J.F.K. Part of Assassination ~ experiment

[piercethevale]

Howdy.
The following is quite a surprise to to me...I was only 'experimenting' with an alternative theory of mine pertaining to the Part of Assassination. [this is only a theory..conjecture at worst... but as this first attempt has proven to be noticeable I plan on using the application of it on every nation of which I can get accurate birth data on it's leader'[s]. If I continue to get the same or similar results I'll be letting you all know.
The Formula I using here is [there are two that are both titled the same...different formula-same title...this particular formula has proven it self to me.] Asc. + R12th - Neptune.
As the 12th House Cusp of the chart I'm using is in Capricorn... and as I consider Jupiter to be the 'Ruler' of Capricorn [see my thread: "A Runic Explanation of the Zodiac', here at AW, for more on that]

I am going to cast a chart for 12:29 PM, November 22, 1963 Dallas, Texas and then I'm going to extract the Part of assassination from it.
The Asc, 19* Aquarius 01' 07' + Jupiter, O9* Aries 48' 51" - Neptune, 15* Scorpio 55' 22" = 12* Cancer 54' 36"

The USA Natal chart for 12:00:01 AM July 4, 1776 has Sun @ 12* Cancer 38' 28".

In any Nations natal chart the 'Sun' could only be, symbolically the Leader of that nation [that's the way I 'see it', it would definitely be one role given to the Suns meaning in a Nation natal chart...maybe the only role of the Sun.

Another way to view it/ explain it...

I see it as this. It's the Part of Assassination for that place and time and what is 'targeted is the either a man [Sun] or a woman [Moon] at the 13th degree of Cancer...
For those of you that are incessantly hollering that Saturn rules Capricorn.
Utilizing Saturn in the formula will get you 20* Taurus 44' {The USAs Part of Catastrophe is @ 17* Taurus 44' .}



The chart of J.F.K.s assassination using the local co-ordinates...

[piercethevale]

I forgot to attach the chart....sorry.

I just found that the N. Node was conj. the USA natal [mine] chart Part of Deceit [in Love] [Asc. + Neptune - Venus] @
11* Cancer 40' 17"
Jupiter was conj. USA natal Part of Transformation [Asc. + Uranus - Mars] @ 09* Aries 29' 49' [See my thread on that: USA natal Part of Transformation as Uranus will strike it next April. ...oddly the event chart here has the same Horizon 20thAquar./Leo as the event next April...but reversed...!?!

[piercethevale]

So Deceit in Love...and Lilith is near conj. with USA natal Part of Fortune @ 25* Scorpio 45' 42".... WOW!

...I'm seeing something here...quite possibly with a monogram of MM....hmmmm!?!?

[piercethevale]

another observation.

the 12 house cusp @ 19* Cap. 48' of the event chart is a near exact to a conj. with mid-point [19* Cap 38'] between USA natal Pluto [27* Cap. 33' 56"] and USA natal M.C [11* Cap. 44' 18" and USA natal Part of
Disappointments [Asc. + Mars - Neptune] @ 19* Cap. 58' 20"

This event charts' 8th house is occupied by USA natal Desc., Saturn, Juno and the Vertex. {and the USA natal Part of Distress, of Bankruptcy]

[piercethevale]

I wanted to mention that I had a

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and progressed my USA natal chart ['zero hour' July 4, 1776 chart to the date of the assassination and guess what?

A Pluto 'Final return' from it's retrograde position in the natal chart had occurred.
Now it is 10' of a degree more than the natal chart Pluto...but that is a very small matter of difference...close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades

If you'll also notice the Progressed South Node is now conj. the same degree as the natal Pluto and the progressed Pluto

Also progressed Mars is conj. the natal vertex

[piercethevale]

Of notable possible interest is that the Asc. [the "WHO" of this chart] is the 17th of Libra.
[From Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian symbols,"An Astrological Mandala"]

Libra 14* "IN THE HEAT OF THE NOON HOUR A MAN TAKES A SIESTA.

KEYNOTE: The need for recuperation within the social pattern of everyday activity.
"
Well, I hate to put it so bluntly but J.F.K. did take a permanent 'Dirt Nap' as is the vernacular of the day.

The Desc. [the "WHERE-TO" of this chart} is the 14th of Aries...and one I've run into again and again as it was Miss Xs' [from my book] and mine composite Venus, it is Mitt Romney's 12th House cusp [see my thread on Mitt and the USA natal in comparison, it's why he is so committed to his marriage and the institution of marriage and wants to protect it as a 'spiritual rite'. ]
[ibid.]
Aries 14* "A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN.

