If you don't have birth time, is it better to use approx. or unknown time?

SagiCap

Well-known member
Say your parents told you it was about "10:30 a.m." you know it's close - and the info would be a little more defined than if you used a natal with "unknown birth time". Correct?

Or is it just better to use unknown time and only gather the info you see there?

I'm asking because I did my own chart with approx. time - and another with unknown and it's basically a flipped chart - almost symmetrical. This is too much of a difference, so logically wouldn't the closer time be more accurate for me?

It's so frustrating not knowing my exact time.
 
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lillyjgc

Senior Member, Educational board Editor
Hi sagicap,
Most astrologers will cast a chart for either noon or sunrise of the day of birth.Of course such a chart can't be treated the same as if the TOB was known-ie you cant look at houses, house rulers etc...and the moon and parts have to be excluded. But you can still look at the aspects.It gives limited information.
I suggest if you are serious about astrology it would be a good investment to get your chart professionally rectified by a professional qualified astrologer. Rectification is not as easy as some would have us think.
I dont advocate *guessing the ascendant* then treating the chart as if it was reflective of the true TOB.This will result in many errors, which isnt good for the practice/credibility of Astrology as a whole.
Do everything you can to try to access your true time. Hospitals usually keep records and a small payment is usually required to get this crucial information.
Cheers
Lillyjgc
 
Solar arcs are the best method for rectifying an unknown time. Start with the approx time your parents gave you and read all you can about the Asc sign before and after as you will identify with one. Then if you post the chart, others will contribute to help.:love:

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
 

SagiCap

Well-known member
Solar arcs are the best method for rectifying an unknown time. Start with the approx time your parents gave you and read all you can about the Asc sign before and after as you will identify with one. Then if you post the chart, others will contribute to help.:love:

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

This is some great info, Astrologer50! Thanks. So, I am enclosing the regular chart with approx. time and I'm not sure what you mean by moving "the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa." I will try, I'm VERY new at this.

So, taking your example,

I gave birth in Sept 2000


my separation was in Feb. 2003.
The final divorce was in 2008.

Are these good examples. I'm not sure which one to use for "divorce". The separation was more pronounced and emotional in my life.

9:30 a.m is the closest approximate time I have.

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so, then your MC at 8'50" lets just round that upto 9' and then move it 1' til it conjuncts natal venus at 10' could suggest a house move or sibling born?
Now move natal mars Solar arc onto MC age 10 prob house move with family. Have you noticed there are only 30' in a sign and 30' in a house Equal house system that is. When it gets to 30' it changes back to 0'next sign. next try moving MC 1' each year from 9' to 22' Jupiter =age 13, possible travel, opportunities, studies?
Age 22 SA MC onto Neptune 1' did anyone disappear, die or have any mysterious illnesses? Any job end or relationship end? any disillusionment connected to friends or betrayals?
Ic=home roots opposite MC 8'50" taurus. Age 8 then did someone become distant, aloof, disappear from home roots??

Venus is opp saturn which suggests a problem with father and feeling bit unloved from childhood. Maybe a relationship breakdown age 17? not necessarily father, maybe first boyfiend?

Do you identify with Capricorn Asc traits and qualities?
http://www.cafeastrology.com/aquarius_ascendantrisingsign.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/capricorn_ascendantrisingsign.html
 

SagiCap

Well-known member
so, then your MC at 8'50" lets just round that up to 9' and then move it 1' til it conjuncts natal venus at 10' could suggest a house move or sibling born?

Ok, I'll try to go one at a time. I've had siblings born at (my) age 4, 8 and 11. I also moved when I was aged 3, 8 and then 26... a whole bunch of other times after that I can't exactly recall.

Venus is opp saturn which suggests a problem with father and feeling bit unloved from childhood. Maybe a relationship breakdown age 17? not necessarily father, maybe first boyfiend?
Yes, things were tense with an elder in my teen years before 18. But I think you are right, because yr. 18 I remember being a relief - so year 17 was very hard. :)
 
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Thanks for linking to my article!

It's not secret here that I am a big fan and as it was recommended in another thread by someone I hope you don't mind me using. The only little problem I have with the article (after reading it thoroughly) is that you don't use or SA Angles themselves like I do ie: SA MC and ASC in particular:innocent:
 
First thing that stands out is secondary progressed sun should be conj Asc now. Do you feel more pro active, alive assertive? Also SA Jupiter is conj natal mercury in 12th, so you should be talking lots lots more and jupiter travel, study etc. Also progress Jupiter is conj natal Neptune suggesting expansion into spiritual matters or occult.
Progressed Mars is 1' off natal Jupiter which should have boosted your confidence over last 2years and given you more 'faith' in yourself and abilities to. SA Uranus is now conj natal Jupiter suggesting bit more risk taking and actions more impuslive, spasmodic or maybe this is projected onto friendships. All this doesn't really help rectify your time though...
 
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Ok, I'll try to go one at a time. I've had siblings born at (my) age 4, 8 and 11. I also moved when I was aged 3, 8 and then 26... a whole bunch of other times after that I can't exactly recall.

Yes, things were tense with an elder in my teen years before 18. But I think you are right, because yr. 18 I remember being a relief - so year 17 was very hard. :)

Well done, now try moving MC so it's about 2' cos that will give you age4 first house move, and age 8 second move SA MC onto venus for sibling born and house move. Are you close relationship with this sibling and was it a girl? This means an 'earlier' time than now:biggrin:

so, then your MC at 8'50" lets just round that upto 9' and then move it 1' til it conjuncts natal venus at 10' could suggest a house move or sibling born?
Now move natal mars Solar arc onto MC age 10 prob house move with family.
Age 22 SA MC onto Neptune 1' did anyone disappear, die or have any mysterious illnesses? Any job end or relationship end? any disillusionment connected to friends or betrayals?

Ic=home roots opposite MC 8'50" taurus. Age 8 then did someone become distant, aloof, disappear from home roots??

You definately getting the idea. Lots of people takes years to rectify a time properly and you've made a great start. Another idea is watch/track T mars and T mercury cos I find them very obvious when they cross the Asc. Around 11th August in Gemini will conj your Desc which maybe energy, communications (arguements poss) with partner, husband or boyfriend. You going to have to wait quite a while before it crosses your Asc.... so patience.
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/aug2009gmt.shtml
 

Frank

Well-known member
It's not secret here that I am a big fan and as it was recommended in another thread by someone I hope you don't mind me using. The only little problem I have with the article (after reading it thoroughly) is that you don't use or SA Angles themselves like I do ie: SA MC and ASC in particular:innocent:

Oh, I use them - they just aren't mentioned much in the article.
 
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