Help! Extreme laziness has colored my life :(

Jcoors

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Hi all,
I would very much appreciate any advice with this problem. I am 27 years old, just graduated from graduate school, and am having a lot of trouble moving forward in my life with making decisions and sticking to them. Since I hit puberty at the age of 12, I have mostly spent my time in my room doing nothing, playing video games or browing the web. Whenever I work, I feel a strong urge to stop doing it and become lazy again. It holds me back tremendously. My chart mentions lazy all over it, and warns against laziness as well. I post below the negative aspects and how they stack on each other. Other parts of my being, which also stack, indicate a strong moral probity -- and I know deep down that the way I'm living my life isn't proper. So these two are in deep conflict, and I don't really know the answer.
Thanks,
JC


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Moon 28°09' Gemini, in House VIII
Interpretation of the 28° Gemini symbolic degree

"Under a low grey sky, a flock of crows fly against the wind, and three dogs run in opposite directions."

Pluto 29°23' Libra, in House XII
Interpretation of the 29° Libra symbolic degree

"In a clearing, a man lying on a heap of clothes notices neither the sparrow hawk gliding above him, nor the wolf and the snake ready to attack."

Ascendant 5°45' Scorpio
Interpretation of the 5° Scorpio symbolic degree

"A nice and well-maintained garden. An uncultivated field with a donkey kicking."

The garden symbolises a humble, nice, and conscientious character. Attention to detail and persistence bring about success and notoriety in natural sciences, botany, or horticulture. One may give one's name to a new species of flower or fruit. The donkey warns against stubbornness, laziness, and whimsical behaviour. A strong Mercury in the natal chart offsets the danger of violence and ruin heralded by this degree.

Mercury 29°29' Leo, in House X
Interpretation of the 29° Leo symbolic degree

"A scrawny dog cries and shakes in fear in front of a man riding a horse."


Juno 10°36' Leo, in House X


Interpretation of the 10° Leo symbolic degree

"Two scantily dressed women are seated in the company of a man at a table where a sumptuous dinner is served."


Midheaven 10°18' Leo
Interpretation of the 10° Leo symbolic degree

"Two scantily dressed women are seated in the company of a man at a table where a sumptuous dinner is served."


Positions of Planets
Sun 3°03' Leo
Moon 28°09' Gemini
Mercury 29°29' Leo
Venus 14°03' Leo
Mars 19°22' Scorpio
Jupiter 4°59' Я Capricorn
Saturn 9°50' Scorpio
Uranus 9°46' Я Sagittarius
Neptune 29°11' Я Sagittarius
Pluto 29°23' Libra
Chiron 7°39' Gemini
Ceres 17°08' Taurus
Pallas 22°30' Я Pisces
Juno 10°36' Leo
Vesta 12°19' Leo
Node 5°04' Я Gemini
Lilith 15°08' Я Pisces
Fortune 0°51' Libra
AS 5°45' Scorpio
MC 10°18' Leo
°'
Planets in Houses*
Sun House 9
Moon House 8
Mercury House 10
Venus House 10
Mars House 1
Jupiter House 3
Saturn House 1
Uranus House 2
Neptune House 2
Pluto House 12
Chiron House 8
Ceres House 7
Pallas House 5
Juno House 10
Vesta House 10
Node House 8
Lilith House 5
Fortune House 11
* In keeping with the common practice, we consider that a planet posited within 3 degrees of the next house belongs to that house. We allow an orb of 4 degrees for the ASC and the MC.
Positions of Houses
House 1 5°45' Scorpio
House 2 4°38' Sagittarius
House 3 6°31' Capricorn
House 4 10°18' Aquarius
House 5 12°55' Pisces
House 6 11°36' Aries
House 7 5°45' Taurus
House 8 4°38' Gemini
House 9 6°31' Cancer
House 10 10°18' Leo
House 11 12°55' Virgo
House 12 11°36' Libra
House 13 °'
List of Aspects
Venus Conjunction MC Orb 3°45'
Saturn Conjunction AS Orb 4°04'
Jupiter Conjunction Neptune Orb 5°47'
Pluto Conjunction AS Orb 6°21'
Sun Conjunction MC Orb 7°14'
Mars Conjunction Saturn Orb 9°32'
Saturn Conjunction Pluto Orb 10°26
Moon Opposite Neptune Orb 1°01'
Moon Opposite Jupiter Orb 6°49'
Saturn Square MC Orb 0°27'
Sun Square AS Orb 2°42'
Sun Square Pluto Orb 3°39'
Venus Square Saturn Orb 4°12'
Venus Square Mars Orb 5°19'
Sun Square Saturn Orb 6°47'
Mercury Trine Neptune Orb 0°17'
Uranus Trine MC Orb 0°31'
Moon Trine Pluto Orb 1°14'
Venus Trine Uranus Orb 4°17'
Mercury Trine Jupiter Orb 5°29'
Sun Trine Uranus Orb 6°42'
Moon Trine AS Orb 7°36'
Mercury Sextile Pluto Orb 0°05'
Neptune Sextile Pluto Orb 0°12'
Jupiter Sextile AS Orb 0°46'
Moon Sextile Mercury Orb 1°19'
Jupiter Sextile Saturn Orb 4°51'
Jupiter Sextile Pluto Orb 5°35'
Sun Inconjunction Jupiter Orb 1°55'
Mars SemiSquare Jupiter Orb 0°36'
Moon SemiSquare Venus Orb 0°53'
Venus SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb 0°08'
Jupiter BiQuintile MC Orb 0°41'
Saturn SemiSextile Uranus Orb 0°04'

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Jcoors

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A couple of other things:

I have a terrible memory and terrible brain fog. It's hard for me to articulate things in person. This contributes hugely to my fear of breaking out of my shell.

Also, predictive astrology is also kind of against me in this transit:

08/24/2011 Aspect 07/25/1984 Orb/Value
Sun Conjunction Mercury 1.42 598
Sun Trine Neptune 1.34 96
Sun Sextile Pluto 1.22 145
Moon Sextile Mercury 1.16 232
Moon Opposition Neptune 1.24 -186
Moon Trine Pluto 1.36 80
Mercury Square Mars 0.05 -138
Venus Conjunction Mercury 3.51 369
Venus Trine Jupiter 2.06 88
Jupiter Opposition Saturn 0.27 -171
Saturn Sextile Venus 0.46 178
Uranus Trine Sun 1.04 113
Uranus Square Jupiter 1.13 -64
Neptune Opposition Mercury 0.26 -190
Neptune Sextile Neptune 0.18 74
Neptune Trine Pluto 0.06 30
Pluto Conjunction Jupiter 0.07 237
2240 -749 1491

(APPLIES FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS)
Challenging aspect: You may have problems concentrating at work. You could be distracted, even "deaf" to others, or inattentive. You may be dissipated and not apply yourself. Your professional life may suffer from such behavior. Hassles seem to abound now.


-171 Opposition Jupiter - Saturn

Negative aspect: Some re-structuring of your life and your business goals is now in order. You may be looking for new challenges, sometimes because you are forced to do so (because things are not going exactly as you had planned).

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bittermoon

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I am not at all familiar with Sabian symbols, but the first thing that caught my eye was your Scorpio Rising with Saturn conjunct the AC, which squares your Leo Sun.

The Saturn-AC conjunction can give you a lack of self-confidence, but also a good dose of self-discipline. What I am curious about is how it holds you back. Do you feel you 'have to' be 'productive' all the time (which could be tied into the expectations of 'others'), or do you want to do certain things and then don't find the enthusiasm or energy to actually do so?

I obviously do not know anything about you, but you mentioned you just graduated from graduate school. That doesn't really equate 'lazy' to me.
 
what happened age 4, did your father disappear? was there a female sibling born around then?

Saturn square sun shows a lack of rapport with father and highly colours your sun signs expressions making you more Cappi/Saturnian, plus having sun conj 10th house cusp naturally ruled by Cappi.

you do have 5 out of 10 in fire element showing drive, fire, enterprise, iniative. Jupiter is retrograde (going backwards) and a singleton this shows lack of need for socialising.

Scorpio Asc is a very very private sign and not that socialable either as it really doesn't want other people knowing it's business. BUT chart ruler pluto is in 12th showing a need for isolation, alone time to commune

Ruler of the First House in the Twelfth House
Your outlook on life can be brought into balance by spending some time alone to meditate and recharge your batteries.
Avoid becoming your own adversary by falling into the "woe is me" victim trap. Spiritual philosophies that go beyond traditional orthodox viewpoints can bring revealing insights into your life and the meaning of it all. You may identify somehow with large public institutions that provide a service to society, especially the helping professions.

http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr1
Sun square pluto is also problematic showing problems with father and assertive, dogmatic attitudes.

The energy radiated by these aspects is great, but it is charged with tension and can make those around feel very uneasy ‑ which is something that folk with a Sun‑Pluto conflict would do well to bear in mind. For even when they do not intend to be emphatic, they like to drive their point home just in case it might be overlooked. This is the reason for the poverty of the social life with these conflicts.
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

your prog sun is currently conj natal mercury making communications, details and analytical qualities to the for


you also have 5planets in first quadrant suggesting your inner focus is all about you, you you....coupled with fair amount of subjectivity

 

beginner

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do u like music or poetry? and what happened when ur progressed moon conjunct ur Natal rahu/north node 18 months ago?
 
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Kuntuzangmo

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I guess a few things stand out to me:

-Your natal NN is conjunct Chiron in 8th house. There is some wound that is embedded in that arena which you would find fulfillment (the 8th house).
-Transitting Pluto is spending time on your natal Jupiter, lord of the 2nd house. Pluto brings great transformation from the depths so I imagine you've been giving a great deal of thought and emotion to the issues of your resources. I imagine that also resource sources might come or fall away during this time. Whatever is left will be more long term. This aspect is also opposing your moon so again bringing doubts and inner conflict.
- Progressed Sun is conjunct natal Merc. in the 10th house which also trines the above aspect. Communications might be a clue as to how to get out of the confusion.
-Progessed Merc. is about to change house (into 11th)...so perhaps communications with groups is where you'll manifest?

What was your master's in?

I also don't get laziness in your chart. I think that there are times when we're supposed to be still, go inward and make deep changes. I think this is where you are. The shifts you make now will take you into the future so choose well, be honest with yourself...and try not to be so hard on yourself.
 

Rageypoo

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Well I guess ill out in my 2 cents since no one has.

U have a pluto square the sun. May want to look into that

interestingly enough, you have the same birthday as my ex who also has a pluto square sun, but in a different state. the charts are eerily similar, you have 3 grand squares and 1 grand cross, you shouldn't be lazy at all...

you have your moon in the same house as me, 8th house, you really rely on external resources don't you! but interestingly enough, chiron is in 8th...does someone take care of you?
 
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Jcoors

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Bittermoon: I do lack self confidence. I graduated from law school because it allowed my father to keep paying for my life/lifestyle and allowed me to be lazy and not make hard decisions about my life. Now this is coming home to roost. I find that I don't have a longterm perspective or direction, I can't plot my future and then stick with it, I start something because I know I have to get out of this laziness pit, but then I lose the motivation and fall back to where I started. Projects I get into I lose motivation toward quickly, even though I start out with good intentions and motivations.

Astrologer: my parents divorced around age 3-4, and I have a female sibling born at age 2.5. You write, "Saturn square sun shows a lack of rapport with father and highly colours your sun signs expressions making you more Cappi/Saturnian, plus having sun conj 10th house cusp naturally ruled by Cappi." Could you go into this more? My father has been a hugely dominating presence in my life. I do what he wants reluctantly and he pays for my life/lifestyle. I am terrified and believe somewhat that without his support I wouldn't be able to function properly in the world, at least partially because of my memory issues and the weird energies I give people that makes them not want to be around me.

I am very much into spirituality, astrology, etc. I do find a lot of hte time that it is all about me, me, me. That makes it harder to be in romantic relationships as well...

Beginner: I like music, not poetry, but I'm not hugely into either. I'm comfortable with whatever is playing most of the time.

Kunt: I just graduated from law school and my father is no longer supporting me financially for the first time in my life. I am struggling and flailing about with this, am indecisive, and can't really make decisions. The decisions I make I soon after want to undo.
 

Kuntuzangmo

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Bittermoon: I do lack self confidence. I graduated from law school because it allowed my father to keep paying for my life/lifestyle and allowed me to be lazy and not make hard decisions about my life. Now this is coming home to roost. I find that I don't have a longterm perspective or direction, I can't plot my future and then stick with it, I start something because I know I have to get out of this laziness pit, but then I lose the motivation and fall back to where I started. Projects I get into I lose motivation toward quickly, even though I start out with good intentions and motivations.