KEYNOTE: Identification in bipolar relationship with the impersonal rhythm of natural energy. ...
...The urge to blow up some structure which somehow has become in the activist's mind a symbol of the Establishment — the ruling elite — is usually the protest of an alienated and often immature mind that refuses relationship, because in the relationship he would occupy a subservient position. [This is the Adam and Eve symbol or Ish and Isha in Hebrew.][From Marc Edmond Jones' book on the Sabian symbols] "When positive, the degree is exceptional self-discipline in the continual acquisition of a very real understanding, and when negative, a surrender to lower or transient impulses in every area of personal experience."


You have to read the symbol for the 13th of Aries to understand the excerpt from the definition in that the previous symbol is about an unexploded bomb that an 'activist' has apparently built and or placed in some strategic place or a place od synbolism as to make a statement. [by Marc Edmond Jones' book on the Sabians] "When positive, the degree is a dramatic rejection of any accomplishment falling at all short of very deep or hallowed purpose, and when negative, a waste of opportunity and a futile expenditure of self through vanity or petulance."

So it seems, again, there is reference to some degree about a woman and a relationship involved here.

[piercethevale]

The M.C. of this chart, at the 17th of Capricorn for the progressed USA natal ['zero hour', July 4, 1776], in my opinion, should be read as the "WHY" of this chart rather than the "HOW" as it seems to me that what had occurred was not 'Spiritually Evolutionary' but those of you that might see it that way, rather than being "Materially Involutionary", will want to interpret it as the "HOW".
*[it is my 'Part of Catastrophe'. btw... and considering the time I grew up during,what with all the drugs, loose sex, and everything else that went with the times from the 1960s to the early 1980s', when AIDS came into the scene, I could have very well ended up dead even before I ever got to get to start studying Astrology in the summer of 1984...and it's really none of anyones business, but it is because of this being my Part of Catastrophe that I drove for two days to L.A. and threw myself at my brothers doorstep and charitable mercy for a place to stay and 'rejoin myself' allowing me to re-organize my life and make a fresh start from a life that was going nowhere back in the Lake Tahoe area, where I had lived for the previous 9 years...the last year or two having allowed my self to 'lose some inhibitions' ..if you understand what I mean...if you don't...use your imagination.]
[Rudhyar's book]
Capricorn 17* "A REPRESSED WOMAN FINDS A PSYCHOLOGICAL RELEASE IN NUDISM.

KEYNOTE: The escape from bondage to social inhibitions
Under the pressure of religions that have created a sharp and unwholesome division [The word, "unwholesome", here does not apply when this symbol is found to be the degree of the Zodiac your Part of Catastrophe is in. Take my word for it ptv] between soul and body, society has produced strict codes of values regarding the play of natural instincts, and has glorified them under the name of "decency" and "modesty. ...[Rudhyar's keyword summation of the definition of the sabian symbol is]"

...And yet again , we have another symbol of a woman doing something she felt socially inhibited from doing... the question is ...is it literally symbolic in this instance or just allegorically and somewhat rhetorically so?

*{I do wish to point out, as I have in so many posts in many threads, that I have found repeatedly that when one is living a 'Spiritually Evolutionary' life that one then finds that the symbolism from the Sabians is quite literally applied. The part of Catastrophe must be! As that of my proposed birth chart for Yeshu'a/Jesus has the 28th of Virgo for it's Part of Catastrophe and the symbol for that degree is about challenging religious and political power bases/structures/institutions... and I pretty sure most of you all will agree with the fact that that is why he was crucified.}

[piercethevale]

And Chiron in the progressed natal USA chart I'm using is in the 17th of Aries...
[Rudhyar]
Aries 17* "TWO DIGNIFIED SPINSTERS SITTING IN SILENCE.

KEYNOTE: The ability to transform a natural lack of potency into poise and inner serenity. ...

... In our culture, the "spinster" represents the woman who has been unable to meet or accept the vitalizing power of love and organic fulfillment through biological polarization. Yet the symbol depicts two spinsters, emphasizing that refusing the natural expression of bipolar love has produced a special kind of dualism of experience. The two women are silent because this dualism has a narcissistic character. Life has turned inward seeing itself in a self-created mirroring. We have here the result of a negative inward approach to potency. ..."[and according to Marc Edmond Jones' book on the Sabian symbols] "When positive, the degree is an utter fidelity to self and all its special idealizations of its own capacities, and when negative, an increasing exaltation of shallow interests and a witless pretense of distinction and great virtue."

I'm not even going to say it, I think you all know what I would refer to here... with out having to do that....

