Seeks Info on Small Talent Triangle
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miquar
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That's a very significant configuration and well worth researching. The orbs are very close and five planets are involved.
You'll probably have to piece it together, as you won't find anything that will comment on your particular combination of planets. The trine is very stable aspect, and so it benefits by being energised by the sextiles. It's a very fortunate configuration, bringing together the expansiveness of Jupiter with the discipline of Saturn. And there are recurring themes to simplify things - Saturn rules Mercury and Jupiter (which both involve learning and understanding) and Saturn can be considered as being in the 12th house as much as the 11th, the 12th house being the natural house of Pisces.
With Mercury and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 2nd house, there is a sense of needing to establish one's understanding in order to feel secure. This need will be sustained in some way by the flowing energy of the trine. The trine is in water, so the need for fusion with life, through spirituality, imagination or the warmth of human contact will perhaps motivate, or be satisfied through, the learning endeavours.
Mercury and Jupiter rule your Moon and Ascendant respectively. The Moon and Ascendant symbolise the way we are physically plugged into the world, so this conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 2nd is really trying to ground you in the physical world. The Sagittarius and Gemini parts of you may not like this, nor the Aquarian Sun.
Mercury is in Venus' natural house and Venus is in Mercury's natural house, so again there is a theme. Its very a creative configuration.
Mars may struggle to assert itself conjunct Venus in Pisces, and the trine to Saturn could make you accept other people's rules and values when you are deciding what you want.
With the talent triangle in water and earth signs, and fire and air strong in the chart, you may need to consciously strive to make full use of the talent triangle.
I'm not sure what to say about Chiron and the Moon's loose involvement with the talent triangle - the orbs are wide and the aspects 'out of sign'.
I've jumped about a lot - sorry. I would look at each placement individually and then put it together, keeping in mind the elemental balance of the chart as a whole. The nature of the aspects involved isn't the most important thing.
You'll probably have to piece it together, as you won't find anything that will comment on your particular combination of planets. The trine is very stable aspect, and so it benefits by being energised by the sextiles. It's a very fortunate configuration, bringing together the expansiveness of Jupiter with the discipline of Saturn. And there are recurring themes to simplify things - Saturn rules Mercury and Jupiter (which both involve learning and understanding) and Saturn can be considered as being in the 12th house as much as the 11th, the 12th house being the natural house of Pisces.
With Mercury and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 2nd house, there is a sense of needing to establish one's understanding in order to feel secure. This need will be sustained in some way by the flowing energy of the trine. The trine is in water, so the need for fusion with life, through spirituality, imagination or the warmth of human contact will perhaps motivate, or be satisfied through, the learning endeavours.
Mercury and Jupiter rule your Moon and Ascendant respectively. The Moon and Ascendant symbolise the way we are physically plugged into the world, so this conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 2nd is really trying to ground you in the physical world. The Sagittarius and Gemini parts of you may not like this, nor the Aquarian Sun.
Mercury is in Venus' natural house and Venus is in Mercury's natural house, so again there is a theme. Its very a creative configuration.
Mars may struggle to assert itself conjunct Venus in Pisces, and the trine to Saturn could make you accept other people's rules and values when you are deciding what you want.
With the talent triangle in water and earth signs, and fire and air strong in the chart, you may need to consciously strive to make full use of the talent triangle.
I'm not sure what to say about Chiron and the Moon's loose involvement with the talent triangle - the orbs are wide and the aspects 'out of sign'.
I've jumped about a lot - sorry. I would look at each placement individually and then put it together, keeping in mind the elemental balance of the chart as a whole. The nature of the aspects involved isn't the most important thing.
Bossette353
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Thank you, miguar, for that excellent analysis!!
Right now, I'm at a crossroads in my life and I really need to figure out how to manifest my goals, especially before my Saturn Return in 3 years. I'm considering going back to school to be an accountant, but before I do, I want to know if that is the path for financial stability/security, fulfillment, and satisfaction in my life? Saturn in Scorpio rules my 2nd House, and I've read that this placement brings great talent in the finanical/business sector. What are your thoughts on this?
