Something amazing has happened..

[Starwatcher]

I've been looking at the charts of potential mates for 12 to 14 years. I've done a couple hundred synastry comparisons to my own chart. I've never come across anything quite like this before. I thought I'd see what other people think..

Me - Male, April 18th 1978 in Littleton, CO at 11:36am.
Her - Female, August 1st 1987 in Ashland, WI at 6:11am.

I'd like to add that we haven't actually met in person yet, but our conversation online has been great. We are planning on meeting soon. She will probably also read this post and it's replies.

Inner Chart = Me, Outer Chart = Her: http://imgur.com/EbneN.gif
Outer Chart = Me, Inner Chart = Her: http://imgur.com/knVWE.gif

Here's some aspects for you to look over:

My Mars Conjunct Her Venus, Orb 0°15' Applying (WOW!)
My Mercury Trine Her Mars, Orb 0°10' Applying
My Sun Conjuct Her Jupiter, Orb 0°48' Separating
My Ascendant Conjuct Her Venus, Orb 2°05' Applying
My Ascendant Conjuct Her Sun, Orb 3°54' Separating
My Mercury Trine Her Ascendant, Orb 3°49' Applying
My Neptune Trine Her Ascendant, Orb 5°19' Applying
My Pluto Sextile Her Ascendant, Orb 2°11' Applying
My Mars Trine Her North Node, Orb 0°51' Separating
My North Node Sextile Her Sun, Orb 2°54' Separating

My Sun Opposite Her Moon, Orb 5°51' Applying
My Saturn Sextile Her Moon, Orb 1°10' Applying
My Pluto Conjuct Her Moon, Orb 7°33' Separating
My Mercury Trine Her Sun, Orb 7°54' Applying
My Mars Conjuct Her Sun, Orb 5°44' Separating
My Venus Sextile Her Mercury, Orb 1°14' Separating
My Neptune Sesquisquare Her Venus, Orb 0°24' Applying
My North Node Sextile Her Venus, Orb 3°05' Applying
My Venus Square Her Mars, Orb 3°07' Applying
My Saturn Conjuct Her Mars, Orb 7°16' Applying
My Pluto Sextile Her Mars, Orb 1°27' Separating
My Moon Trine Her Jupiter, Orb 4°54' Applying
My Jupiter Sextile Her Jupiter, Orb 1°50' Applying
My Saturn Trine Her Jupiter, Orb 5°29' Separating
My Chiron Conjuct Her Jupiter, Orb 5°42' Applying
My Sun Sesquisquare Her Saturn, Orb 1°25' Applying
My Mercury Trine Her Saturn, Orb 1°48' Separating
My Neptune Conjuct Her Saturn, Orb 3°18' Applying
My Pluto Sextile Her Saturn, Orb 0°09' Separating
My Sun Trine Her Uranus, Orb 5°15' Separating
My Mercury Trine Her Uranus, Orb 6°30' Applying
My Saturn Trine Her Uranus, Orb 0°34' Separating
My Moon Trine Her Neptune, Orb 1°40' Applying
My Sun Trine Her Neptune, Orb 7°24' Applying
My Chiron Trine Her Neptune, Orb 0°53' Applying
My Uranus Conjuct Her Pluto, Orb 7°51' Applying
My Chiron Opposite Her Pluto, Orb 2°18' Applying
My Sun Sextile Her Chiron, Orb 2°11' Applying
My Jupiter Conjuct Her Chiron, Orb 4°50' Applying
My Saturn Sextile Her Chiron, Orb 2°29' Separating
My Moon Quincunx Her North Node, Orb 0°17' Applying
My Venus Semisquare Her North Node, Orb 0°44' Applying

My Mars is in 2 degrees Leo, and her Venus is in 2 degrees Leo, that's just mindboggling. If we meet in person and there's absolutely nothing, no sparks, zero, zilch, then I will have lost all my faith in Astrology...

I'd love to hear what any of you have to say. Thanks in advance!

[CaptureMotion]

Would you do one of these for my girlfriend and I?

CaptureMotion, could you please stay on topic? You can ask this sort of question via PM.

Starlink.

[Mtle640]

Your ASC is right in between her Venus and Sun which are 6 degrees apart making your ASC midpoint and conjunct both. Very interesting configuration... I think it is a really strong testimony that she will find you attractive and her type. She would feel more compelled to fully express the energy of that Sun/Venus conjunction (romantic desire, charm, seduction) when she is with you. But is could start out as fantasy first as her Mercury, Sun and Venus are in her 12th house and the connection with your ASC could represent an outlet for physical manifestation of these fantasies. Also, your Mars (ruler of the 5th) exactly conjunct her Venus being also part of the above configuration should add some sparks and amplify it even more. Big indications that the attraction is very strong and most importantly mutual.

Your Sun (ruler of your ASC) conjunct her jupiter (ruler of her 5th) and MC looks like another testimony of attraction but also she will respect you and you could eventually have some good influence on her career.

Her moon conjunct your IC indicates that you would easily feel "at home" with each other. Her Moon opposite your Sun: you will feel like you really complete each other but there is a chance that she will behave a bit more submissive with you than she normally would in a relationship.

Double whammy Mercury trine Uranus should have some mild (because it is very wide trine) benefit for any online communication. Your Venus sextile her Mercury both being ruler of 11th in respective charts should benefit online romance.

You may also want to look at the composite and Davison chart for extra details about the relationship dynamic. But I think that with all the action going on around your ASC in the synastry, absence of attraction would be virtually impossible.

Did you guys instantly found each other visually attractive the first time looking at pictures and through webcam interaction?

[Starwatcher]

Thanks for the excellent response Mtle640.

Although we'll be meeting in a couple of weeks she sadly lives almost five hours away. The good news is we both just happen to have been planning on moving to approximately the same location at some point, and when/if that happens the distance should no longer be an issue. Those plans were made before we even knew of each other.

We met on a dating web site. She sent me a message first. To answer your question, yes, I believe we did both find each other visually attractive right away. We have not interacted via a webcam. We do keep in contact with each other frequently.

Has anyone ever come across an exact (0 degrees apart) Mars (male's) to Venus (female's) conjunction before?

[astrologer50]

It be most helpful to ‘post’ your chart (rather than data), for others to comment on as we are all visual. For help on how to do this, go here. There is an option in Extended chart selection to ‘anonymised drawing (without name)’ box http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

[Starwatcher]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

It be most helpful to ‘post’ your chart (rather than data), for others to comment on as we are all visual. For help on how to do this, go here.

The data was in addition to our charts, the links for pics is right above the data. I suppose I'll go ahead and attach them too.

[nebulous1]

Good luck Starwatcher, this seems like a quite promising set of aspects to me. You mentioned meeting her in a couple of weeks. One point I'd like to add, is that it can also be quite important imo how the stars are aligned when first meeting someone, so give some good thought to finding as astrologically auspicious a time as you can during your time frame to first meet.

Looks like in a couple of weeks Venus will be coming into trine with the Jupiter/Chiron/Neptune stellium for example, and the Sun/Neptune parallel may confer lonjevity upon the relationship. Anyway, something to play with.

A relevant question I'd like to put out at large however, is what are people's opinion on how connecting by internet (or phone) may impact Starwatchers first physical meeting, from an electional point of view.

thanks
N1

[Mtle640]

I think the chart for the time and place of first physical meeting would take precedence over the chart of first online contact. Just as the marriage chart would take precedence over the first meeting chart. First meeting and marriage charts are indeed very important to avoid wasting the potential of a great synastry chart.

[Starwatcher]

I've often thought about that first meeting chart (regardless of who it is), but sadly it's not always practical to go by that alone. Waiting longer than two weeks (actually, it's closer to one and a half weeks from now) could be detrimental to the potential of the relationship. You can only take things online so far before it starts to gradually fizzle out.

I'd definitely appreciate any suggestions for a specific time. There are some constraints though; it will be on October 29th, and the meeting is currently set for 5:00pm. It will be near Rice Lake, WI (exact city withheld for anonymity).

Thanks for all the comments and advice everyone, I appreciate it!

[Mtle640]

For Oct 29 5:00 pm, Moon aspects are not very good but Venus is very well positioned and aspected so it should be good overall. Try to meet at 5:12 pm for Rice Lake. This will put Venus right on the 7th house cusp. But you say it is at a location nearby so you may want to adjust the chart time by yourself for the exact location. It shouldn't be more than a couple minutes sooner or later than 5:12 pm if location is within a 15 miles radius. If anything, sooner would be much better than later because if you are late by a few minutes, Venus will have moved into 6th house.

