Say that Mercury - the querent- in Sagittarius 22°17'47" angular in 4th house and Quesited in Taurus in 0°28' in 9th house.
Mercury will trine jupiter in 8°11 and Jupiter receives the trine in his rulership and mercury receives Jupiter in face BUT before Mercury reach Jupiter, Mercury will sextile a well degnified Saturn in libra 28°24' , so Saturn prohibits the matter -not the traditional way of prohibition that demands the intervenes of a swifter planet- but when can we judge that the prohibition just mean obstacle- delay? From the aspect and the receptions?
According to the Factors that configure a prohibition -From considerations about Masha'allah teachings of Horary Astrology- then the intervenes of a planet
does not prohibit :
1. If the significator commits it's disposition to another planet but the last one receives the significator.
2. If this planet is a fortunate star
3. If the planet is in an angle or in a place of his own strenght
then to the above example Mercury will reach Saturn before Jupiter but Mercury will apply a sextile from an angle to an essentially by exaltation dignified Saturn in 3 house that offers accidental dignity. If Saturn is the more degnified planet in the chart with more strenght that the others and receives Mercury in term and face and mercury will receive Saturn in Triplicity and then Mercury will trine a benefic star which is a significator too -peregrine but accidentally dignified- and receives the trine that mercury brings in his rulership and mercury receives Jupiter in face then, does saturn impede mercury for reaching jupiter or not?
At the same time moon in 28°41 of Aries in 9th house as a co- significator is seperating from a trine to Mercury and apply a conjunction to Jupiter , 1°47 till perfection but after changing signs - I do use that aspect and say that moon is not void-. At her current state Jupiter receive the conjunction in Triplicity and moon receives Jupiter in exaltation and triplicity and the Moon is also increasing in dignity upon aspect but the moon just seperated from a partile opposition to saturn in -0°18 orb so the moon translates the light from Saturn ? In this case do we count the moon as a co-significator conjuncting the quesited or as a translator of light due to the seperation of Saturn?
With this kind of convo would the manifestation of the combination - of Mercury-querent- trining Jupiter-quesited- and Mercury received in rulership but with the well degnified Saturn prohibiting mercury by a sextile aspect with mix reception and at the same time with the moon conjuncting Jupiter-quesited -The Greater Benefic- with mutual reception and increasing in dignity upon the aspetc but just seperated from Saturn -though it's good that there is the seperation from the malefic- be a positive one and say that the matter would come to pass with delay and after overcoming obstacles ?
Relevant References :
About Prohibition:
Antony Louis to his book refers about prohibition that the significators moving to perfection but a SWIFTER planet intervenes and prohibits meaning that either mercury needs to apply to aspect to a swifter planet than jupiter or a swifter planet than mercury applys to mercury or a swifter planet that jupiter applys to jupiter.
About Moon in Late Degrees :
Lilly says: A planet is void of course, when he is separated from a planet, nor doth forthwith, during his being in that sign, apply to any other: ...".Contrary to what most of us understood, this does not mean that the aspect has to perfect while the Moon is in its current sign. What it does mean is that the application has to be in effect while the Moon is in its current sign. Application operates only when the Moon (or planet) is 'within orbs' of the planet it next meets by major aspect. It doesn't matter, from this point of view, that it has to leave the sign before perfecting the aspect. So, to be void of course the Moon (or planet) has to be out of orb of the next planet it might meet by major aspect - even if it will eventually perfect this aspect within the current sign.
This matter largely depends on the definition of application in Lilly's terms, and those of the authors he drew upon, and it meant to be within orb. The application happeneth when as the circles or beames of the planettes come to joyne togeather by a corporall conjunction or by aspecte of the one half of their deamiters. This definition is clear: a planet cannot be said to be applying until it is within orb, or joint moieties, of another. The meaning of application has altered in modern times to that of 'moving forward in the sign', but Lilly deals with this separately. 'Applying to' means to be within the joint moieties of the two planets concerned.The evidence in Christian Astrology supports this almost exclusively and I conclude that the Moon is not void of course if it is contacting another planet through the joint moieties, whether it perfects in or out of its current sign. Therefore, the Moon (or planet) can be void of course even when it is in early degrees, if the next planet it meets in major aspect is out of orb.
About Factors that does not configure a prohibition -From considerations about Masha'allah
teachings of Horary Astrology :
1. If the significator commits it's disposition to another planet but the last one receives the significator.
2. If this planet is a fortunate star
3. If the planet is in an angle or in a place of his own strenght
example
mercury be in 10 capri looking for an aspectual conjuction with venus at 16 of cancer and mercury perfects the aspect to saturn first, mercury is in saturns domicile so saturn does not impede mercury for reaching venus.
venus does not receive mercury and mercury does not receive venus but venus is a fortunate star and if in a strong the matter will come to pass even if venus is not a significator and saturn is malefic, and both angular.
Masha' allah says:''...the end of the matter will be according the lord of the matter sought for because of a fortunate planet is in a good place even without reception'' page 32
Let's suppose that saturn did not receive mercury in the above case but was in an angle and in one of his dignities aqua-capri-libra Masha'allah admits that in this case at least part of the matter would cometo pass.
B. Also planets in the Asc or in the house of the matter should be a participant in the work even if they are less important that moon and the primal significators can offer possitive help. If a planet that is in the asc it is received by a planet applyng to it , it's an indicative of the goodness of the matter.
C. The moon and significators can transfer to the next sign to complete the apsect as long as they are in application in the current sign then judge accordingly to the planet to whom the moon or the primal significator will be joined first.