Right now, I'm at a crossroads in my life and I really need to figure out how to manifest my goals, especially before my Saturn Return in 3 years. I'm considering going back to school to be an accountant, but before I do, I want to know if that is the path for financial stability/security, fulfillment, and satisfaction in my life? Saturn in Scorpio rules my 2nd House, and I've read that this placement brings great talent in the finanical/business sector. What are your thoughts on this?
miquar
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Hi Bossette353, I don't think I can answer your questions, and I don't think psychological astrology in general can provide these answers. But I have some thoughts and questions that I can share with you that might help you to see which is the best path for you.
Mercury in Capricorn in the 2nd does seem suited to accountancy, and perhaps Jupiter there too, although Jupiter is perhaps suited to something more speculative or meaningful. Capricorn likes to have a set of clear rules by which to function, but Jupiter might find accountancy too predictable and unimaginative. There is an very strong emphasis on the 2nd house in this chart, since the Sun and the chart ruler, Jupiter, are here. So its not surprising that you say you would like financial stability and security. But Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd needs to approach such matters in a way which gives expression to that which is unique and special in you (the Sun) through the manifestation of ideals and inventive thought. With both Jupiter and the Aquarian Sun in the 2nd, - and because of the more general influence of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius) near your Sagittarius ascendant - you might need to give yourself more space to grow in the long term. Of course you may decide to take up accounting in order to secure an income and develop other talents outside of this. Or you may use accountancy as a stepping stone into working in more speculative finance.
As you say, your 2nd house is ruled by Saturn, which is in Scorpio. Saturn is also one of the rulers of your Aquarian Sun, of course. Saturn in Scorpio does seek to establish an understanding of how energy and resources are shared and exchanged, and this includes financial dealings. Saturn here is very shrewd. In as much as it is in the 12th, it is especially sensitive to what is hidden from the awareness of most people, perhaps with an ability to be amongst the first to manifest opportunities.
Venus and Mars in Pisces are also very imaginative and perceptive. They may not get anything from accountancy, but your job doesn't have to fulfil your whole chart. A friend of mine is a professional gambler (horse racing) and he does very well out of it (he earns more than a GP!). He has a strongly placed Jupiter in Capricorn along with some fire and Aquarius energy, and also a strong Pisces streak. I think all these things are useful to him in his detailed study of form of horses, the confidence to take risks, the ability to make contacts and share information, and an intuitive grasp of statistics.
So it could be that the financial markets could be a good place for you to shine. I don'r know what its like in terms of getting a foot in the door and climbing the ladder, though. Its obviously a long time til your Saturn return, when you may well get a stronger idea of which concrete direction to go in. In the mean time, you could hink back to when transiting Saturn was square natal Saturn - What impulses and changes were around at that time that may well recur under the return?
Transiting Saturn will be busy before then in any case, now squaring the Jupiter Mercury conjunction (probably this is what has prompted you to think about your financial security at this time, and about new learning in that regard) and then squaring your Sun next year.
Another thing worth mentioning is the Moon in Gemini in the 6th - again this seems suited to something like accountancy, as long as it doesn't start to feel claustrophobic. The Moon is conjunct Chiron, so perhaps you have carried wounds which prevented you from fulfilling your instinctive need to learn in the past. If this is so, you may still have demons to face if you embark on learning again.
When transiting Uranus moves across your IC, you may get a surprise of some sort anyhow, or a flash of inspiration, which causes you to rethink or take new factors into account.
I don't know if any of this is useful - feel free to come back with more thoughts or questions if you like.
Mercury in Capricorn in the 2nd does seem suited to accountancy, and perhaps Jupiter there too, although Jupiter is perhaps suited to something more speculative or meaningful. Capricorn likes to have a set of clear rules by which to function, but Jupiter might find accountancy too predictable and unimaginative. There is an very strong emphasis on the 2nd house in this chart, since the Sun and the chart ruler, Jupiter, are here. So its not surprising that you say you would like financial stability and security. But Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd needs to approach such matters in a way which gives expression to that which is unique and special in you (the Sun) through the manifestation of ideals and inventive thought. With both Jupiter and the Aquarian Sun in the 2nd, - and because of the more general influence of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius) near your Sagittarius ascendant - you might need to give yourself more space to grow in the long term. Of course you may decide to take up accounting in order to secure an income and develop other talents outside of this. Or you may use accountancy as a stepping stone into working in more speculative finance.