Astrologer: my parents divorced around age 3-4, and I have a female sibling born at age 2.5. You write, "Saturn square sun shows a lack of rapport with father and highly colours your sun signs expressions making you more Cappi/Saturnian, plus having sun conj 10th house cusp naturally ruled by Cappi." Could you go into this more? My father has been a hugely dominating presence in my life. I do what he wants reluctantly and he pays for my life/lifestyle. I am terrified and believe somewhat that without his support I wouldn't be able to function properly in the world, at least partially because of my memory issues and the weird energies I give people that makes them not want to be around me.

I am very much into spirituality, astrology, etc. I do find a lot of hte time that it is all about me, me, me. That makes it harder to be in romantic relationships as well...

Beginner: I like music, not poetry, but I'm not hugely into either. I'm comfortable with whatever is playing most of the time.

Kunt: I just graduated from law school and my father is no longer supporting me financially for the first time in my life. I am struggling and flailing about with this, am indecisive, and can't really make decisions. The decisions I make I soon after want to undo.

It's Kuntu, thx.
Well, I would suggest finding income by any means so you can pay your bills.
And being aware of your restlessness will also help. It will pass. Just have some trust and do what needs to be done. Some form of conscious relaxation and/or meditation will help to calm your busy mind and emotions.
 

Rageypoo

Well-known member
Bittermoon: I do lack self confidence. I graduated from law school because it allowed my father to keep paying for my life/lifestyle and allowed me to be lazy and not make hard decisions about my life. Now this is coming home to roost. I find that I don't have a longterm perspective or direction, I can't plot my future and then stick with it, I start something because I know I have to get out of this laziness pit, but then I lose the motivation and fall back to where I started. Projects I get into I lose motivation toward quickly, even though I start out with good intentions and motivations.

Astrologer: my parents divorced around age 3-4, and I have a female sibling born at age 2.5. You write, "Saturn square sun shows a lack of rapport with father and highly colours your sun signs expressions making you more Cappi/Saturnian, plus having sun conj 10th house cusp naturally ruled by Cappi." Could you go into this more? My father has been a hugely dominating presence in my life. I do what he wants reluctantly and he pays for my life/lifestyle. I am terrified and believe somewhat that without his support I wouldn't be able to function properly in the world, at least partially because of my memory issues and the weird energies I give people that makes them not want to be around me.

I am very much into spirituality, astrology, etc. I do find a lot of the time that it is all about me, me, me. That makes it harder to be in romantic relationships as well...

Beginner: I like music, not poetry, but I'm not hugely into either. I'm comfortable with whatever is playing most of the time.

Kunt: I just graduated from law school and my father is no longer supporting me financially for the first time in my life. I am struggling and flailing about with this, am indecisive, and can't really make decisions. The decisions I make I soon after want to undo.

*COUGH* pluto square sun...
 
yep, mentioned this in my post 4

pluto square sun shows problems with father again as well as sun square saturn..

When someone sun is receiving hard aspects from the outer planets, it tends to overshadow the sun's expressions, so sometimes you will shine being a Cappi/Saturn type and then other times you will be much more scorpion as your Asc ruler is pluto

The energy radiated by these aspects is great, but it is charged with tension and can make those around feel very uneasy ‑ which is something that folk with a Sun‑Pluto conflict would do well to bear in mind. For even when they do not intend to be emphatic, they like to drive their point home just in case it might be overlooked. This is the reason for the poverty of the social life with these conflicts.

additionally, jupiter is retrograde, going backwards, therefore looks inside for expansion not outside.

Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10

Jupiter Retrograde
* has doubts about what they deserve and so ...
* finds it easy to settle for crumbs
* feels superior in some way inside
* abundance is felt on the inside
* looks inside for answers to religious questions
 
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Rageypoo

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Sry Astrologer50, you always have so many links, it's hard to discern which one is a link note and which one is your discussion on the topic. (they are however helpful!)
 
