Saturn challenges - finding career direction..

balefully

Well-known member
hi,

I'm posting my natal chart in hopes of getting some help and advice in handling the transists to gain relief in my financial sector and to look for a direction in my career department.

I'm running a home based business as a designer for many years. It started fairly well and lucrative but the recent years have been a great disappointment. Saturn Return is giving me too much unwelcome hurdles...hurtful relationships, health problems, family problems and fianncial constraint in both the earned and others houses are such a huge lack of. I understood the challenges are brought due to Saturn transiting my 6th, 7th and 8th house in these years.

I thought I have what it takes to be a self employed and with it started fairly great and well in the beginning phase, I have never thought of going back to be a salary earner. But with the accumulation of the upheavels in recent years and the aftermath, faith is shaken. I've lost the initial drive and passion now. I've surrendered in challenging myself and the cosmic influence and have started to look for jobs.

I've worked for others before I started my own home business and I know how badly I reacted when I have to work under others management system. I need to do many different tasks at the same time, I'm a perfectionist at work, a normadic by nature, and working under a systematic management and way of work is something I can't adapt to comfortably. I need to be constantly on the move mentally and physically to feel adequate and happy and a normal job is unable to give me that.

And I have a hard time finding my vocation and when I thought I've found it, the cosmic is telling me not. I've tried different nature of work before I decided to start my own home based business.

In these recent years, I've given it much thought what kind of work suits me best, based on my employment history, the types of work that I've tried are those that involved creativity, creating things from scratch, research work, intensive learning and opportunities to travel around. I can't find a job that gives me a platform to do all the above and the only way is being my own boss and running my own home business working in a style that suits me best. I was happy and contended at the beginning phase where I was passionately driven to make things work. However, I can't beat the cosmic influences and with all the problems that I've encountered these recent years, my strength and passion is being taken away.

I understood Saturn is a stern teacher. He will break you down to pieces and get you to rebuild the foundation again. He will force you to throw away unhealtly things that were not good for you. He will want you to learn how life is like a new born baby again. I wonder all these challenges that I've faced are telling me to give up everything and choose a new path(employment or career change) to better myself?

I hope someone can help me with taking a peek at my chart... is giving up my business and working for others the only way to gain financial stability? Is design my vocation? If I'm going to persist in tending my own home business, when will I able to start breathing better and more?



Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks greatly.
 

wilsontc

Staff member
Career, to bale

bale,

Since you have Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) conjunct (energy is combined with) Ascendant (self), you may be confused about yourself. With North node (future goals) focused in the 11th house (friends, also innovation, other people's self-expression) near the 12th house (spirituality, also confusion), you want to be innovative, but this may also be confusing at times. Since you have most of your planets on the right side of your chart, you are more focused on others than on yourself. Since more of your planets are in the bottom right of your chart, you are using what you know about your inner world to develop relationships with others.

In addition to transiting (planets in the sky) Saturn, you have had Pluto (transformation, also power) conjuncting your Ascendant (self), which has been transforming some of your confusion about yourself and helped you to see more clearly who you are. In addition you have transiting Uranus (friends, also restructuring) conjuncting your Nadir (inner world), which is causing you to restructure your inner sense of who you are and how you see yourself "inside."

As a result of all these changes you may becoming aware of your need for others in some way to work with in your innovations. Your challenge is to develop relationships and work with others. Since you have a T-square focused on Saturn (duty, also career, structure) conjunct Mars (being, also action) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also other people's values, power, control), there is an indication that you could actively develop your career if you become aware of other people's values and use that as a means of power and control. This suggests executive management possibilities.

You already know how to get along with your external customers...working in business is about getting along with your internal customers. You can do this and...as you are beginning to become aware, you may need to do this to fully develop your career power.

Careering,

Tim
 

Frisiangal

Well-known member
Hi,
Your last sentance....." the way to gain financial stability....is design my vocation?"... can refer to two totally different things. You can follow your vocation but it will not necessarily bring the financial stability. The T-square in your chart would seem to suggest this. I guess it's a question of which is most important to you.

Mercury, ruler of your MC in Virgo, is also in its 1st rulership in the 6th house of employment. It makes only the inbred positive aspects. I would translate this as meaning you have the gift of the gab to sell anyone the shirt off their backs if you put your mind to it, yet you are cautious (sextile Saturn) about their (8th house), as opposed to your own, liabilities and expenditure. You can also listen to what other people dictate (trine Pluto), providing your ideas are listened to as well, so there is no reason or problem that you cannot work with others in an harmonious environment. Yet that same Mercury makes no aspect with your full creative 5th house, even in its retrograde stage, through Taurus. Maybe it's no coincidence that, progressed, it has now turned direct in your 6th house as you contemplate which direction you should take. But it aspects nothing in your chart at this stage, yet work and career-wise it DOES seek the stability of a regular income that Taurus builds upon. Once it moves back into its own sign again, you can make the change in flexible work/career again.

With Sagittarius on the Ascendant conjunct Neptune, you are an idealistic dreamer......as are so many from the Neptune in Sag. generation. With its ruler Jupiter in Taurus conjunct your Sun in the 5th house, your ideals can find an outlet and be given form through your creative talent. But the only aspect Sun-Jupiter makes is the opposition to Uranus, and Saturn's inconjunct to Neptune. Sun rules 9th house of ideals, Neptune rules 4th house. This would seem to concur with what you have been doing at home, but Taurus is a bit of a stick-in-the-mud for safety, whilst Neptune in Sag. is boundless in following its dream. Neither rules the 2nd house of a fixed income!!

Following your idealistic dreams when you were younger was a natural course. Moon opposes retrograde Neptune. Moon also trines retrograde Pluto which sextiles Neptune. You must have felt that this is what you were born to do and placed on this Earth for. Making money may never have entered your head at that time. You were simply expressing your youthful highest ideals. But as responsibilities arise, inspirational ideal becomes financial talent.... and that isn't the domain of Neptune.

Your Sun-Jupiter oppose Uranus. The problem with Uranus is that it is all about trends of the moment. If you try to turn a trend into an establised order, you can expect trouble. You can't be independent whilst wanting security and doing the same thing all the time. Uranus doesn't work that way, nor should your creative side! Uranus does not aspect your Neptune. If your designing talent does not meet with the trend of to-day, it cannot help you change it to do so. Taurus has difficulty with any kind of change but your Sun does aspect Uranus. It's as if something in you is saying, "You can change ( your style) if you want to. No one is stopping you except your own stubborn side that can be just as adamant towards its independence as it is about expressing its creative talent."( I'm a Taurean Sun, so I'm allowed to say that! :D ).
If you are STILL living under the influence of your natal Moon in Gemini only, you will need the flexibility it implies. But your secondary progressed Moon has been under influence of Cancer and Saturn. The 'child' and its dreams that did not need to worry about responsibiilty and finances, have no place in a world that no longer has any need of them, now that adulthood has taken over. That same flexibility also within your progressed Sun has to be prepared to undergo a change as well.....especially if one has become inflexible! Gemini needs to beathe in AND out. :wink:

Your progressed chart, with Progr. Sun opposing Neptune, would seem to indicate that you will make a career change, in spite of the current inner struggle against releasing your dreams. You can find and draw upon your inspirational side again and it will turn out a lot better than you can, at present, imagine. With your full 5th house, what's to stop you turning your vocation into a paying hobby? Stop fighting against change and go with it. It's the way the world turns :)

F.
 

balefully

Well-known member
wilsontc and Frisangel,

Thank you for the help, what you have shared means alot to me. It helps me to gain more self awareness and understanding the challenges that I have to face and overcome.

I might be wrong but the life lessons that I have went through and going through have brought forward an attitude that I should stopped being "WHO I WANT TO BE" and work with "WHO I AM" instead. Natal astrology has certainly helps me to understand more of my natal set up and gradually learning to work with what I have than being who I want. Your sharing of knowledge has certainly helps me alot.

wilsontc wrote:

Since you have Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) conjunct (energy is combined with) Ascendant (self), you may be confused about yourself. With North node (future goals) focused in the 11th house (friends, also innovation, other people's self-expression) near the 12th house (spirituality, also confusion), you want to be innovative, but this may also be confusing at times.

In addition to transiting (planets in the sky) Saturn, you have had Pluto (transformation, also power) conjuncting your Ascendant (self), which has been transforming some of your confusion about yourself and helped you to see more clearly who you are.

Right on. Life changed completely when tPluto hits my 1st house in 1995. I fought with chronic depression and anorexia since 1996 which follows by bulimia and alcohol addiction. It took me nearly 7 years to recover from eating disorder and I've not drank more than I should for the past 4 years. I don't think I've fully recovered from depression but the involvement in creative projects provides a constructive outlet to the negative energies which helps me to keep depression under control. I fought all these battles without the help of drugs, therapies or doctors.

I am constantly confused of WHO AM I and WHAT I WANT? This confusion leads me to astrology learning. I tried to understand my natal chart, the innate character I was born with, the life journey I need to go through, the challenges I need to face in this life time...

If my kindergarten standard of astrology knowledge is properly acquired, Neptune at my Asc is the "creative director" of all these emotional drama that I set myself in and Pluto is the "scriptwriter". With Saturn Returning, it plays the role of a "paying client" who jumps in to ask for a sudden change of script but Neptune, the "creative director", abhoc the requests which goes against his creative ideals. While Pluto understands the fundamental rule of "Customer is always right" and alter the script as requested despite the changes are abrupt and against the normal flow. :lol:

wilsontc wrote:

Since you have most of your planets on the right side of your chart, you are more focused on others than on yourself. Since more of your planets are in the bottom right of your chart, you are using what you know about your inner world to develop relationships with others.

In addition you have transiting Uranus (friends, also restructuring) conjuncting your Nadir (inner world), which is causing you to restructure your inner sense of who you are and how you see yourself "inside."


Right on again. I was more focused on others than on myself but I have gradually set up a strong wall to protect myself in these 3-4 years. Before that, I was very emotionally involved with others problems and took theirs as my own. My focuses were towards others and have neglected my own inner needs and wants. Slipped into depression and self blamed when I can't entail the responsibilities of others and helped them as much as I want. I have to take brief periods of retreat to shut off the outside world to recharge my psychic batteries whenever I feel zapped.

Till a few traumatic incidents exploded one after another on me, to a stage that I felt so exhausted by being the pillar of everyone and not to myself, I feel so sicken with the injustices and deceptions in the reality, since then I have become overtly conscious with the needs to protect myself from the interaction with people in real life.

It is natal astrology that helps me to find out why I do feel this way and helps to blast that alarm whenever I habitually stick my head in the cloud, but understanding and accepting is two different things. Accepting it and performing it is another. :lol: And being aware of my tendency to falling into illusions, I am sometimes confused of what I feel, think and see is what it supposed to be in reality, or is my Nep/Moon calling their shots again. :lol

wilsontc wrote:
As a result of all these changes you may becoming aware of your need for others in some way to work with in your innovations. Your challenge is to develop relationships and work with others. Since you have a T-square focused on Saturn (duty, also career, structure) conjunct Mars (being, also action) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also other people's values, power, control), there is an indication that you could actively develop your career if you become aware of other people's values and use that as a means of power and control. This suggests executive management possibilities.

The T-square in my chart with nSaturn and nMars placement in the 8th is one part that I have yet to understand completely. I've been trying to understand what the T-square's challenge is and how to work with the nSaturn and nCancer energies.

Based on what I have understood so far.. Saturn wants structure and control but Mars wants spur actions. Them are in conflicts and in Cancer(detriment), which make the duet worst. The attention and action is short burst and inconsistent. I've yet to comprehend how to work with them under the 8th house placement. You've mentioned I will work at my best by managing others and their resources and use that as a form of power and control. But I have always thought the tough lessons that happened on me are telling me to stay away from any kinds of partnerships or building deep relationships with others. :? It is due to relationships with others and partnerships that have zapped up my inner resources.

I do desire power and control but I can't bring myself to exert that control and power on others unless I'm dealing with extreme bullies who attacked the weaker. In partnerships, I tend to give in a lot and being taken advantage of and it put me under great emotional pressures when I know I should stand up for myself but I didn't.

I have always thought that since nSaturn and nMars in Cancer(detriment), in 8th house of joint resources, partnerships... this will be the area that I'm worst in and should stay away from. Is the logic being, since I'm natively weak in the 8th house, the only way to work around the restricting and faint energies are to draw in helps from others in this area? And that will help to ease the tension of nSaturn as it is the 2nd house ruler. The advice is… based on my chart’s energies and challenges, I'll be better off if I work for others in a management position than tending my own home based design business. Simply, I won’t be a rich and good designer, but I can be a rich and good manager? Is my understanding of this right on track? 

Frisiangel wrote:
Your last sentance....." the way to gain financial stability....is design my vocation?"... can refer to two totally different things. You can follow your vocation but it will not necessarily bring the financial stability. The T-square in your chart would seem to suggest this. I guess it's a question of which is most important to you.

The T-square in my chart indicates that I have to choose between passion and reality in this life time. It indicates that I will be earning a living doing something that don't fully feed my idealistic soul and passion but brings me security and fulfilment in other areas of life. Or I could choose to get involved in work that coincides with my passion but have to bear with the financial insecurities and instabilities. This is due to the square with Uranus in my 11th house of ideals, hopes and 5th house of passion. Do I understand this point the way you meant?


Frisiangel wrote:
Mercury, ruler of your MC in Virgo, is also in its 1st rulership in the 6th house of employment. It makes only the inbred positive aspects. I would translate this as meaning you have the gift of the gab to sell anyone the shirt off their backs if you put your mind to it, yet you are cautious (sextile Saturn) about their (8th house), as opposed to your own, liabilities and expenditure.

I have never thought of or am aware of my strength in convincing speech. My kindergarden level of understanding is only on the area of how important communication is to me with this mercury placement which I can relate to strongly. I got frustrated when I can't bring my message acrossed in the way I intended and I have thought that it is due to my weakness in communicating verbally

When you have pointed the Sextile Saturn influence out, on reflection and self examination, it feels so right! As I'm running my own home based business, I've to meet up with clients and often, instead of selling them my services, I end up telling them they don't need what I'm selling :oops: when I met clients whom I know won't benefit much by investing in my work or I'll feel for clients with low budget allocation but knowing they will benefit much with my work, I'll willingly charge them much much lower rate but give them much more than they paid. On top of that, I dislike handling business from friends as I don't feel good by charging them and yet, at the same time, I am building strong awareness of taking care of my own needs which logically I know I should charged but emotionally is reluctant to. :?

Frisiangel wrote:

You can also listen to what other people dictate (trine Pluto), providing your ideas are listened to as well, so there is no reason or problem that you cannot work with others in an harmonious environment. Yet that same Mercury makes no aspect with your full creative 5th house, even in its retrograde stage, through Taurus. Maybe it's no coincidence that, progressed, it has now turned direct in your 6th house as you contemplate which direction you should take. But it aspects nothing in your chart at this stage, yet work and career-wise it DOES seek the stability of a regular income that Taurus builds upon. Once it moves back into its own sign again, you can make the change in flexible work/career again.

With indication of nMercury(6th House employment) trine nPluto(10th) and not making any aspect in my full creative 5th house, it means it shows favourable strength in employment that deals more with communication than design work?

I've checked my progressed chart and pMercury will only be back into its sign in 2015! :roll: That will be a better time when I'll have built up enough resources and stability to pursue dreams and ideal career/work? 9 years from now is such a long wait……….

Frisiangel wrote:

With Sagittarius on the Ascendant conjunct Neptune, you are an idealistic dreamer......as are so many from the Neptune in Sag. generation. With its ruler Jupiter in Taurus conjunct your Sun in the 5th house, your ideals can find an outlet and be given form through your creative talent. But the only aspect Sun-Jupiter makes is the opposition to Uranus, and Saturn's inconjunct to Neptune. Sun rules 9th house of ideals, Neptune rules 4th house. This would seem to concur with what you have been doing at home, but Taurus is a bit of a stick-in-the-mud for safety, whilst Neptune in Sag. is boundless in following its dream. Neither rules the 2nd house of a fixed income!!

:lol: Right, I'm always caught in between both. Taurus wants securities, Sag wants Freedom. Neither am I able to learn fully towards Sag nor Taurus. I always feel that, if only I can choose my own sign, I'll want sun and rising of the same sign! :lol:

Frisisangel wrote:

Following your idealistic dreams when you were younger was a natural course. Moon opposes retrograde Neptune. Moon also trines retrograde Pluto which sextiles Neptune. You must have felt that this is what you were born to do and placed on this Earth for. Making money may never have entered your head at that time. You were simply expressing your youthful highest ideals. But as responsibilities arise, inspirational ideal becomes financial talent.... and that isn't the domain of Neptune.

Right on! 100%! :lol: I used to think that I am a creative radical and I NEED and only will WANT to get jobs that I can innovate, create, build and destroy! I have never worried about the future nor worried about making money and NOT that I need not to, but I was headed by passion and ideals more than anything else. :lol Especially after I chanced natal astrology, gained some basic knowledge of my natal chart, and I thought oh boy! Look at that 5th house with Jupiter, Sun and Venus! I’m born to be a creative radical! :lol:

I do understand that with Jupiter, Sun and Venus in 5th display great potential of creativity but that is without consideration of the aspects. With the squares and opposition going on with Saturn, Mars and Uranus, does my 5th house has as much power as it supposed to be? Or, the aspects have already taken away the power and ability of creativity?


Frisiangel wrote:
Your Sun-Jupiter oppose Uranus. The problem with Uranus is that it is all about trends of the moment. If you try to turn a trend into an established order, you can expect trouble. You can't be independent whilst wanting security and doing the same thing all the time. Uranus doesn't work that way, nor should your creative side! Uranus does not aspect your Neptune. If your designing talent does not meet with the trend of to-day, it cannot help you change it to do so. Taurus has difficulty with any kind of change but your Sun does aspect Uranus. It's as if something in you is saying, "You can change (your style) if you want to. No one is stopping you except your own stubborn side that can be just as adamant towards its independence as it is about expressing its creative talent."( I'm a Taurean Sun, so I'm allowed to say that! ).

Thanks! Thanks for pointing out the Sun-Jupiter oppose Uranus influence in my chart! What you have wrote in this particular paragraph has hit a nail without a slight miss. There are many factors in business that I know I NEED to change, but for some emotional and ego :oops: reasons, I'm so reluctant to make the necessary changes. I'm using the same fomula everytime hoping the results will be different! The tug war between optimistic and idealistic Sagittarian and the realistic and practical Taurean. Apparently, I'll end up staying in the same spot, thinking(Gem) and weighing the options available from two different poles and not making a single step towards any sides at all. I was so frustrated with myself all the time and now with you identifying the influences, it helps me to understand the source of this frustration. And with this .. Uranus does not aspect your Neptune. If your designing talent does not meet with the trend of to-day, it cannot help you change it to do so. perhaps I'm reading into it too much, does it shows tell tale signs that the current design business method I adopted is not very much to meet the market demand?

Your progressed chart, with Progr. Sun opposing Neptune, would seem to indicate that you will make a career change, in spite of the current inner struggle against releasing your dreams. You can find and draw upon your inspirational side again and it will turn out a lot better than you can, at present, imagine. With your full 5th house, what's to stop you turning your vocation into a paying hobby? Stop fighting against change and go with it. It's the way the world turns

I'm double guessing my understanding on the above… the pSun opposing Nep influence… will turn me into a direction that I’ll abandoned my home based design business and walk into an employee status in a different field? Even with my full 5th house, they will bring me pleasure as leisure activities more than money making opportunities?

Thanks with Luv,
bale
 

wilsontc

Staff member
Challenges

bale,

You asked:
I have always thought that since nSaturn and nMars in Cancer(detriment), in 8th house of joint resources, partnerships... this will be the area that I'm worst in and should stay away from. Is the logic being, since I'm natively weak in the 8th house, the only way to work around the restricting and faint energies are to draw in helps from others in this area?...The advice is… based on my chart’s energies and challenges, I'll be better off if I work for others in a management position than tending my own home based design business. Simply, I won’t be a rich and good designer, but I can be a rich and good manager? Is my understanding of this right on track?

In my opinion, if challenging energy is focused on in our chart (particulary by planetary aspect patterns), we HAVE to handle it in some way! "Avoiding" the problem simply makes it come up in different ways. Let's look at it this way - T-square focusing on:
Structure/restriction (Saturn) + action (Mars) + power focus (8th house)

This clearly could go two different ways:
1 - powerful actions could be restricted
2 - powerful actions could be structured

I suggest going with the "structured" approach. Since, as you mention, this power has to do with "joint resources" or, in other words, what you have AFTER you have a relationship with someone, I suggest that, in a business context your "relationships" are those you work with and the power that comes out of it is a result FROM those relationships. Since Saturn also has to do with authority, it seems reasonable that this could lead to some type of "mangerial authority" over those you work with or even those you work for.

This energy would most likely be very simple to understand and use if this energy weren't all in Cancer (home, also emotions), which causes challenges to the energies of Saturn and Mars (as you mentioned). But the powerful energy focus IS there if you can "work" your way past Cancer issues. And THAT means handling emotional issues, using your emotions as a way of being "sensitive" to problems without becoming "overemotional" about them. This is an issue you have to face whether you have a home-based business or work for someone else...structuring your actions and emotions is key to being able to develop your career (Saturn) potential.

