Hi Piercethevale.
There is a factor and need for swordplay, can we do it without abuse?
I would promote insight into religion, and sabian symbols, link below:-
http://www.sabiansymbols.com/
However, we only get to analysis by looking at a number of factors, and religious beliefs are one of these factors!
I would promote your link to penrose. most scientist's do with fractals...but science does change very often....our swordplay is needed...but softly, don't make it nasty....good arguements will hold water, but may change as science progresses!
We play Devil's advocate....so did the Catholic Religion of the 1500's, it is a game that has been played before, try to make it a polite swordplay!!
Being polite doesn't mean your point isn't registered!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate