Is this permanent, or will it get better?

[Neptune Rising]

Hi

Can anyone help with this chart? I'm a stereotypical Capricorn Sun with problem with the knees. I've been going though alot of structural re-balancing lately, but the knees are not fixing themselves. I am very worried that its a permanent problem that will get worse.

I asked if its a permanent problem or will I be able to fix it.

I don't know what area of the chart rules the knees.

I am Jupiter

Just moved into Gemini, in detriment in the 6th house. Not the best placement for Jupiter at all. Jupiter is mutable, maybe that is better than being fixed.

Moon is moving to square Mercury, and Mercury rules Jupiter, so that doesn't look good either. Though, Mercury in Cancer is in Jupiter's exhaltation and terms. I don't know if that is someone that I know, I am seeing a physiotherapist, it could be him?

I don't know how else to read the chart, but I see the final aspect is Moon opposed Saturn. Saturn up in the 10th house and the Moon opposed doesn't look good at all. Saturn rules the bones, structure of the body and is prominent and retrograde in the chart.

Thanks for looking



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[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-10th house has affinity for knees
-notice inflammatory Mars posited there
-also the Part of Fortune is there, indicating potential positive changes
-lord of the 10th house, Mercury, is in the 8th-indication of a possibly more chronic condition
-querent significator Jupiter just entered 7th house (house of "known enemies", ie, one could look at the knee condition as a "known enemy"!), SN is there, and Jupiter is in its detriment in Gemini (and note that this house, the 7th, is also under Mercury, posited in the 8th)
-significator Mercury in the 8th house under Cancer, indicates problems arising
a) from cold and damp conditions
b) from excess Water element
c) being both in the 8th and in Cancer, hormonal affinities could well be playing a role
-Mercury's dispositor is the Moon which is
a) in turn disposited by Mars (up in the 10th-knee affinitive-house), thus inflammatory tendencies
b) conjunct Uranus, showing periodical manifestations (and involving the neuro electric system as well)
c) both Moon and Uranus in Aries (inflammation again)
-note that the Lot of Chronic Illness (night formula ascendant+saturn-mars) falls @ 16 Capricorn, and that Capricorn is the traditional SIGN FOR THE KNEES! Also note Pluto there (possibly indicating an eruption of deep tendencies in this area of the anatomy), and that inflammatory Mars flows toward the Lot as well (and that the Lots significator Saturn retrogrades back toward inflammatory Mars)
-Venus is the lord of the 6th house (potential health problems): note that Venus is in the 7th house under Gemini (and headed by retrograde toward the SN) and is therefore also disposited by Mercury, with all of the Mercury connections and ramifications, mentioned above.

In my opinion the horary indicates more of a chronic, drawn out affair but with much hope of overcoming the problem: lucky strike NN is in the ascending sign, and both the 10th and 7th houses are under mutable signs (indicating potential for change and that could well mean potential for reversal of the chronic trend)

[Neptune Rising]

Thank you so much Dr Farr. Do you think, with the Mars inflammatory, it could be arthritis in the knees? Osteo that is, not rheumatoid? I have two ideas, it may either be arthritis, or chrondmalacia, as the symptoms are very similar. The thing is, chrondmalacia may be able to be fixed, I think there's more hope of fixing that than arthritis. I am going to call the dr today and see if they can test me, or get my physiotherapist to refer me for an xray.

I am wondering what the excess Water element came from, that would be Khapa? Its interesting what you mentioned about the nervous system, perhaps I should meditate a bit more to bring some calm to the body and enable it to heal. The Pluto there is interesting, the problem comes from deep within the knee, at least that's how it feels. But also I'm sure its based psychologically as my own need to be more flexible with life.

Dr Farr, do you think this chart would hold all the information that I need for this problem? Or should I create a chart asking, "how can I heal this"?

[anoop.indirapuramghazibad]

Its Sagittarius Asc. and its Lord is in 6th house, with Venus (Lord of 11th house too) is Retro. at the time of this question.
1. you may get 1st relief when Venus will be direct, but major relief when Venus will be in new sign as well Jupiter in the next house. (Long term process may consume a year)
2. Knee region - a falling planet Saturn is placed. Will stop falling after 25.6.2012. That's important. will be Direct after that, so, it can support after that.
My observations are positive,
3. But may come back at any stage, because of the Retro behavior of 2 important planets. (I wish, I am wrong in my 3rd no. observation.)

[dr. farr]

Elementally the chart indicates (in ayurvedic terms) a fundamental Kapha imbalance, therefore corrective elements would be Vata+Pitta (foods, herbs, stones, etc)

The Lot of Medicine falls @ 5 Capricorn-so this would indicate that specific measuresw/remedies for the knee, plus remedies in general for connective tissue (Capricorn disposited by Saturn, Saturn affinitive to connective tissue) would be required; further Capricorn is affinitive to the parathyroid, which in turn has to do with calcium metabolism and the fixation of calcium in connective tissues: so definitely remedies aimed at calcium metabolism, joints/bones.

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by anoop.indirapuramghazibad

Its Sagittarius Asc. and its Lord is in 6th house, with Venus (Lord of 11th house too) is Retro. at the time of this question.
1. you may get 1st relief when Venus will be direct, but major relief when Venus will be in new sign as well Jupiter in the next house. (Long term process may consume a year)
2. Knee region - a falling planet Saturn is placed. Will stop falling after 25.6.2012. That's important. will be Direct after that, so, it can support after that.
My observations are positive,
3. But may come back at any stage, because of the Retro behavior of 2 important planets. (I wish, I am wrong in my 3rd no. observation.)

Thank you, Anoop! I do hope so as point 2. I will let you know after Venus goes direct if it eases off a bit.


At the moment, it seems even worse than before, something has aggravated the left knee. It feels like its 'sticking' which makes me agree with Dr Farr, that it is connective tissues related. Which makes me think its chrondomalacia, which is better than the other option! I believe its also related to the quadriceps muscles, as when I flex the hip (lift the thighs) I feel it in the knee (they hold the patella (knee cap) within their tendon.

Now I just got to figure out how to fix it, if I can.

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Elementally the chart indicates (in ayurvedic terms) a fundamental Kapha imbalance, therefore corrective elements would be Vata+Pitta (foods, herbs, stones, etc)

The Lot of Medicine falls @ 5 Capricorn-so this would indicate that specific measuresw/remedies for the knee, plus remedies in general for connective tissue (Capricorn disposited by Saturn, Saturn affinitive to connective tissue) would be required; further Capricorn is affinitive to the parathyroid, which in turn has to do with calcium metabolism and the fixation of calcium in connective tissues: so definitely remedies aimed at calcium metabolism, joints/bones.

Interesting! Thank you Dr Farr! I'll read up about the Ayurvedic elements. I do wonder, here in the UK we've been lacking alot of Sun this past 6 months. Perhaps that has something to do with calcium absorption. I've been feeling quite low lately as well, which can also be the Vitamin D lack, and may contribute to excess Kapha.

I'm taking a supplement, not sure if I can name it but it is for connective tissue. Hopefully that may help.

Today its quite bad, I think the left knee is also swollen a bit and its difficult to bring the left leg completely straight. I suspect this is also something to do with the fact the south node is currently travelling through my 6th house. So much health and structural issues have come up since the start of this transit (natal), but it has given me the chance to finally work through and heal most of these issues, and re-balance my body.

[dr. farr]

Try applying homeopathic ointments to the affected area-try Zeel or Traumeel ointments (manufactured by the German firm Heel) Can't hurt, might help to a certain extent...

[Neptune Rising]

Just a little update, it is better than it was. Still hurts but not as much. I went to see my physiotherapist last week, he feels it is not arthritis, but probably the tracking was off, which is how the kneecap slides up and down inside its tendon when the legs bend and straighten, which is causing the connective tissue (cartilage) beneath the patella (kneecap) to wear and tear. It could have happened when one of the quads is stonger than the rest. It could also be because of anothe reason, due to posture. A bit similar to chrondmalacia, but the therapist didn't give it that name - he didnt' give it any name. I am now aware of how to correct the tracking by adjusting the feet/legs placements when walking, standing and practicing yoga ect, taking Glucosamine and other vitamin supplaments (minus the artifical sugars). I've been researching, the connective tissue can grow back, albeit slowly, so there is some hope.

[Caro]

This is just a suggestion and sent with good intentions.

You may wish to look into Cranial Sacral therapy. It works on the principle that our birth and circumstances around it(much like astrology and the natal chart) is an indicator of how are health is in later life.

You may find it useful with the other therapies you try. .

the only issue I would say is that at times the therapy seems very slow but this depends on the nature of the problem used!

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Caro, I may investigate that at some point.

I think I have figured out what was going wrong previously, which did my knees in. Unfortunately, I didn't know better at the time, and some teachers instructed me to turn my feet in a certain way during yoga practice, not accounting for the fact that not everyone's feet are totally in line with their shins. Sounds very technical but unfortunately, there are some teachers out there who don't know about this, and years of incorrect alignment causes wear and tear on the joints and tissues. I learned the hard way, but its great as its taught me alot about anatomical alignment which I didn't learn through my teacher training courses.

Its feeling better though, which is great! I'm hopeful it'll continue!

Thanks all for your help!