Your insights would be beneficial for understanding how this combination would manifest itself in a relationship-horary chart.
Mercury will trine jupiter in 8°11 and Jupiter receives the trine in his rulership and mercury receives Jupiter in face BUT before Mercury reach Jupiter, Mercury will sextile a well degnified Saturn in libra 28°24' , so Saturn prohibits the matter -not the traditional way of prohibition that demands the intervenes of a swifter planet- but when can we judge that the prohibition just mean obstacle- delay? From the aspect and the receptions?
According to the Factors that configure a prohibition -From considerations about Masha'allah teachings of Horary Astrology- then the intervenes of a planet
does not prohibit :
1. If the significator commits it's disposition to another planet but the last one receives the significator.
2. If this planet is a fortunate star
3. If the planet is in an angle or in a place of his own strenght
then to the above example Mercury will reach Saturn before Jupiter but Mercury will apply a sextile from an angle to an essentially by exaltation dignified Saturn in 3 house that offers accidental dignity. If Saturn is the more degnified planet in the chart with more strenght that the others and receives Mercury in term and face and mercury will receive Saturn in Triplicity and then Mercury will trine a benefic star which is a significator too -peregrine but accidentally dignified- and receives the trine that mercury brings in his rulership and mercury receives Jupiter in face then, does saturn impede mercury for reaching jupiter or not?
At the same time moon in 28°41 of Aries in 9th house as a co- significator is seperating from a trine to Mercury and apply a conjunction to Jupiter , 1°47 till perfection but after changing signs - I do use that aspect and say that moon is not void-. At her current state Jupiter receive the conjunction in Triplicity and moon receives Jupiter in exaltation and triplicity and the Moon is also increasing in dignity upon aspect but the moon just seperated from a partile opposition to saturn in -0°18 orb so the moon translates the light from Saturn ? In this case do we count the moon as a co-significator conjuncting the quesited or as a translator of light due to the seperation of Saturn?
With this kind of convo would the manifestation of the combination - of Mercury-querent- trining Jupiter-quesited- and Mercury received in rulership but with the well degnified Saturn prohibiting mercury by a sextile aspect with mix reception and at the same time with the moon conjuncting Jupiter-quesited -The Greater Benefic- with mutual reception and increasing in dignity upon the aspetc but just seperated from Saturn -though it's good that there is the seperation from the malefic- be a positive one and say that the matter would come to pass with delay and after overcoming obstacles ?
Relevant References :
About Prohibition:
Antony Louis to his book refers about prohibition that the significators moving to perfection but a SWIFTER planet intervenes and prohibits meaning that either mercury needs to apply to aspect to a swifter planet than jupiter or a swifter planet than mercury applys to mercury or a swifter planet that jupiter applys to jupiter.
About Moon in Late Degrees :
Lilly says: A planet is void of course, when he is separated from a planet, nor doth forthwith, during his being in that sign, apply to any other: ...".Contrary to what most of us understood, this does not mean that the aspect has to perfect while the Moon is in its current sign. What it does mean is that the application has to be in effect while the Moon is in its current sign. Application operates only when the Moon (or planet) is 'within orbs' of the planet it next meets by major aspect. It doesn't matter, from this point of view, that it has to leave the sign before perfecting the aspect. So, to be void of course the Moon (or planet) has to be out of orb of the next planet it might meet by major aspect - even if it will eventually perfect this aspect within the current sign.
This matter largely depends on the definition of application in Lilly's terms, and those of the authors he drew upon, and it meant to be within orb. The application happeneth when as the circles or beames of the planettes come to joyne togeather by a corporall conjunction or by aspecte of the one half of their deamiters. This definition is clear: a planet cannot be said to be applying until it is within orb, or joint moieties, of another. The meaning of application has altered in modern times to that of 'moving forward in the sign', but Lilly deals with this separately. 'Applying to' means to be within the joint moieties of the two planets concerned.The evidence in Christian Astrology supports this almost exclusively and I conclude that the Moon is not void of course if it is contacting another planet through the joint moieties, whether it perfects in or out of its current sign. Therefore, the Moon (or planet) can be void of course even when it is in early degrees, if the next planet it meets in major aspect is out of orb.
About Factors that does not configure a prohibition -From considerations about Masha'allah
teachings of Horary Astrology :
1. If the significator commits it's disposition to another planet but the last one receives the significator.
2. If this planet is a fortunate star
3. If the planet is in an angle or in a place of his own strenght
example
mercury be in 10 capri looking for an aspectual conjuction with venus at 16 of cancer and mercury perfects the aspect to saturn first, mercury is in saturns domicile so saturn does not impede mercury for reaching venus.
venus does not receive mercury and mercury does not receive venus but venus is a fortunate star and if in a strong the matter will come to pass even if venus is not a significator and saturn is malefic, and both angular.
Masha' allah says:''...the end of the matter will be according the lord of the matter sought for because of a fortunate planet is in a good place even without reception'' page 32
Let's suppose that saturn did not receive mercury in the above case but was in an angle and in one of his dignities aqua-capri-libra Masha'allah admits that in this case at least part of the matter would cometo pass.
B. Also planets in the Asc or in the house of the matter should be a participant in the work even if they are less important that moon and the primal significators can offer possitive help. If a planet that is in the asc it is received by a planet applyng to it , it's an indicative of the goodness of the matter.
C. The moon and significators can transfer to the next sign to complete the apsect as long as they are in application in the current sign then judge accordingly to the planet to whom the moon or the primal significator will be joined first.
Your insights would be beneficial for understanding how this combination would manifest itself in a relationship-horary chart.
Last edited: