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so if i give someone a 100 dollars they'll give me 100 dollars back

seems like a waste of time
If someone needs 100 dollars to buy something they need right away, and you give to them, you're helping that person. Then, when that person, or someone else, gives you 100 dollars when you need it, it helps you. It's about the timing.
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If someone needs 100 dollars to buy something they need right away, and you give to them, you're helping that person. Then, when that person, or someone else, gives you 100 dollars when you need it, it helps you. It's about the timing.
But what if I give someone a 100 dollars and they don't give me the money back. Besides, I always want my money back with interest.
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The basic idea is, if you're generous with others when they're in need, others (not necessarily the same people you help) will help you out when you need it. "What goes around, comes around."
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The basic idea is, if you're generous with others when they're in need, others (not necessarily the same people you help) will help you out when you need it. "What goes around, comes around."
You can make people give you stuff without being generous yourself.
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You can make people give you stuff without being generous yourself.
If you go robbing people with a six-gun, eventually you'll be on the run.
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If you go robbing people with a six-gun, eventually you'll be on the run.
You don't need to steal from people though. People will naturally give you stuff for no reason.
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You don't need to steal from people though. People will naturally give you stuff for no reason.
Are you saying you never give anyone anything unless they pay you for it? What about a friendly word when someone's depressed, or good advice or information?
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Are you saying you never give anyone anything unless they pay you for it? What about a friendly word when someone's depressed, or good advice or information?
No, people should give without a price.
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If someone needs 100 dollars to buy something they need right away
and you give to them, you're helping that person.
Then, when that person
or someone else
gives you 100 dollars when you need it, it helps you.
It's about the timing.

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But what if I give someone a 100 dollars and they don't give me the money back.
Besides,
I always want my money back with interest
.
Then it'll be no surprise
when you must return loans made to you - with interest



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The basic idea is, if you're generous with others when they're in need,
others (not necessarily the same people you help)
will help you out when you need it.
"What goes around, comes around."
Being a decent human being is a choice
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You can make people give you stuff without being generous yourself.
you speak as if experienced with "making people give you stuff
without being generous yourself"

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If you go robbing people with a six-gun,
eventually you'll be on the run.

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You don't need to steal from people though.
People will naturally give you stuff for no reason.
your capitalist employer won't even give a fair days pay


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Are you saying you never give anyone anything unless they pay you for it?
What about a friendly word when someone's depressed,
or good advice or information?
"a friendly word to someone depressed or good advice or information"
is undervalued
and taken for granted

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No, people should give without a price.
you pontificate that "people should give without a price"

HOWEVER

just moments ago
you said:

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But what if I give someone a 100 dollars
and they don't give me the money back.
Besides
I always want my money back with interest.

and you also said:
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You can make people give you stuff
without being generous yourself.
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Re: Virtue of being self-absorbed?

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you speak as if experienced with "making people give you stuff
without being generous yourself"
It's called manipulating people.

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your capitalist employer won't even give a fair days pay
Jupiter, I work at a restaurant, and I have no complaints with the money I make. They can pay me whatever they wish because I chose to work there.
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Re: Virtue of being self-absorbed?

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you pontificate that "people should give without a price"


Well if it's just advice or helping someone and it makes you happy then I don't see a problem.

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HOWEVER

just moments ago
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Money and just helping someone out are completely different. I want my money back. If I'm just giving you my advice, I don't expect anything in return because it was my pleasure to help you.
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Re: Virtue of being self-absorbed?

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It's called manipulating people.

Jupiter, I work at a restaurant
and I have no complaints with the money I make.
They can pay me whatever they wish
because I chose to work there.
keep in mind
the underlying reason you can "not complain with the money" you make
is that
- crucially
you yourself said

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Unlike most people, money isn't my problem.
so you can afford to "not complain"
and pontificate that
"they can pay me whatever they wish"
unlike the vast majority of the population
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keep in mind
the underlying reason you can "not complain with the money" you make
is that
- crucially
you yourself said


so you can afford to "not complain"
and pontificate that
"they can pay me whatever they wish"
unlike the vast majority of the population
That is very true and you make an excellent point.
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Well if it's just advice or helping someone
and it makes you happy then I don't see a problem.
Money and just helping someone out are completely different.
I want my money back.
If I'm just giving you my advice, I don't expect anything in return
because it was my pleasure to help you.
Fact is, many earn huge sums of money from giving advice
for example:
"How to succeed in Business" Advice is a huge money-spinner

HOWEVER
you, in common with many
while arguing that
and I quote:
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No, people should give without a price.
nevertheless
insist
that
while you are entitled to expect people to give to you without price
you yourself must be paid

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Re: Virtue of being self-absorbed?

Okay, I'm a hypocrite. I don't care.
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It's called manipulating people.

Jupiter, I work at a restaurant
and I have no complaints with the money I make.
They can pay me whatever they wish
because I chose to work there.
keep in mind
the underlying reason you can "not complain with the money" you make
is that
- crucially
you yourself said

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Unlike most people, money isn't my problem.
so you can afford to "not complain"
and state
"they can pay me whatever they wish"
unlike the vast majority of the population

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That is very true and you make an excellent point.
and FURTHERMORE
if
despite the fact
that "unlike most people money is not my problem"
you nevertheless crave to make more money

i.e.
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Where's my paycheck.
I'm only hear to make a profit.
I hate my courses because they're boring.
I'm only eager
to do good in them for money.


I'm in school
because
I want money
.
That's all I care about.
I chose a computer science
to get an internship
to get a job
to make money.
then
it seems you are blinkered to the obvious fact that
most people to whom money IS a problem
and who are DESPERATE for money to just put food on the table
are not greedy
but are simply understandably keen to make money as a consequence of sheer necessity
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Re: Virtue of being self-absorbed?

A minimum wage job provides plenty for one's necessities.
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A minimum wage job provides plenty for one's necessities.
For those who are living at home with parents
and who can say also because their parents have money
and I quote:
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Unlike most people, money isn't my problem.
but obviously you are aware that
for most people money IS a problem
clearly
the 1% are keen on promulgating the idea that

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A minimum wage job provides plenty for one's necessities.
when the fact is

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Self-preservation is all you need.
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Interdependent-Individualism is necessary for everyone's survival.
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