Venus trines the stellium involving Chiron, Neptune and Jupiter and according to Magi astrology, that first meeting chart would be considered extremely good, but some astrologers are still sceptic about the validity of their symbolism of Chiron.

Edit: I have just looked at the chart again and I would suggest that you tweak the meeting time so that Leo is on the cusp of 5th house of the meeting chart. Sun would then be ruler of the 5th house, sitting in the 7th house instead of the moon being ruler of the 5th, sitting in the 12th house. The time window would be very tight but I think it would be worth it. Venus being within 1 degree just outside of the 7th house is still acceptable.

[Starwatcher]

*sigh* Thanks for all the help everyone. Sadly I have to report that she hooked up with someone else. At least she told me. I'm pretty confused because we've been talking non-stop since we met online, and they've been great conversations, we've both expressed how excited we were about meeting soon. Maybe 22 is just too young, too immature afterall. I'm very sad about her giving up so quickly, but I'm also very disappointed that it's a missed opportunity to meet an exact Mars Venus conjunction. I'll probably never come across that again..

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by Starwatcher

*sigh* Thanks for all the help everyone. Sadly I have to report that she hooked up with someone else. At least she told me. I'm pretty confused because we've been talking non-stop since we met online, and they've been great conversations, we've both expressed how excited we were about meeting soon. Maybe 22 is just too young, too immature afterall. I'm very sad about her giving up so quickly, but I'm also very disappointed that it's a missed opportunity to meet an exact Mars Venus conjunction. I'll probably never come across that again..

Sorry to hear things didn't work out. It did seem like there were some very promising aspects. I don't want to give false hope, but it wouldn't surprise me if you still ended up connecting. You have a Neptune/Venus inconjunct which suggests a true romantic at heart, and one with the sensitivity and caring to treat a Venus right. But, the inconjunt angle suggests an adjustment in your hopes and dreams may be needed - especially involving the illusion aspect Neptune can bring. Her Saturn conjuncting this Neptune certainly seemed to pop that bubble. As I said though, I don't want to give false hope, but if you continue to talk and those adjustments are made (particularly through mercury mediated communications), I wouldn't be surprised if something good did come of it. Saturn can play the role of delayed rewards for personal growth well navigated.

Yes, that Venus/Mars conjunction sounded sweet. Especially since it's not just a conj. but also an eclipse (both a conj. and parallel, hence coming together along both the horizontal and vertical planes forming an eclipse).

If it's of any comfort though, good Venus/Mars aspects are not so uncommon as you seem to think (and a parallel is just about as good as a conjunction imo).

Best of luck moving forward. Take heart, you do have the makings to attract a very nice mate for yourself (over time though, just stay away from any extramarital temptations, Juno in that T-Square could spell trouble, especially wit that Saturn/Uranus contraparallel).

[Starwatcher]

Thanks for the kind words nebulous1. I have had several relationships since my mid teens, and several of them turn out the same way: they cheat on me. I have never, even once, been unfaithful to anyone. So what you said is backwards, it's not my temptation with extramarital affairs. I've had two significant long-term relationships in my past thus far. The first one lasted about 4½ years, and she cheated on me throughout the whole relationship. There is also strong evidence that she cheated on me with my brother (my only sibling, whom I was very close to up to that point and am now very distant from). The other lasted 7 years and I never thought she'd be one to cheat, but sure enough earlier this year she also cheated on me. I was engaged in both relationships for 2-3 years at the end.

Apparently I'm cursed when it comes to having a partner for life. This one didn't even have a chance of getting started in person and she already jumped into the arms of someone else. I must be bad at something. No one tells me that, it's quite the opposite, people tell me I'm very supportive, caring, thoughtful, interesting, romantic, loving, and sexual, but I must be doing something wrong. I just wish one of them would tell me what it is. Anyway, sorry for digressing.

[jjj]

If Im right you have your natal taurus Venus opposing your natal Uranus. This can cause cheating and disruption of relationships. I think that hard natal aspects teach us things through other persons/events in life... maybe these abrupt ends tell you to embrace your uranian and adventurous (I dont mean promiscuous) side.

I have natal Venus (in 18 scorp) opposing Saturn in taurus and I keep attracting cold partners... now Im trying to get rid of that coldness in myself.

Btw taurus venuses are very loyal and passionate and tender... Id like to meet one myself

be well

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by Starwatcher

I'm also very disappointed that it's a missed opportunity to meet an exact Mars Venus conjunction. I'll probably never come across that again..

I think having such a close aspect amplified your Mars, & you sending that Martian energy out into the Universe will attract another Venus.

My longest girl friend, friend only, has the tightest Venus orb on my Mars that I've met, but unfortunately my Mars is conjunct Uranus, thus her Venus is conjunct my Uranus.

Also, have you looked at Psyche/Eros synastry? I find these aspects really cut through all the surface stuff, making everything else easy.

Originally Posted by jjj

I have natal Venus (in 18 scorp) opposing Saturn in taurus and I keep attracting cold partners... now Im trying to get rid of that coldness in myself.

I have this one too, 22Sco in tight opposition to Saturn. It definitely puts a damper on any situation. I think the problem with this aspect is giving in & knowing who to give in to. Have you seen this?

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/venus-opposition-saturn.php

But I do agree that the people we attract are reflecting back what we need to see in ourselves.

[Starwatcher]

Thanks jjj and kaminari.

Guess what?!? I can't even imagine what the odds of this are... LOL So there's this other girl I've been talking to for months (she "winked" at me on a dating site on August 27th 2009 at 6:02pm). She's very busy with college and other things right now so it's difficult for her to find time to chat online. We've been bouncing messages back and forth once every week or so. The Leo I originally posted about was Wiccan. This girl (Taurus) is Atheist, so she doesn't really get into Astrology stuff (although interestingly enough her gayby parents are Wiccan). I finally managed to get her date of birth after all this time, and lucky me her time and place of birth too..

Can you guess what I'm excited about? Her Mars is exactly Conjunct my Venus (so the other way around from the 1st girl). Seriously, what are the odds of meeting two girls at such close times with that aspect between our charts? Crazy... Anyway, here's her chart info (also attached to this post):

Outer Chart = Me, Inner Chart = Her: http://imgur.com/h1yOt.gif
Inner Chart = Me, Outer Chart = Her: http://imgur.com/wDTIt.gif

Me - Male, April 18th 1978 in Littleton, CO at 11:36am.
Her - Female, May 2nd 1983 in St. Cloud, MN at 3:10pm.

The only thing that gets to me a little bit about her is that Moon in Capricorn. She can seem kind of emotionally cold at times. However, our Moons are Trine so I'm not sure why. Maybe it's something else.

What are your thoughts on both our chart interaction and the fact I've stumbled across another exact Mars-Venus Conjunction in such a short time period?

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by Starwatcher

Her Mars is exactly Conjunct my Venus (so the other way around from the 1st girl). Seriously, what are the odds of meeting two girls at such close times with that aspect between our charts?

Great news. That's pretty coincidental, but as you know, coincidences seem to happen a lot in astrology.

Originally Posted by Starwatcher

The only thing that gets to me a little bit about her is that Moon in Capricorn. She can seem kind of emotionally cold at times. However, our Moons are Trine so I'm not sure why.

I've known quite a few Capricorn Moons. It's not that they are emotionally cold, it's just that it's difficult for them to show it. Your Moons are in the same element, so that's a plus.

And have you noticed her Moon is also perfectly trine Chiron?

[Starwatcher]

Originally Posted by kaminari

I've known quite a few Capricorn Moons. It's not that they are emotionally cold, it's just that it's difficult for them to show it. Your Moons are in the same element, so that's a plus.

And have you noticed her Moon is also perfectly trine Chiron?

You were absolutely right. Shortly after making that post some things happened which helped her to open up a bit and she doesn't seem at all emotionally cold now. Huge change.

I don't see where her Moon is perfectly Trine Chiron though? Maybe I'm overlooking something.

[kaminari]

Originally Posted by Starwatcher

I don't see where her Moon is perfectly Trine Chiron though? Maybe I'm overlooking something.

Oops! You're right. I had both bi-wheels open & when I wrote that I forgot who was who. You have Moon trine Chiron!