[piercethevale]

Uranus, "The Planet of Sudden Change" is in the 8th of Gemini, in the progressed USA natal chart I'm using here.
[Rudhyar]
Gemini 8* "AROUSED STRIKERS SURROUND A FACTORY.

KEYNOTE: [I]The disruptive power of the ambitious mind upon the organic wholeness of human relationship.[/I] ...
... The arousal is presented to us here in its collective social form because we have reached the emotional-cultural level. The type of power generated by the analytical intellectual faculties is essentially disruptive; it is based on the destruction of matter, and invites egocentric hoarding and spoliation — and, in general, privileges of one kind or another. This leads to a REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES."

p.s. I forgot to mention that the 8th degree of Gemini is also the 'Part of Destiny' for the USA natal chart I'm using. The formula for the Part of destiny is M.C. + Sun - Moon. Uranus has been in this degree in a progressed chart since before the J.F.K. assassination and is still there as of the present date here in Sept., 2012.

[piercethevale]

The Vertex of this chart... the 7th of Taurus...[Rudhyar]

Taurus 7* "THE WOMAN OF SAMARIA AT THE ANCESTRAL WELL.

KEYNOTE: The meeting of the traditional past and of the creative spirit pointing to the future.

[By legend, Yeshu'a once met a ]Samaritan woman at an ancestral well. [The Samaritans were a tribe of people hated and despised by the Jews. And this woman,] moreover, she is unmarried and therefore on the fringe of even her own society. ... [But to this Samaritan woman]- who, in her openness to love's urgings, had already repudiated any narrow subservience to the old order - [Yeshu'a reveled who he was and what his incarnation in that lifetime was as to His 'Dharma'...or at least a part of it] The highest meets the lowest when this lowest is free from traditional bonds and open to love. The creative future descends first to that which has become chaos. An old order is never open to a new Revelation until it has accepted disorder in the name of that Power which subsumes all forms of order, i.e. Love. ..."

...and...again, I'm not going to even comment...it's too dang obvious, ...imho...

[piercethevale]

The Sun is in the 18th of Capricorn and being nearly conjunct the I.C. of the chart adds greatly to the message of the "HOW" of this chart [or the "WHY" for those of you that wish to interpret it that way]
[From Rudhyar's Book]

Capricorn 18* "THE UNION JACK FLAG FLIES FROM A BRITISH WARSHIP.

KEYNOTE: The protection afforded to individuals and groups by powerful institutions in charge of maintaining order. ...

... Power is required to maintain social order and relatively peaceful interpersonal as well as international relationships. [Although this kind of 'Power' can just as well and very easily as well be corrupt or corrupted and be so applied] under the pretext of preserving "law and order." Justice and compassion must balance social power, and especially the power of privileged groups. Where this symbol appears, the need for protection may be in evidence — or it may be a warning against using power for selfish advantage. [underlined for my purpose of emphasis. ptv]

[This is a symbol] of the ambivalence of POLITICAL POWER, its value and its dangers."

[piercethevale]

I find nearly all the Sabian symbolism quite poignant in this chart...I encourage all of you that have an interest in Sabian symbology to refer to the symbols for as many of the other astro influences in this chart as you are able to.
I would indulge us all with some more ...but...it's been a long day. I might get around to it some other time I do recommend checking out Venus in the 25th of Aquarius [it is a symbol I know quite well as it is the degree of both my natal Moon and I.C. of my natal chart] and for those of you that have belief in astrological affect from Pallas be sure to read the symbol for the 27th of Aquarius. Pallas is said to be found where one finds it difficult to admit to the 'Feminine nature. It also represents the challenge of recognizing the relationships between ones Feminine aspects of being with courage, success and intelligence, which are generally, and by most traditions [whether correctly or not] as "Male domains". It is believed to be related to Libra and or Leo and has been conjectured to be either the ruler or exhalted in Aquarius.

I'd also like to point out, as I did mention the Part of Catastrophe for Yeshu'a/Jesus by my proposed chart for Him,. If you will recall that is the 28th of Virgo and that is where Neptune is in this progressed USA natal chart for the 'zero hour' July 4, 1776.
ptv

[piercethevale]

The 28th of Virgo is where the "Part of Catastrophe' calculates to be in the chart I've presented and given cause and explanations as to be considered the birth chart of Yeshu'a/ Jesus of Nazareth.

In this progressed USA natal chart [zero hour 7/4/1776] it is the position of Neptune; [Rudhyar's book on the Sabians provides...]

Virgo 28* "A BALDHEADED MAN WHO HAS SEIZED POWER.

KEYNOTE: The sheer power of personality in times that call for decision.

Whether at the religious or at the socio-political and cultural level there comes a time when obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged. Catabolic personages emerge to seize power and dictate decisions that alter the structures of society; or within an individual life, an intense urge for cathartic changes mobilizes the will, and traumatic decisions are made. At such times, the issue has to be met and, ruthless as the power may appear, [it could only be, as it was eventually, accepted....although many were, and still are, unwilling to accept it,... even today...some 49 years later.]

[piercethevale]

Well, s the time given for JFK's birth is exactly 3:00 pm I am reluctant to use it for the reason that it usually indicates that it's an estimate.

But just to see what comes up ...whoa.
His natal Nodes are conj. my USA natal charts' I.C and M.C. axis. 'Shades of Mitt Romney!?!
Romney has natal I.C. conj. the USA natals North Node where as JFK had his North Node conj. the USA natals I.C. ...!
The Part of Assassination [Asc. + R12th - Neptune] for this 3:00 pm natal chart is at 07* Leo 55' ...that's practically conj. the USA natal North Node.
His natal Moon @ 17* Virgo 13' is conj. the USA natals' Part of Spirit/Soul @ 17* Virgo 18'
His natal Vertex @ 17* Taurus 59' is conj. the USA natals' Part of Catastrophe @ 17* Taurus 44'
His natal Saturn @ 27* Cancer 10' is nearly conj. the USA natals' Part of Tragedy/Fatality @ 28* Cancer 33'
His Asc./Desc. axis is but about one degree difference from that of the USA natal chart...only reversed.

JFK had natal Lilith and Pallas conj in the 23rd degree of Leo and that also happens to be the hermetic Lot of Necessity for the USA natal chart.

JFKs PoF is the 30th of Capricorn...Wow, powerful Sabian symbol! [Rudhyar]

Capricorn 30* "A SECRET MEETING OF MEN RESPONSIBLE FOR EXECUTIVE DECISIONS IN WORLD AFFAIRS.

KEYNOTE: The power to assume responsibility for crucial choices arrived at after mature discussions with those who share this power."

JFKs natal Chiron @ 29* Pisces 26' is conj. the USA natals' Part of Commerce @ 29* Pisces 44' and the USA natals' Part of Treasure @ 29* Pisces 13'

JFKs' Asc @ 19* Libra 59' 55" is conjunct the USA natals Part of Bankruptcy @ 19* Libra 18'


[it's time for me to retire...I'll pick up where I left off some time in the future..feel free to extrapolate, comment, run with, shoot down, etc... whatever...have at!]

JFKs natal chart using the 3:00 pm time, also the JFK USA natal composite chart and a JFK USA natal composite chart for the date of his assassination.

[piercethevale]

Notice thatthe JFK USA natal composite chart has a PoF @ 27* Sag. 31 and that the USA natal charts Part of Peril is @ 27* Sag. 36'

The same comp. chart has its' Sun @ 25* Gemini 15' and the USA natal charts' Part of Imprisonment is @ 25* Gemini 46'


I also find it extremely interesting that the comp. chart has a Lilith - Saturn conj.!

The comp charts Chiron @ 09* Aries 46' conj. the USA natals Part of Transformation is of note too.

Also please note that the USA natal charts Part of Success [Asc. Jupiter - PoF] is @ 01* Sag. 35'
and that the USA natal charts Part of Luck [Asc. + Moon - Jupiter] is @ 02* Sag.33'
The comp. charts' Moon is @ 02* Sag. 01'


...and just one quick comment on the progressed comp chart. The North Node of that chart is the 20th of Libra and that is the USA natal charts Part of Bankruptcy...and there has been some speculation about JFK being targeted for issuing 'Treasury Notes' again, just prior to his assassination.



[also of personal interest to me is that the comp charts Mars is @ 04* Gemini 40" conj my natal Mars @ o4* Gemini 05']

[piercethevale]

As I have been posting this following info in those threads of mine in which the info is of consideration, this thread is in need of the following.

The correct point for the Part of Destiny is @ 07* Gemini 33' 09., that is the 8th degree of Gemini and not the 18th degree as I had posted in various threads. I apologize for this oversight concerning my calculations which was in error.
In a progressed natal chart for the United States, Uranus has been there since before J.F. K. was assassinated.

Thus said, if you'll refer back to post #9 you'll find why this is of particular interest as to this topic.

Again, my apologies. ptv

[Culpeper]

This a most interesting thread on JFK. Although the 3:00 pm time looks like an estimate, it still works very well for astrological purposes. It gives a very close prediction of his death.