Hi all,
I really should be in bed, but as I can't sleep I was searching some sites concerning paranormal phenomena, when the question arose:
'Are extraterrestrial intelligences in visitation of our planet?'
These are the kind of horary questions I like.
I feel that this is an intriguing question, as it is not of a personal nature, and the answers that could be gleaned from it could be of interest to us all.
There are two considerations before judgement in the chart. The first is that the Ascendant is at 26 Sagittarius, suggesting that I be aware that for some reason, the question may be being asked a little late. I wondered why this could be. A late Ascendant usually says that the answer to the question is already known, but I surely do not the answer, and I'm not even really sure what I believe regarding the situation.
What intrigues me is that the Ascendant lands in conjunction with the GC. Also, it cannot escape my interest that Pluto is right upon the Ascendant as well as upon the GC. I would normally not consider the Outers in a horary, but when they are conjunct significators or on a cusp, especially angles, I feel compelled to make the exception.
It is interesting that I should be asking a question about intelligences from outer space, that the Ascendant should be conjunct the GC, the heart and origin of everything in our galaxy.
The late Ascendant may indicate that this is a pretty much unfathomable question, which of course, I suspected, and it's conjunction with Pluto stationary declares this to be an enduring and unfathomable mystery. However, I can't help investigating the chart anyway.
The Ascendant in this question represents me but also 'us' by extension, as I ask this question concerning us all as a species. Might this Ascendant conjunct the GC tell us that we ourselves have originated from elsewhere deep within the galaxy? If so, would the late Ascendant suggest that we ourselves are the extraterrestrials, at least in part? Stationary Pluto on the Ascendant would suggest that we are a more mysterious and unfathomable species than we could ever imagine.
If we are shown by the Sagittarian Ascendant, then we are Jupiter retrograde in Scorpio in the 10th. Jupiter is the principle of expansion, and Scorpio is sex, death, transformation and the cycles of life and along with the principle of expansion would suggest evolution. However, Jupiter is retrograde, so it suggests de-volution. Is this telling us that rather than having evolved into something greater than what we were, we have in fact devolved into something less? If we consider the theory that some people hold that the reason that the missing link was never found was due to genetic intervention by some higher species, then perhaps the Ascendant conjunct the GC and our significator Jupiter retrograde in Scorpio, is a suggestion to us that our origins lie somewhere deep in the galaxy, and that through genetic intervention upon earthly creatures, we were created as a hybrid between those creatures and the higher intelligence. This would explain why we have devolved rather than evolved, because we are a hybrid of our extraterrestrial parents and unintelligent earthly beings, thus we have actually de-volved, and taken a step downwards from our stellar parents to become what we are.
Jupiter's retrogradation in the 10th house may show that we are not as dominant and supreme a species as we think we are.
As this is an 'Us and Them' question, according to Frawley's method, I will use the 7th cusp, to represent 'them'. I would have used the 9th for 'foreigners', but the Frawley method is nicely balanced and makes sense.
Seeing 'them' as the 7th cusp is interesting, because this places Jupiter, 'us' in their turned 4th house, and in our own 10th. To us we are kings of our own castle, we are of supreme intelligence. To them, we are in their 4th, so we are in thier home and upon their territory, and inheritors of their genes. We consider ourselves to be the highest, but they look down upon us.
The Descendant for 'them' is in Gemini, and the Sagittarius / Gemini axis is interesting in itself. The Sagittitarian Ascendant is partly one creature, and partly another, which is very intriguing considering the previous observations about us possibly being genetic hybrids.
The Descendant being Gemini, showing 'them' is intriguing also, given this line of thought, as it suggests genetic cloning. Gemini is doubly human, Sagittarius only one part human. Perhaps this suggests that what we have about us that makes us human, which caused that ever inexplicable evolutionary leap, is only half of what they are.
I see the human headed signs as the signs which possess intelligence. Looking at it this way, Gemini is double headed, their intelligence is greater than ours.
As they are represented by the Descendant in Gemini, then they are Mercury. This in interesting in that Mercury represents travel, and again an outer planet is hard to ignore because Uranus is right in conjunction with Mercury, so if Mercury tells us something about travel, then this is travel which is very innovative and technological.
