I very much doubt that from this chart as it appears above anyone would *pick* this person as the doer of the actions he is accused of.We have seen far *worse* charts here on the Forum, belonging to members. It's very easy to try to * fit the chart* to *explain* his actions.
What was said earlier was: "
Also, in Astrology, many things are interpreted 'in context', 'which' is very crystal clear in this brute's case."
This means that we (quite often) know the context before (when doing natal charts, at least) and then try to understand the energies of what aspects could the native of this chart (whose history is open to all now, Fritzl) have used. Surely many on and off this site have similar, even worse aspects/charts/whatever; but, like the example I gave in my previous post: "Person A could use Plu-Ven aspects to earn money, as an e.g.., whilst person B could be involved in obsessive relationships."
As to your point: "It's very easy to try to * fit the chart* to *explain* his actions." Well, I ask myself what else are we doing on this forum (except in horary and electional astro) with each and every natal chart that we discuss/interpret/delineate. Everytime a person says: What in my chart shows that I have a depressive nature?; we jump and say, look at those nasty Saturn-Sun or Saturn-Moon aspects (as an e.g.). What in my chart indicates that my relationships end so abruptly? and we say, hey look at that Ura in an aspect to your Ven or you Moon (as an e.g.)!!!!
The fact of the matter (in this case) is that we, Astrology students, have a confirmation in the case of Fritzl, who *chose* to use his Plutonic/Saturnine/Uranian and Martian energies the way he did. And we are trying to understand the Astrology behind it based on his natal chart. Others with similar aspects (like myself: a tight Sat-Mars-Plu t-square) use it for other purposes. After all there's *lots* in life you can do with the energies of those nine planets and their aspects with eachother (some other important factors they call breeding, free-will, environment, etc). But then, yes, you agreed to it later in your post that different people harness energies differently.
To say that *every planet aspects pluto* is only the case if one allows large orbs:
7deg separation from the square to uranus may be considered out of orb too-many many people would have had that aspect closer...
I really wonder where/which post you got *that* bit from
. Perhaps you are confusing it with: "Pluto in Fritzl's chart is further on very active." 'Very active' is obviously different from *that* bit
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And, while we are at it, once again, to take your sentence: *every planet aspects pluto*. Pluto 'in general and not in this chap's chart' aspects other planets and not the other way round (IMO).
As to your sentence: "7deg separation from the square to uranus may be considered out of orb too-many many people would have had that aspect closer..." Once again, the only thing I said about Pluto-Ura was: "Besides the generational aspects it forms with the likes of Uranus and Saturn" (with the 'it' there being for Plu), and did not even bother to dwell upon it (Plu-Ura) a second longer, as, the aspect is not only rather generational, but, because both are such slow-moving planets, and a 6°50' orb is too wide for me, too. So I wonder why you keep getting in the Plu-Ura aspect, whilst I, in my posts, mainly concentrated on Pluto's aspects to non-outer planets (not Ura/Nep, even Sat), hence more personal.
I don't think an orb of 3 degrees to an applying sesqui is excessive (saturn to pluto)
Who said it was excessive
? I didn't even bother to look at the minor aspects between two such slow-moving planets, as there seems to be enough other 'proof' or explaining factors in the chart for me, at least. Perhaps you were just explaining and I missed something.
An applying sextile of venus to pluto with an orb of 2 degrees would count.But how bad an aspect is it? It's usually regarded as an easy energy and I agree with you Aqu7000 that it's up to the native as to *how* an energy is harnessed, or managed. My point is though, that the venus /jupiter opposition is exact and obviously far more relevant as aspects go, than the sextile of venus to Pluto.
Well, how bad the Plu-Ven sextile can be, we have seen, though this is not to say that the sextile is a bad aspect, or that Plu-Ven is solely responsible for Fritzl's actions, which is why I bothered to delineate the chart further and said right at the onset of my first post itself : "a single aspect alone doesn't say enough about a person and certainly does not singularly justify such activities. So, let's look further."
Anybody practising Astrology, after learning about such a crime, would look at Pluto (and Mars, and Saturn..), which is what I did, too, and tried to understand how *this guy* could have used *his* Plu-Ven; Plu-Sun, etc, etc energies. I wasn't comparing Jup-Venus' exact opposition with Plu-Venus' sextile. You have to see the interplay, and, in his chart, we clearly see that Pluto is in tight aspects to both: Ven and Jup, so the nature of it's energy 'influences' both these planets, with the icing on this cake (though more bitter than sweet) being that both these planets, Jup & Ven, also tightly aspect each other. This, IMO, his actions have a lot to do with these three planets.
The reason I exclude the pluto/merc is because it is 7 deg separating,where its influence is decreasing, whilst the sat/neptune opposition is mutually applying.
I do think it makes a difference whether a planet is moving toward an aspect or departing from it.Others may disagree.
Well, separating and applying aspects make a difference, though actually more in horary, as there you always look at the 'development' of the situation while studying the chart. However, here we are looking at a natal chart, which is a *fixed* moment in time = the TOB of the native, with the natal chart reflecting the fundament and basic tendencies. To see how the native/his life will 'develop', we look at the 'transits' and usually not at the applying and separating aspects in his/her natal chart. But then this is my opinion.
Yet, to use the 'separating-applying' language, we note that the Pluto-Merc trine (major aspect, which allows for 7°orbs) is *not* a separating but an applying one, as Mercury is in forward motion and moving towards the slow-moving planet, Pluto.
As to the Nep-Sat opposition, well that again is a generational aspect between two quite slow-moving planets and, though mutually applying, in a 6°orb (isn't that too much for an aspect between two slow moving planets?).
The moon......so I don't think we can assume too much about the moon- except to say it either applies to or separates from a square to mercury and if he was born later in the day it could be separating from the square to mercury by as much as 9-degrees.
Oh dear, I will let that separation and application be now, but will just say that we can all see that there is a major aspect between the Moon and Merc, namely a square; and that, since we have no TOB, we should perhaps look at a mean/average in terms of degrees, the aspect of which then would count between these two fastest moving bodies.
I hope we can get a confirmed birth time at some point.
Perhaps, if someone wants to spend so much time on Fritzl. I, for my part, am at the end of my tether. He is been sent to jail with some well-deserved Pluto and Nep aspects in his transits' chart, and I am done with him.
Lord, I hope I haven't made too many syntax errors as my natal Uranus in the third and Aqua Merc do not possess the virtue of patience to 'carefully' read through this marathon of a post.
AQ7