Most likely you already realize this and have been, in some way or another, gradually testing yourself emotionally, working on building your emotional structure (Cancer modifying Saturn) in your career, in your business. But perhaps now it is time to get these gradual realizations in front of you, use your new-found clearness about what needs to be done, and WORK on overcoming this 8th house issue and getting at your power trapped away inside. The T-square promises a LOT of power, but, as with all things powerful, you have to earn it before you get it! ;)

Powerfully,

Tim
 

Kite

Well-known member
Balefuly,

My take is that you are ping-ponging back and forth between your North and South Node with that Mars/Saturn square acting as the net. I'm going to give you the Sabian readings for those positions and see if it resonates with you. For the South Node it is conjunct your Sun (ruler of your 9th house of adventure) and your Jupiter (ruler of your 1st house of beingness). I'm deliberately skewing the meaning towards your story and the fire signs involved. The South Node Sabian degree is 13 Taurus and it reads:

43__(13°)
A PORTER IS CHEERFULLY BALANCING A MOUNTAIN OF BAGGAGE Joy of effort put forth. Faith in the eventual results of a simple plunging ahead in things. Extreme of self-reliance.
___*When positive, the degree is an effective self-competence and virility of interest in normal living, and when negative, a dissipation of selfhood and a depreciation of all ambition through the performance of drudgery without protest.

The South Node is where we feel very comfortable and where we tend to fall back in life as opposed to the North Node, where we want to reach new horizons this time around. Your North Node Sabian reads:

223__(13°)
IN AN IMPROVISED LABORATORY AN INVENTOR IN NEAR SUCCESS Driving power toward achievement, as featured in all benefactors of mankind. Self-sufficient activity. Clever outwitting.
___*When positive, the degree is a capacity for accomplishment beyond all normal expectation, and when negative, a superficial dawdling over things to be done and futile dreams of great genius.

Now I mentioned a ping-pong effect. That's because your North Node sits in the middle of a Yod that is formed by Neptune (ruler of your 4th house of home) and Pluto (ruler of your 12th house of behind the scenes in Scorpio which means business) focusing on that Sun/Jupiter/South Node conjunction. This is a major push for the home business BUT it's tied up with the Taurus South Node and Sun/Jupiter. I have the South Node in Taurus also and many times I think it denotes survival at it most basic level. With Sun/Jupiter there, I would read feeling a little over-optimistic in making it all work.

That's where the t-square comes in. Your reaction to intepreting the apex in 8th and driving you towards partnerships is not surprising to me. I view t-squares like a three-legged chair. In order for the chair to stand it needs a fourth leg so that's where the energies get focused. In your case the fourth leg is opposite the midpoint between your Mars/Saturn conjunction which is 25 Capricorn in the 2nd house. The Sabian reads:

295__(25°)
LITTLE BOYS FROLIC UPON SOFT RUGS IN AN ORIENTAL STORE First realization of cultural values through sensuous enjoyment. Refinement of sensations. Psychological enrichment.
___*When positive, the degree is an effective employment of the facilities and goods of a modern society, and when negative, concern over trivialities.

I'm not sure what you design but there is something in this Sabian that speaks to me that it relates to what you do get involved in.

So interpret this as maybe a little of the starving artist syndrome..sort of a need to suffer to create the brilliant work. With that North Node in the 11th house of firends and community, conjunct Uranus which rules your 3rd house of routine, communication, competition and also part of that previous t-square, I think you may want to involve others in your business but more as associates..not partners. Mercury in Gemini is the final depositor of the chart, in Gemini and in 6. It sextiles the Mars/Saturn conjunction and trines Pluto. Maybe some kind of co-op would work for you.

That Sabian position of Gemini perhaps offers a clue:

62__(2°)
SANTA CLAUS IS FURTIVELY FILLING CHRISTMAS STOCKINGS The natural beneficence in any normal human heart. Alertness to the wishes of others; the often hidden pride of benefactors.
___*When positive, the degree is an unusual capacity for bringing man's possessions into a wide acceptance and for heightening every proper joy in worldly goods, and when negative, a childish or clandestine futility in seeking any normal richness of living.

Kite
 
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