As you say, your 2nd house is ruled by Saturn, which is in Scorpio. Saturn is also one of the rulers of your Aquarian Sun, of course. Saturn in Scorpio does seek to establish an understanding of how energy and resources are shared and exchanged, and this includes financial dealings. Saturn here is very shrewd. In as much as it is in the 12th, it is especially sensitive to what is hidden from the awareness of most people, perhaps with an ability to be amongst the first to manifest opportunities.
Venus and Mars in Pisces are also very imaginative and perceptive. They may not get anything from accountancy, but your job doesn't have to fulfil your whole chart. A friend of mine is a professional gambler (horse racing) and he does very well out of it (he earns more than a GP!). He has a strongly placed Jupiter in Capricorn along with some fire and Aquarius energy, and also a strong Pisces streak. I think all these things are useful to him in his detailed study of form of horses, the confidence to take risks, the ability to make contacts and share information, and an intuitive grasp of statistics.
So it could be that the financial markets could be a good place for you to shine. I don'r know what its like in terms of getting a foot in the door and climbing the ladder, though. Its obviously a long time til your Saturn return, when you may well get a stronger idea of which concrete direction to go in. In the mean time, you could hink back to when transiting Saturn was square natal Saturn - What impulses and changes were around at that time that may well recur under the return?
Transiting Saturn will be busy before then in any case, now squaring the Jupiter Mercury conjunction (probably this is what has prompted you to think about your financial security at this time, and about new learning in that regard) and then squaring your Sun next year.
Another thing worth mentioning is the Moon in Gemini in the 6th - again this seems suited to something like accountancy, as long as it doesn't start to feel claustrophobic. The Moon is conjunct Chiron, so perhaps you have carried wounds which prevented you from fulfilling your instinctive need to learn in the past. If this is so, you may still have demons to face if you embark on learning again.
When transiting Uranus moves across your IC, you may get a surprise of some sort anyhow, or a flash of inspiration, which causes you to rethink or take new factors into account.
I don't know if any of this is useful - feel free to come back with more thoughts or questions if you like.
Bossette353
Well-known member
Again, thank you so much, Miquar, for your insight!! There is a branch of accountancy that allows for work in the investment/finance arena, so I will try to specialize in this. With Saturn currently transiting my 10th, I'm trying to make sure I'm settled in a career path before it leaves. My 6th house Gemini may have difficulty focusing on one task, but with Taurus on my 6th house cusp, I believe my incentive to focus will be getting a steady paycheck, LOL..Maybe this energy may manifest in the health arena as well? I'm also starting to get more into a more holistic approach to my physical well-being. I'm trying to time my decisions so that when Uranus enters Taurus, I can be prepared to reap the benefits. I know that this is far into the future, but if there's anything I've learned from Neptune and Chiron's transit of my 2nd house(which JUST ended, like, yesterday) , is that there's no such thing as over planning when it comes to my finances. When you fail to plan, you plan to fail. My Pluto is in Scorpio as well, and is currently transiting Capricorn - my 1st House. Perhaps these Uranus-Pluto squares can be a time of me transcending my past and empowering myself(Uranus will be transiting my 4th)? I hope so!! And, BTW, your knowledge has been extremely useful!! Thank you so much and feel free to ask me anything else or share any more of your insights.
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miquar
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Hi. I just wanted to say that I wouldn't worry about achieving certain targets by the time such and such a planet enters or leaves such and such a sign or house. The transits and progressions all overlap with and build upon one another as they come and go, and a given chapter or goal on your life won't be tied exclusively to any particular single planetary movement. Also, the house cusps are more blurry than the sign cusps, and on top of this you have to take into account that there is not a single house system that is (as far as anyone can prove) definitely true for all occasions and every person, and that if the birth time is not extremely accurate, the house cusps can easily be a degree or so out.