Mercury is in exile in Pisces, so Mercury is not where it belongs. This is interesting considering that the question concerns whether extraterrestrial intelligences are among us, at it suggests that they are outside the environment they would normally operate within. They are in the sign which is ruled by Jupiter, they are in our world.
Mercury has an interest in Jupiter, as it is in Jupiter's world, but Jupiter has no reception of Mercury. So they know all about us, we know nothing of them.
Despite there being no receptions there is an aspect, and this is a trine which is applied by Mercury, which has a special interest in Jupiter. They come to visit us. Mercury benefits from it's trine to Jupiter, because Jupiter gives it a needed boost, as it is in it's sign of exile and fall. Does this mean that they are in a bad way here, and need something from us in order to maintain their strength?
Mercury translates light from Jupiter to Mars in Gemini in the 6th. So whatever it is that they approach us for is used to apply to whatever it is that Mars represents. So what might Mars show?
Mars is in the sign of Gemini, the sign that shows them as genetic reproducers of much greater intelligence that we. Taking this into consideration, Gemini in the 6th might tell us about biology, the 6th house ruling over animal life and the functions of the body. If the 6th house is biological, and Gemini is artificial reproduction and great intelligence, could Mars be surgery or engineering - genetic engineering?
Is this translation telling us that they are among us because they are continuing to use our genes to create other life forms? Have we always been and will continue to be a genetic experiment? I have no idea, but then the late Ascendant told me that this would be a hard nut to crack.
There is good mutual reception between Mercury and Mars, as Mars is in Mercury's domicile and exaltation, and Mercury in Mars' triplicity. So, the interaction between Mercury and Mars is not as secretive or mysterious as the interaction between Mars and Mercury.
I just get the feeling that they visit to apply us to experimentation purposes. Are they cloning us????
I think I'm digging myself a hole here, because this is so complicated I don't know how to interpret this so I would love some help.
I think that finding out what Mars represents in this context is the key to this reading. I'm tired and my brain is slow, but I would love to answer this. So I need your ideas.
I know that the Ascendant is late and that Saturn is in the 7th, showing the limitations in place upon trying to discern the identity of these 'others', which has become apparent, but this chart is too tempting to leave alone, and I would really like some input.
Ideas anyone?
Draco
I really should be in bed, but as I can't sleep I was searching some sites concerning paranormal phenomena, when the question arose:
'Are extraterrestrial intelligences in visitation of our planet?'
These are the kind of horary questions I like.
I feel that this is an intriguing question, as it is not of a personal nature, and the answers that could be gleaned from it could be of interest to us all.
There are two considerations before judgement in the chart. The first is that the Ascendant is at 26 Sagittarius, suggesting that I be aware that for some reason, the question may be being asked a little late. I wondered why this could be. A late Ascendant usually says that the answer to the question is already known, but I surely do not the answer, and I'm not even really sure what I believe regarding the situation.
What intrigues me is that the Ascendant lands in conjunction with the GC. Also, it cannot escape my interest that Pluto is right upon the Ascendant as well as upon the GC. I would normally not consider the Outers in a horary, but when they are conjunct significators or on a cusp, especially angles, I feel compelled to make the exception.
It is interesting that I should be asking a question about intelligences from outer space, that the Ascendant should be conjunct the GC, the heart and origin of everything in our galaxy.
The late Ascendant may indicate that this is a pretty much unfathomable question, which of course, I suspected, and it's conjunction with Pluto stationary declares this to be an enduring and unfathomable mystery. However, I can't help investigating the chart anyway.
The Ascendant in this question represents me but also 'us' by extension, as I ask this question concerning us all as a species. Might this Ascendant conjunct the GC tell us that we ourselves have originated from elsewhere deep within the galaxy? If so, would the late Ascendant suggest that we ourselves are the extraterrestrials, at least in part? Stationary Pluto on the Ascendant would suggest that we are a more mysterious and unfathomable species than we could ever imagine.