[kaminari]

Moon trine Chiron

Chiron square Ascendant

Do you relate to those links?

Recently I've been curious about Chiron placements in others' charts.

I have the Mars opposition, with Chiron in the 2nd house, Aries. I have to pay special attention to people who aspect my Chiron, I have found. They seem to expose that wound. Also, it goes in reverse.

[smilingsteph]

Starwatcher-
This is not on the topic of astrology,
However, maybe things didnt work out because you met them online. You are 22! Go out and meet some real women! Have fun!
To have an online relationship is very different from meeting face to face. You got to know them on an intellectual level and meeting someone is like having to meet them all over because the physical properties of that person being there throws a whole other dynamic together.
Women these days like to get online and meet other people. But to meet a guy who lives 5 hours away can be dangerous. It seems like you are a sweet guy, but if she were to meet someone in person, then she probably took that train if you know what I mean.

Just because someone makes a wink at you dosent mean that they like you or wants to fall in love.
How can you tell online that she was emotionally cold.

It seems getting out and having a real romantic life would be better for you.

Advice from someone who did they cyber thing and got burned a long time ago....

edit: You have an aqua DSC, so this computer mating makes sense.

[kaminari]

Smilingsteph, in defense of Starwatcher..

I do believe that geniune online relationships can be developed. It's possible to feel the energy of people through cyberspace. I've tried it, as an Aquarius rising, but I soon realized that, with love, it would never work. (I'm a Scorpio Venus)

However, there is much to be learned from meeting people online cause I do believe real friendship intimacy can develop. It has happened for me.

I think it depends on the person & where they're at in life. Nothing beats one-on-one intimacy, but through the power of cyberspace, Starwatcher has been able to connect with (on an intellectual level) with two people that changed his world-view, & probably he did for them.

[Reyka]

@Smilingsteph: You misread! He's 31, not 22
And he said he had other important, long relationships in real life (4 and 7 years), and that's where he got burnt and probably why he'd rather attend dating web sites and get to speak and know a girl before jumping in a relationship.

@Starwatcher: don't give up on love! You're still young.
I can tell you that a conjunction of my Venus with the Mars of the guy I was dating, besides our trine Moons, trine Ascendants, and more, only made for a good friendship.
Apparently the spark of attraction is missing on his side, so don't trust that aspect too much. Maybe being the reversed with this new girl (your Venus on her Mars) you'll be more lucky?...
Keep us updated!

[Starwatcher]

Originally Posted by kaminari

Moon trine Chiron

Chiron square Ascendant

Do you relate to those links?

Yes, it sounds a lot like me.

[Starwatcher]

I've had plenty of relationships that started offline. I'll be 32 in April, 22 is the age of the first girl. Second girl is 26.

I agree that meeting people online is nice because you get to know them intellectually in ways you might not in person. There are also things that someone might actually find easier to list in a dating profile than to say in person. I'd rather quickly know some key things that are important to me than to go through offline dating only to find out something that's a show stopper.

On the flip side of all this, online dating has it's drawbacks too. While there is the meeting of minds you generally don't get to hear their voice, see their body language, etc. unless they have a webcam. Even then there are things that are lost through digitization. And of course it's really all about eventually meeting in person anyway.

Some good news about this second chance to meet an exact Mars-Venus Conjunction: We have scheduled to meet this Sunday. Something that's starting to get to me is that darn Venus in Gemini.. I haven't met too many women with that planet-sign combo, but I've read plenty about it and I am a little bit worried. I can't go into personal details here, but there are already some negative things typically associated with Venus in Gemini that have popped up. However, she has made it clear that she is very against cheating/lying in a committed relationship, but before it becomes committed, well... I've probably said too much (and I'm not saying cheating/lying is involved before commitment).

I don't know if it's going to work out or not, but I'll be damned if I let this second chance with an exact Mars-Venus Conjunction slip through my fingers again! I can say this, so far things have been much more sexually charged (only online at this point of course) with this Mars to my Venus than the other way around with the first girl. It's funny, the first girl was almost too coy/reserved (my Mars to her Venus), but this girl (her Mars to my Venus) it's the other way around. She might even be too much to deal with, but I won't know until we meet and see what happens from there. We do have a lot of common interests, so it's not all just about the sexual compatibility.