As the planets beyond Saturn are all either in, or about to move into, the early degrees of their respective signs, the effects of any transits to your natal chart may be weak compared to those of Saturn mentioned above - because in your birth chart, your planets mainly fall later in their respective signs. (The most likely exceptions to this are perhaps the quincunx of transiting Pluto, the sextile of transiting Uranus, and the square of transiting Chiron (and eventually transiting Netptune) to your natal Moon Chiron conjunction. Transits to the IC underline this lunar theme, and they are of course also transits to the MC, underlining the business of transiting Saturn next year. So there's a sense of reflecting on where you're going and also where you're coming from/what emotional foundations your worldly efforts are founded upon.
There may be progressed aspects and transits to important midpoints too of course that contrast with the Saturn transits, but as far as I can see, 2012 will most likely have a Saturnian feel overall, with transiting Jupiter square Sun possibly adding a different flavour at some point.
Learning new skills to enhance your usefulness and earning power is certainly implicated here, because both the Sun (to be squared by transiting Saturn next year) and the Moon are both in air signs and in earth houses. Though as I mentioned in another post, that Moon Chiron in Gemini in the 6th may have some self doubt around learning, and perhaps some tendency to use learning as a way of numbing wounds left over from early nurturing experiences (there is a suggestion that your mother may have been somewhat emotionally detached and pre-occupied with her curiosity and need for order than with relaxing fully into the maternal role??)
I think its important with Saturn transits to take stock of the ambitions that we are pursuing, rather than just ploughing on with them automatically. Not all of our ambitions are in line with our authenticity, but we cling to them rather than feel the insecurity and fear that caused us to take on the goal in the first place (when we were too young to know that this is what we were doing). I'm not saying that you are necessarily carrying ambitions and goals that aren't really 'you' - only you can know that.
There are things in your chart that suggest a tendency to worry too much about financial matters - mainly the Pluto squares to the 2nd house planets. Although these squares are quite wide by my reckoning, it looks as though Pluto may be quite closely square the Sun/Mercury and Jupiter/Mercury midpoints, thereby strengthening this theme. Since Pluto tends to bring a heightened sense of threat, you may feel driven to secure your resources in response. This can be a creative thing obviously, as long as it is kept in moderation, and the underlying fears are acknowledged as fully as possible. Pluto being in the 11th house of group activities suggests that you may fit in well with the investment/banking world, which is ruled by Pluto.
Please take everything I say with a pinch of salt, seeing how points raised here resonate with you, and where resistance or eagerness around my comments illuminate your deeper motivations and needs.
Hope your Christmas has been good.
As the planets beyond Saturn are all either in, or about to move into, the early degrees of their respective signs, the effects of any transits to your natal chart may be weak compared to those of Saturn mentioned above - because in your birth chart, your planets mainly fall later in their respective signs. (The most likely exceptions to this are perhaps the quincunx of transiting Pluto, the sextile of transiting Uranus, and the square of transiting Chiron (and eventually transiting Netptune) to your natal Moon Chiron conjunction. Transits to the IC underline this lunar theme, and they are of course also transits to the MC, underlining the business of transiting Saturn next year. So there's a sense of reflecting on where you're going and also where you're coming from/what emotional foundations your worldly efforts are founded upon.
There may be progressed aspects and transits to important midpoints too of course that contrast with the Saturn transits, but as far as I can see, 2012 will most likely have a Saturnian feel overall, with transiting Jupiter square Sun possibly adding a different flavour at some point.
Learning new skills to enhance your usefulness and earning power is certainly implicated here, because both the Sun (to be squared by transiting Saturn next year) and the Moon are both in air signs and in earth houses. Though as I mentioned in another post, that Moon Chiron in Gemini in the 6th may have some self doubt around learning, and perhaps some tendency to use learning as a way of numbing wounds left over from early nurturing experiences (there is a suggestion that your mother may have been somewhat emotionally detached and pre-occupied with her curiosity and need for order than with relaxing fully into the maternal role??)
I think its important with Saturn transits to take stock of the ambitions that we are pursuing, rather than just ploughing on with them automatically. Not all of our ambitions are in line with our authenticity, but we cling to them rather than feel the insecurity and fear that caused us to take on the goal in the first place (when we were too young to know that this is what we were doing). I'm not saying that you are necessarily carrying ambitions and goals that aren't really 'you' - only you can know that.