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Sry Astrologer50, you always have so many links, it's hard to discern which one is a link note and which one is your discussion on the topic. (they are however helpful!)

you know most members are lazy and simply want the answers dropped in their laps without any effort of themselves. I try to dangle a carrot, with the attitude that if you give a man a fish you feed them for a day, BUT if you teach them how to fish you feed them forever...:whistling:

my signature says it all reallly
 

beginner

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A50 is a good teacher, she provides lots of link if u read them than they will be useful for u in future as wll..


Sry Astrologer50, you always have so many links, it's hard to discern which one is a link note and which one is your discussion on the topic. (they are however helpful!)
 
Well I guess ill out in my 2 cents since no one has.

U have a pluto square the sun. May want to look into that

interestingly enough, you have the same birthday as my ex who also has a pluto square sun, but in a different state. the charts are eerily similar, you have 3 grand squares and 1 grand cross, you shouldn't be lazy at all...

you have your moon in the same house as me, 8th house, you really rely on external resources don't you! but interestingly enough, chiron is in 8th...does someone take care of you?

So rather than suggest, let's go one further...

Natal chart aspects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-glyphs.php
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/planetsaspectsastrology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsreference.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssun.htm
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Sun_aspects
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Special:prefixindex/category:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.theastrologicalaspects.com/
http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/index.php

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house
 

Rageypoo

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His Astraea is in capricorn in 3rd house, interestingly enough, he may be stubborn to other forms of opinions and communications, and his need for respect could be keeping him from doing things that may otherwise make him look foolish, he may not take out advice at all o_O

but then again, jupiter does conjoin it and saturn sextiles, but vesta has a nice quincunx so perhaps he may only adhere to his fathers demands and not his friends.
 
His Astraea is in capricorn in 3rd house, interestingly enough, he may be stubborn to other forms of opinions and communications, and his need for respect could be keeping him from doing things that may otherwise make him look foolish, he may not take out advice at all o_O

but then again, jupiter does conjoin it and saturn sextiles, but vesta has a nice quincunx so perhaps he may only adhere to his fathers demands and not his friends.
ok I give in, is this 'another' spec if dust?

so in modern mainstream astrology let's look at capricorn ruling 3rd house and positing in 1st conj Asc.

Ruler of the Third House in the Third House
You have a strong desire to communicate your ideas, whether verbally or in written form and you may also be quite a talker. Something about your early childhood had a profound bearing your thinking and learning processes. This can also indicate that siblings, relatives and others in your immediate environment can play a very important role in your life. You'll get a lot of personal satisfaction from becoming involved with neighborhood and community projects because it's not in your best interest to seclude yourself away from social activities.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr3

now jupiter is within 5' of 3rd house cusp and is said to be more effective there, so next we look at how jupiter is aspected. the conjunction to neptune, suggests spiritual matters, faith, religion and poss being overgenerous to siblings & 3rd house issues.

Now what I have just noticed IS progressed mercury has turned retrograde. This IS important as it suggests he has progressed to becoming *less talkative* and more analytical and feels less need to communicate with people. Not only that it's in virgo - Virgp is a *worrier* and overanalyses things and churns them over and over......So what was once a happy go lucky outwardly focused chappie has evolved into an introvert who doesn't feel the need to socialise (jupier retrograde)

prog mars is now 2' Saggi and when it gets to 6' Saggi it will conj 2nd house cusp (Equal house) and this 'should herald' independence as Saggi, Aries and Aquarius are extremely independence biengs. It could also suggest earning money in Saggi 9th house matters like, law, the police, religion, long distance travel, teaching, philosphy the list goes on....

Neptune is tight opposition to moon, suggesting emotional disillusionment, connected to mother/women. Possibly smother loved or emotionally unavailable. As neptune is in the personal inner life sector of chart I expect that neptune to be felt as quite personal. Whereas I have this aspect with neptune 9 conj 10th and find it hard to 'personally' indentify with it..
 

Rageypoo

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wouldn't it be nice if the member came back and responded to our comments?? and gave us all some feedback


HAHA yes it would LOL

and yes, Astraea is another asteroid, some asteroids play a significant role in determining the chart, take ceres for example, it's almost as big as our moon, and look at the effect our moon has on us (our emotions are based on it for a reason) so I do like to look at all satellites within our solar system to help determine a more exact chart.


Even ancient astrology only used the personal planets, and although we have only just adopted Jovian planets in our chart reading, look at how much more profoundly accurate our readings have become ^_^
 
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