If we are shown by the Sagittarian Ascendant, then we are Jupiter retrograde in Scorpio in the 10th. Jupiter is the principle of expansion, and Scorpio is sex, death, transformation and the cycles of life and along with the principle of expansion would suggest evolution. However, Jupiter is retrograde, so it suggests de-volution. Is this telling us that rather than having evolved into something greater than what we were, we have in fact devolved into something less? If we consider the theory that some people hold that the reason that the missing link was never found was due to genetic intervention by some higher species, then perhaps the Ascendant conjunct the GC and our significator Jupiter retrograde in Scorpio, is a suggestion to us that our origins lie somewhere deep in the galaxy, and that through genetic intervention upon earthly creatures, we were created as a hybrid between those creatures and the higher intelligence. This would explain why we have devolved rather than evolved, because we are a hybrid of our extraterrestrial parents and unintelligent earthly beings, thus we have actually de-volved, and taken a step downwards from our stellar parents to become what we are.
Jupiter's retrogradation in the 10th house may show that we are not as dominant and supreme a species as we think we are.
As this is an 'Us and Them' question, according to Frawley's method, I will use the 7th cusp, to represent 'them'. I would have used the 9th for 'foreigners', but the Frawley method is nicely balanced and makes sense.
Seeing 'them' as the 7th cusp is interesting, because this places Jupiter, 'us' in their turned 4th house, and in our own 10th. To us we are kings of our own castle, we are of supreme intelligence. To them, we are in their 4th, so we are in thier home and upon their territory, and inheritors of their genes. We consider ourselves to be the highest, but they look down upon us.
The Descendant for 'them' is in Gemini, and the Sagittarius / Gemini axis is interesting in itself. The Sagittitarian Ascendant is partly one creature, and partly another, which is very intriguing considering the previous observations about us possibly being genetic hybrids.
The Descendant being Gemini, showing 'them' is intriguing also, given this line of thought, as it suggests genetic cloning. Gemini is doubly human, Sagittarius only one part human. Perhaps this suggests that what we have about us that makes us human, which caused that ever inexplicable evolutionary leap, is only half of what they are.
I see the human headed signs as the signs which possess intelligence. Looking at it this way, Gemini is double headed, their intelligence is greater than ours.
As they are represented by the Descendant in Gemini, then they are Mercury. This in interesting in that Mercury represents travel, and again an outer planet is hard to ignore because Uranus is right in conjunction with Mercury, so if Mercury tells us something about travel, then this is travel which is very innovative and technological.
Mercury is in exile in Pisces, so Mercury is not where it belongs. This is interesting considering that the question concerns whether extraterrestrial intelligences are among us, at it suggests that they are outside the environment they would normally operate within. They are in the sign which is ruled by Jupiter, they are in our world.
Mercury has an interest in Jupiter, as it is in Jupiter's world, but Jupiter has no reception of Mercury. So they know all about us, we know nothing of them.
Despite there being no receptions there is an aspect, and this is a trine which is applied by Mercury, which has a special interest in Jupiter. They come to visit us. Mercury benefits from it's trine to Jupiter, because Jupiter gives it a needed boost, as it is in it's sign of exile and fall. Does this mean that they are in a bad way here, and need something from us in order to maintain their strength?
Mercury translates light from Jupiter to Mars in Gemini in the 6th. So whatever it is that they approach us for is used to apply to whatever it is that Mars represents. So what might Mars show?
Mars is in the sign of Gemini, the sign that shows them as genetic reproducers of much greater intelligence that we. Taking this into consideration, Gemini in the 6th might tell us about biology, the 6th house ruling over animal life and the functions of the body. If the 6th house is biological, and Gemini is artificial reproduction and great intelligence, could Mars be surgery or engineering - genetic engineering?
Is this translation telling us that they are among us because they are continuing to use our genes to create other life forms? Have we always been and will continue to be a genetic experiment? I have no idea, but then the late Ascendant told me that this would be a hard nut to crack.
There is good mutual reception between Mercury and Mars, as Mars is in Mercury's domicile and exaltation, and Mercury in Mars' triplicity. So, the interaction between Mercury and Mars is not as secretive or mysterious as the interaction between Mars and Mercury.
I just get the feeling that they visit to apply us to experimentation purposes. Are they cloning us????
I think I'm digging myself a hole here, because this is so complicated I don't know how to interpret this so I would love some help.
I think that finding out what Mars represents in this context is the key to this reading. I'm tired and my brain is slow, but I would love to answer this. So I need your ideas.
I know that the Ascendant is late and that Saturn is in the 7th, showing the limitations in place upon trying to discern the identity of these 'others', which has become apparent, but this chart is too tempting to leave alone, and I would really like some input.
Ideas anyone?
Draco