There are things in your chart that suggest a tendency to worry too much about financial matters - mainly the Pluto squares to the 2nd house planets. Although these squares are quite wide by my reckoning, it looks as though Pluto may be quite closely square the Sun/Mercury and Jupiter/Mercury midpoints, thereby strengthening this theme. Since Pluto tends to bring a heightened sense of threat, you may feel driven to secure your resources in response. This can be a creative thing obviously, as long as it is kept in moderation, and the underlying fears are acknowledged as fully as possible. Pluto being in the 11th house of group activities suggests that you may fit in well with the investment/banking world, which is ruled by Pluto.
Please take everything I say with a pinch of salt, seeing how points raised here resonate with you, and where resistance or eagerness around my comments illuminate your deeper motivations and needs.
Hope your Christmas has been good.
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astrologer50
Banned
Actually, you have two interconnecting talent triangles which form a 'cradle' configuration....
Cradle configuration
two x talent triangles or minor grand trines, the outer two linked by an opposition. It seems to be a mixed blessing, with potential but to due them being easy aspects can lack the follow through to achieve. In male chats can lean towards extrovert, and in female charts passive, introvert qualities there is a need to be careful not to scatter energies without achieving much.
“The Cradle configuration has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress - or transform it into creativity”.
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/cradle_configuration.html
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figu...ed-aspects.php
http://cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
Cafeastrology calls this aspect Trapeze, which with my own research is not, but something different. The glossary below explains the differences.
http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/I-so-TOTALLY-have-a-Cradle-2271823.asp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1554
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...e_cradle.shtml
“The apex planet can be a source of great creativity that channels the stress into positive, constructive activity, although the stress of the opposition may or may not finally be resolved. The Cradle has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress — or transform it into creativity. However, with so much opportunity to avoid problems, the temptation to take the easy way out is very strong. As a result, with a Cradle configuration in their chart may find it very difficult to resolve/heal the conflicts in their life represented by the opposition”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
This last link is the best information available on this aspect
astrologer50
Banned
Cradle cont/….
“The more the person can learn to face and resolve the conflict of the opposition, the more they will be able to use the talents and natural abilities in the Cradle in ways that are healthy, constructive and healing. On the other hand, the avoidance of problems can generate some pretty impressive creative ability, in the broadest sense of the word - not just artistic but any innovative, original or imaginative approach to the obstacles and challenges of life.”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
You also have boomerang Yod with Moon as apex planet. Your exalted venus in pisces conj mars is also square neptune, this shows rose tinted glass in finances and romance.
Mars square Neptune
Mars‑Neptune Square Mars‑Neptune Opposition
Painful things either ignored ie self‑deception, or hypochondriac type, imaginary things (Neptune) Deceive or be deceived
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Mars_square_Neptune
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13104&page=2
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521
http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS
Quincunxs in natal
Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html
http://aliceportman.com/?p=452
boomerang Yod
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/yod_boomerang.shtml
http://www.therealastrology.com/home/faq/aspect-patterns.html
Sometimes these quincunxs are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.
Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
If someone has the ‘generational Pluto sextile neptune’ (born after 1940) then there is always a possibility of creating a temporary Yod with quicker moving planets, progressions, solar arcs even and difficult situations where you could be forced into making decisions and worrying that you have made the wrong one. Saturn, Uranus are generational to and unless these two fall in first quadrant (the most personal) the may not even be felt if they create a temporary Yod…this could be *transformation through suffering* type aspect
Thread by R4ven on Yods
“The more the person can learn to face and resolve the conflict of the opposition, the more they will be able to use the talents and natural abilities in the Cradle in ways that are healthy, constructive and healing. On the other hand, the avoidance of problems can generate some pretty impressive creative ability, in the broadest sense of the word - not just artistic but any innovative, original or imaginative approach to the obstacles and challenges of life.”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
You also have boomerang Yod with Moon as apex planet. Your exalted venus in pisces conj mars is also square neptune, this shows rose tinted glass in finances and romance.
