result of the feeling of non-acceptance; the pain one endures that is indicative of the how, what, where, why one cannot conform and submit to the authority of another. Even the very simple , "you won't belong unless you do as I/we want, say, act" can make BML defiant in such a way that its very action makes one feel bad and ashamed instead of good and right about themselves. That's when the 'false' image/nature replaces and denies the one of how one really is; the inbred active first nature instinct which one should always allow to exist within.
In my case BML in Virgo represented my 'dirty' and 'unclean' image of myself as a result of physical abuse in childhood, and in which 'keep your hands off me' to remain 'chaste' was deemed wrong.
It was replacing that 'bad' abused child and acknowledging the natural 'good' person BML represented who had always been there within me, that was the final missing piece and completed my personal puzzle.
The demons vanished as soon as the angel returned.
I hope the imagery worked and this tale may encourage others to share theirs.........for astrology