Mars square Neptune
Mars‑Neptune Square Mars‑Neptune Opposition
Painful things either ignored ie self‑deception, or hypochondriac type, imaginary things (Neptune) Deceive or be deceived
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Mars_square_Neptune
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13104&page=2
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521
http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS
Quincunxs in natal
Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html
http://aliceportman.com/?p=452
boomerang Yod
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/yod_boomerang.shtml
http://www.therealastrology.com/home/faq/aspect-patterns.html
Sometimes these quincunxs are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.
Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
If someone has the ‘generational Pluto sextile neptune’ (born after 1940) then there is always a possibility of creating a temporary Yod with quicker moving planets, progressions, solar arcs even and difficult situations where you could be forced into making decisions and worrying that you have made the wrong one. Saturn, Uranus are generational to and unless these two fall in first quadrant (the most personal) the may not even be felt if they create a temporary Yod…this could be *transformation through suffering* type aspect
Thread by R4ven on Yods
astrologer50
Banned
Moon Quincunx Neptune
“Romantic and idealistic, you easily project qualities onto situations and people that they can't possibly live up to. The root of this problem is really inaccurate self appraisal. You expect more from yourself than is realistic, then react to your shortcomings with guilt driven service to others and deep expression of overly sympathetic feelings. In the long run you have many opportunities through this aspect of your nature to refine and express your higher vision of the truth to others. Through this expression your daily life becomes a clearer picture of your true inner being.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html
“You are like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens. Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can persecute yourself. Your imagination works overtime in creating problems to solve.
In any endeavour you must determine the limits of your responsibilities and avoid volunteering for additional tasks. Your physical constitution cannot tolerate abuse. Good food, nutritiously prepared under clean conditions, is absolutely necessary.
Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag
“Romantic and idealistic, you easily project qualities onto situations and people that they can't possibly live up to. The root of this problem is really inaccurate self appraisal. You expect more from yourself than is realistic, then react to your shortcomings with guilt driven service to others and deep expression of overly sympathetic feelings. In the long run you have many opportunities through this aspect of your nature to refine and express your higher vision of the truth to others. Through this expression your daily life becomes a clearer picture of your true inner being.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html
“You are like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens. Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can persecute yourself. Your imagination works overtime in creating problems to solve.
In any endeavour you must determine the limits of your responsibilities and avoid volunteering for additional tasks. Your physical constitution cannot tolerate abuse. Good food, nutritiously prepared under clean conditions, is absolutely necessary.
Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag
astrologer50
Banned
Moon Quincunx (Inconjunct) Pluto
You confuse intensity with desire, and need with love. As a consequence of this, your relationships with others (especially romantic partners) can be powerful and "spicy" without engendering much closeness. It takes time for you to recognize the habits that get in the way of intimacy; it takes time to alter them once recognized. Letting go of negative history lays the groundwork for change. Give others permission to be different than everyone else has been before. Through this, you give yourself permission to be different.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html
“indicates a personality that it precariously balanced. You must learn to temper your emotional compulsiveness with objectivity. You may have assumed that to gain anyone's love you must submit to them. Thus you overreact to other people's demands. You wrongly believe that those who use you must care for you in some way. But submission to another only earns you contempt. You have to unlearn old habit systems and develop new ones to avoid being. You will be at the mercy of others until you gather the strength to say no.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag
Moon conjunct Chiron
“You instinctively understand the mind/body connection and the role of emotions in illness and healing. You are challenged to heal yourself of a deep, emotional wound, possibly based in the experience of maternal rejection. Your healing process is supported by those close to you, and becomes a journey of spiritual awakening. You will gain much understanding and find keys that you can share with others. Avoid giving your power away to medical practitioners. Your healing must come from within.”
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Moon_Aspects.html
“Chiron - Moon: In the natal chart, a positive aspect can indicate a person who is extremely sensitive, empathic and mystical. "Boundary problems" are a big-time problem here, regardless of the supportive or challenging aspects. The degree to which this is a problem will be indicated by the aspects. Anyone with a Chiron-Moon placement should learn grounding principles and psychic protection. There can be indications of rejection by the mother if the aspects are challenging.”
http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat02.html
Forgot to mention Uranus is also a singelton, ie: only planet in fire element
You confuse intensity with desire, and need with love. As a consequence of this, your relationships with others (especially romantic partners) can be powerful and "spicy" without engendering much closeness. It takes time for you to recognize the habits that get in the way of intimacy; it takes time to alter them once recognized. Letting go of negative history lays the groundwork for change. Give others permission to be different than everyone else has been before. Through this, you give yourself permission to be different.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html
“indicates a personality that it precariously balanced. You must learn to temper your emotional compulsiveness with objectivity. You may have assumed that to gain anyone's love you must submit to them. Thus you overreact to other people's demands. You wrongly believe that those who use you must care for you in some way. But submission to another only earns you contempt. You have to unlearn old habit systems and develop new ones to avoid being. You will be at the mercy of others until you gather the strength to say no.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag
Moon conjunct Chiron
“You instinctively understand the mind/body connection and the role of emotions in illness and healing. You are challenged to heal yourself of a deep, emotional wound, possibly based in the experience of maternal rejection. Your healing process is supported by those close to you, and becomes a journey of spiritual awakening. You will gain much understanding and find keys that you can share with others. Avoid giving your power away to medical practitioners. Your healing must come from within.”
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Moon_Aspects.html
“Chiron - Moon: In the natal chart, a positive aspect can indicate a person who is extremely sensitive, empathic and mystical. "Boundary problems" are a big-time problem here, regardless of the supportive or challenging aspects. The degree to which this is a problem will be indicated by the aspects. Anyone with a Chiron-Moon placement should learn grounding principles and psychic protection. There can be indications of rejection by the mother if the aspects are challenging.”
http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat02.html
Forgot to mention Uranus is also a singelton, ie: only planet in fire element
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Bossette353
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I believe this is why I dropped out of school in the first place. Something about the learning process overall doesn't sit well with me, and I've been avoiding going back all this time until I finally realized I may have no other choice if I want to acheive my goals. I feel I was pushed too hard in grade school, and I guess leaving college was my way of "rebelling" and proving I can make decisions on my own. However, that tactic has failed miserably, and I'm still having to deal with others having control over my life. So, maybe, learning and going back to school will finally help heal those deep-seated wounds and finally leave my past behind? As far as my mother, she definitely exhibits Geminian behavior:nervous energy, restless, scattered , not seeming to be able to focus on one thing too long, chatty, etc. I do feel there were things both of my parents could have done better, but I think the best remedy for that would be for me to create my own life, and give my children what I would have liked to have.
I think originally I was trying to pursue ambitions/goals that were not really in line with who I am(being in the entertainment business), but during Saturn's transit of the 10th, I started to get real about why I ever carried that delusion in the first place, and I started to get clearer about what I really want out of life, which is just a decent, comfortable lifestyle to call my own and to manifest my ideals in reality.
I hope you're having a great holiday season, and much success in the New Year!!
Bossette353
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Thanks, astrologer50, for that info!! I didn't even notice that other triangle until now, LOL!! Are there any books you can recommend that give a more detailed analysis? I ordered the The Yod Book from Amazon and it's really helped me to understand my yod and how to integrate into my life. Those bad aspects to my Neptune had made it difficult to get a clear, realistic understanding on life, but now that it's moved to my 3rd House(transiting), I now see the importance of communicating myself more clearly and to the point and getting real with what I want out of life.
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Claire19
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If you mean trines as triangles??? Otherwise there is no such thing.
I would get rid of the asteroids and fixed stars also. They do not influence anything despite what others may say.. Okay perhaps Chiron but we dont really know what sort of body that is.....Trines in a chart show our skills and talents from the past that can be used but usually come second nature to us and we dont really have to address them, just take them for granted.
I would get rid of the asteroids and fixed stars also. They do not influence anything despite what others may say.. Okay perhaps Chiron but we dont really know what sort of body that is.....Trines in a chart show our skills and talents from the past that can be used but usually come second nature to us and we dont really have to address them, just take them for granted.
Claire19
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astrologer50
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From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag
also have a look through our *Recommendations Forum* for books and software
astrologer50
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have you seen that pic,it's incredibly poor and mixed up for some reason claire?
Talents can be seen all over the chart, not just 2nd, 5th house can show creativity, music, art etc
How on earth can you delinate *anything* if you do not use *aspects*??
Bossette353
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Thank you again everyone for your input!!